Rating Our Draft

[gimpy]

Said (not necessarily by you) every goldarn year from here to eternity. If you believe this board, there's NEVER a good QB class with good enough options.

"goldarn"... Haven't heard that word in years.

 

[Mitch]

Said (not necessarily by you) every goldarn year from here to eternity. If you believe this board, there's NEVER a good QB class with good enough options.

It's a great point, Stout.

I really liked the idea of drafting Dodds and/or Beathard in the 3rd round. We could have had Dobbs, but SF took Beathard prior to #98.

Dobbs has some special qualities, one being superb deep ball accuracy, another being his mobility.

At some point, the Cardinals will have to draft a QB and do it with a sense of confidence and commitment.

 

[BigRedRage]

#1: Who? You can say you're confident we can get a quality vet next year if needed (and it will be), but that doesn't make it so. I can say my crap is purple and tastes like rainbow sherbet. Will you just blindly believe that and take a taste?

#2: We need more than a game manager QB if we have any ambition of winning anything substantial. It is, without question, a QB-driven league.

#3: Except the current approach has been the approach FOR YEARS. Doing the same thing year after year without yielding results is the definition of insanity. We don't even TRY to address the issue at THE most important position on the team. It's truly galling.

I don't necessarily disagree with you about this year's draft and the QBs available. My problem is that this is a culmination of years of failure and futility by the team.

There are several QBs who should be availab

#1: Who? You can say you're confident we can get a quality vet next year if needed (and it will be), but that doesn't make it so. I can say my crap is purple and tastes like rainbow sherbet. Will you just blindly believe that and take a taste?

#2: We need more than a game manager QB if we have any ambition of winning anything substantial. It is, without question, a QB-driven league.

#3: Except the current approach has been the approach FOR YEARS. Doing the same thing year after year without yielding results is the definition of insanity. We don't even TRY to address the issue at THE most important position on the team. It's truly galling.

I don't necessarily disagree with you about this year's draft and the QBs available. My problem is that this is a culmination of years of failure and futility by the team.

FA QB next year as of now:

Drew Brees QB 38 NO TBD $24,250,000 UFA -
Kirk Cousins QB 28 WAS TBD $23,943,600 UFA Market Value
Sam Bradford QB 29 MIN TBD $18,000,000 UFA -
Matthew Stafford QB 29 DET TBD $17,666,667 UFA Market Value
Josh McCown QB 37 NYJ TBD $6,000,000 UFA -
Chad Henne QB 31 JAC TBD $3,500,000 UFA -
Drew Stanton QB 32 ARI TBD $3,250,000 UFA -
Derek Anderson QB 33 CAR TBD $2,350,000 UFA -
Mark Sanchez QB 30 CHI TBD $2,000,000 UFA -
Case Keenum QB 29 MIN TBD $2,000,000 UFA -
Brandon Weeden QB 33 HOU TBD $2,000,000 UFA -
Ryan Griffin QB 27 TB TBD $1,797,000 UFA -
Matt Moore QB 32 MIA TBD $1,775,000 UFA -
Scott Tolzien QB 29 IND TBD $1,750,000 UFA -
Teddy Bridgewater QB 25 MIN TBD $1,712,376 UFA -
Derek Carr QB 26 OAK TBD $1,342,950 UFA Market Value
Geno Smith QB 26 NYG TBD $1,200,000 UFA -
Kellen Clemens QB 33 LAC TBD $1,080,000 UFA -
Tyler Bray QB 25 KC TBD $962,500 UFA -
Joe Webb QB 30 CAR TBD $930,000 UFA -
Chase Daniel QB 30 NO TBD $900,000 UFA -
Jimmy Garoppolo QB 25 NE TBD $870,975 UFA -
T.J. Yates QB 29 BUF TBD $815,000 UFA -
Matt McGloin QB 27 PHI TBD $800,000 UFA -
E.J. Manuel QB 27 OAK TBD $800,000 UFA -
Kellen Moore QB 27 DAL TBD $775,000 UFA -
David Fales QB 26 MIA TBD $690,000 UFA -
Tom Savage

Sprinkle in Bridgewater, Mike Glennon and others who may be available via trade plus the draft.

I'm not worried.

 

[DVontel]

It's a great point, Stout.

I really liked the idea of drafting Dodds and/or Beathard in the 3rd round. We could have had Dobbs, but SF took Beathard prior to #98.

Dobbs has some special qualities, one being superb deep ball accuracy, another being his mobility.

At some point, the Cardinals will have to draft a QB and do it with a sense of confidence and commitment.

Say what now Mitch?

 

[Mitch]

Say what now Mitch?

Dobbs completed 45% of his deep passes last year. Best % in the NCAA Power conferences.

 

[Chopper0080]

For me, unless something unexpected happens, I can say with confidence that Reddick, Baker, and Johnson are 2nd contract players. All three work hard enough and have the athleticism to stick in the league. That can make this a decent draft.

 

[Stout]

For me, unless something unexpected happens, I can say with confidence that Reddick, Baker, and Johnson are 2nd contract players. All three work hard enough and have the athleticism to stick in the league. That can make this a decent draft.

Crystal ball gazing, I see. How could you possibly opine with any degree of confidence on this yet? Talk about putting the cart out before the horse is even BORN.

"goldarn"... Haven't heard that word in years.

I had Hill Street Blues on my mind. Not wanting to swear, Howard Hunter's verbal gymnastics from that show came to mind

 

[oaken1]

Crystal ball gazing, I see. How could you possibly opine with any degree of confidence on this yet? Talk about putting the cart out before the horse is even BORN.



I had Hill Street Blues on my mind. Not wanting to swear, Howard Hunter's verbal gymnastics from that show came to mind

we all agreed on Andrew Luck...and we sucked for real that year...unfortunately Indy sucked worse on purpose. It may feel like eternity, but it has not been that long since the board was united on a choice for QB in the draft...

we will not however be united on Darnold...too many USC haters on the board... which is too bad...having an SC alumn to tutor him would probably be a best case scenario

 

[cardncubfan]

#1: Who? You can say you're confident we can get a quality vet next year if needed (and it will be), but that doesn't make it so. I can say my crap is purple and tastes like rainbow sherbet. Will you just blindly believe that and take a taste?

#2: We need more than a game manager QB if we have any ambition of winning anything substantial. It is, without question, a QB-driven league.

#3: Except the current approach has been the approach FOR YEARS. Doing the same thing year after year without yielding results is the definition of insanity. We don't even TRY to address the issue at THE most important position on the team. It's truly galling.

I don't necessarily disagree with you about this year's draft and the QBs available. My problem is that this is a culmination of years of failure and futility by the team.

Are you happy with our over all record since BASK took over? I am with last year being the outlier. We are definitely on the right track & I have complete confidence in our staff.

 

[jbeecham]

#3: Except the current approach has been the approach FOR YEARS. Doing the same thing year after year without yielding results is the definition of insanity. We don't even TRY to address the issue at THE most important position on the team. It's truly galling.

Why would we have wasted draft picks on QBs before this draft? Palmer played solidly in 2014 & at an MVP level in 2015. We also had a decent backup in Stanton. Why would we have wasted a 1st/2nd rd pick on a QB (before this draft) if Palmer wasn't close to retiring & Stanton was under contract for a few years? This board would be pissed if we drafted a 1st rd QB in 2014 or 2015 & he never saw the field. Sure, it would've allowed us to cut/trade Stanton, but you don't draft QBs early in the draft to make them sit on the bench for years when you can address more pressing needs.

Hindsight is 20/20 on Dak Prescott, but I'd be pissed if we had paid a king's ransom to trade up & take Jared Goff. Wentz would've been okay, but the price would've still been way too high. Paxton Lynch couldn't beat out Trevor Siemian.



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[cardncubfan]

Good article on our drafting philosophy of taking multi positional players.

http://www.espn.com/blog/arizona-ca...layers-are-a-priority-in-future-for-cardinals

 

[Chopper0080]

Crystal ball gazing, I see. How could you possibly opine with any degree of confidence on this yet? Talk about putting the cart out before the horse is even BORN.



I had Hill Street Blues on my mind. Not wanting to swear, Howard Hunter's verbal gymnastics from that show came to mind

Let me put it this way...these guys will get 2nd contracts in the league, but there is a wide range of how good they will be.

Reddick can fit in multiple schemes. He has a good work ethic. He can contribute to a pass rush. He has league average size and athleticism. He will hang around the league. Will he be Dansby or Sio Moore...I don't know.

Baker can play single high. He can tackle. He has plus speed and instincts. He will hang aronud the league. Again, I don't know if he will be Earl Thomas or Rashad Johnson, but he will hang around.

Johnson comes from a school that runs linemen from a 3 point stance. He has size and feet to play OG. Linemen are in demand. He seems to have a good work ethiic. He hangs arond the league.

I am pretty certain on these, because these are traits that 2nd contract players have. Busts are normally off field issues or athletic limitations. These three guys do not have those.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Reddick can fit in multiple schemes. He has a good work ethic. He can contribute to a pass rush. He has league average size and athleticism. He will hang around the league. Will he be Dansby or Sio Moore...I don't know.

I have to disagree on Reddick having league average athleticism. The guy runs a low 4.5 and tested really well in almost every athletic category.

He is probably equally as good an athlete that DWash was coming out, and is much more versatile.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I have to disagree on Reddick having league average athleticism. The guy runs a low 4.5 and tested really well in almost every athletic category.

He is probably equally as good an athlete that DWash was coming out, and is much more versatile.

Yeah, he's a decent athlete - http://www.espn.com/videohub/video/clip/_/id/19190552/categoryid/2378529

 

[Krangodnzr]

Yeah, he's a decent athlete - http://www.espn.com/videohub/video/clip/_/id/19190552/categoryid/2378529

LOL yeah this video kind of shows why the Cardinals had a high enough opinion of him.

 

[Sunburn]

Reddick can fit in multiple schemes. He has a good work ethic. He can contribute to a pass rush. He has league average size and athleticism. He will hang around the league. Will he be Dansby or Sio Moore...I don't know.

According to Sports Science, he is the most athletic player in the draft. His combine measurements back this up too. He is a top performer in the 40, vertical, and broad jump, and performs well everywhere else.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/haason-reddick?id=2557887

 

[Stout]

Let me put it this way...these guys will get 2nd contracts in the league, but there is a wide range of how good they will be.

Reddick can fit in multiple schemes. He has a good work ethic. He can contribute to a pass rush. He has league average size and athleticism. He will hang around the league. Will he be Dansby or Sio Moore...I don't know.

Baker can play single high. He can tackle. He has plus speed and instincts. He will hang aronud the league. Again, I don't know if he will be Earl Thomas or Rashad Johnson, but he will hang around.

Johnson comes from a school that runs linemen from a 3 point stance. He has size and feet to play OG. Linemen are in demand. He seems to have a good work ethiic. He hangs arond the league.

I am pretty certain on these, because these are traits that 2nd contract players have. Busts are normally off field issues or athletic limitations. These three guys do not have those.

2nd contracts in the league, sure. I wouldn't argue with that. 2nd contracts with US, well, there's no telling. That's what I thought you were saying.

 

[Garthshort]

Would everyone here felt better about our draft, if when we moved up in the second round, we selected a CB, like Awuzie, rather than a safety? Then took a safety (??) in the third and a WR later on.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Would everyone here felt better about our draft, if when we moved up in the second round, we selected a CB, like Awuzie, rather than a safety? Then took a safety (??) in the third and a WR later on.

I feel fine about Baker because he is similar to Mathieu in the fact that he can play some corner.

 

[Mitch]

Excellent video of the Cardinals 2017 NFL Draft picks:

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[JeffGollin]

Would everyone here felt better about our draft, if when we moved up in the second round, we selected a CB, like Awuzie, rather than a safety? Then took a safety (??) in the third and a WR later on.

No.

 

[JeffGollin]

One way to grade a draft at this early stage:

I feel better about our first 4 picks than our top 4 picks in any previous Cardinal draft in memory.

 

[Krangodnzr]

One way to grade a draft at this early stage:

I feel better about our first 4 picks than our top 4 picks in any previous Cardinal draftbin memory.

Only draft I felt better about was Fitz-Dansby-Dockett