Ray Horton: "I, unequivocally, would have delivered Norv Turner."

[Dayman]

There is nothing wrong with gloating when you're a elite DC in a small market.

It's a good way to increase the league and the public's awareness of your talents.

Gloating wasn't the whole issue.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/e...ay-horton-thinks-hes-figured-out-the-patriots

"We knew that whenever [Aaron] Hernandez was in tight, it was going to be a run, so we had a run check,” Horton told Arizona Sports 620.

"But when he got hurt, it screwed that up because they went to three wide receivers. What they did, and we figured out real quick, was whenever Tom Brady was under the center, they were going to run the ball and whenever he was in the shotgun, they were going to pass the ball. We told our players, ‘Hey, make the run check if Tom Brady's under the center. If he's in the gun, go to the pass check.'

"They handled it beautifully, and so we had dual calls that basically what we were telling them is we know when they're going to run and pass, so our players put us in the best position to win the game and they did a flawless job of managing the game of getting inside New England's head."

Well, there's little question that whatever the Cardinals were doing -- and surely, it couldn't have been as simple as Horton just made it sound -- it was confusing the Patriots offense.

But Horton's line of reasoning also confuses Patriots Rapid Reporter Nick Underhill, who writes that the Patriots ran the ball less than 45 percent of the time when Brady was under center and that 10 of the first 20 plays where Brady took a direct snap were actually passes.

And, as Arizona Sports also pointed out, of the 46 shotgun snaps taken by New England, 39 were passes (which, as you know, is slightly less than 100 percent).

“Not sure what Horton is talking about,” Underhill wrote. “Horton's claim isn't even a little right.”

 

[52brandon]

Gloating wasn't the whole issue.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/e...ay-horton-thinks-hes-figured-out-the-patriots

in fairness, (I didn't check the plays myself) Horton said that it was only after Hernandez got hurt that they switched to using that formula... so the 10 of the first 20 plays part is irrelevant

 

[CtCardinals78]

Horton is going to be a good HC someday. It would have been nice to keep him, but this offense is severely broken and needs to be fixed.

 

[52brandon]

Sorry, but gloating about stopping Tom Brady just makes you like you don't belong. I for one, am fine with a coach whose personality some might describe as "boring" (at least when it comes to how handles the media), so you can't fairly lump me in with those people. I was never one of those who criticized Whiz for his temperament.

It seems we have a difference in preference about what kind of HC should be leading this team, and that's fine.

How would a pro handle it? By not publicly offering up hypothetical scenarios about what you'd have done if your ex-boss had promoted you instead of fired you. He's got every right to do that, but don't cry bloody murder if the Bidwills don't want to pay him millions of dollars of their money to coach 52 men to be disciplined and play disciplined football when he's been known to not exactly be couth in front of the media. I couldn't fault Mike Bidwill for potentially having made the judgement that "If he can't control what he says in front of a microphone, how can I trust him to control and manage a whole NFL team?"

As Cardinal fans we should know a thing or two about acting like we belong. We've got Larry Fitzgerald on this team, and he's being paid $128 million dollars for more than his hands, believe me. That's the kind of leadership and example-setting we need from the top.

I heard it wasn't hypothetical. That Norv Turner conformers that he agreed to be Horton's OC here had he gotten the job... But it's 3rd party info to me so I'm not completely sure

 

[football karma]

listening to both interviews, I think I know one of the reasons he wasn't hired (even with Turner)

I think Ray had the potential to be a loose cannon with the media.

I know for a fact that one of the reasons McGinnis was let go was that he worked the media off the record, and when things went south, basically threw the organization under the bus ---

 

[joeshmo]

Horton didn't lash out against the Cardinals. He did exactly the opposite. He was very complimentary and gracious in the interview I heard on the radio today.

Did you listen to the interview he did with MJ and Bickley as well?

He was still complimentary and did not bash the cards even in the slightest. First of all he said in the interview he was the one to initiate these interviews he did yesterday. The radio stations did not call him he call the radio stations, which means he had an agenda. Second he was so worried about how the Norv Turner info even came out. He was so worried about getting across the idea that the info did not come from him and was asking where MJ got his info from, like it even mattered where it came from if the info was true. It was a very fishy exchange, like Horton never wanted that info to be released to the media or something. Very odd interview.

http://www.xtra910.com/cc-common/po..._Ray_Horton_PODCAST_2101_1359065159_11745.mp3

 

[joeshmo]

Hero to Goat in just two weeks. So you like guys like McGinnis and Tobin better?

You'd think Horton was Buddy Ryan crazy the way you guys talk about him all of a sudden.

Don't put me in that category. I love Horton the DC. But I never like the idea of Horton the HC. Just like I loved Buddy the DC, but not Buddy the HC. I can say that about a lot of good coaches.

 

[Nash2Amare]

Did you listen to the interview he did with MJ and Bickley as well?

Very odd interview.

http://www.xtra910.com/cc-common/po..._Ray_Horton_PODCAST_2101_1359065159_11745.mp3

Yeah, his interview with 910 was completely different from 620. It's like he was pissed off at Jurecki for most of it until the end. Really awkward.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Jurecki called the Horton/Turner thing way before anyone else. Which means I think he was dialed into that part of the coaching search. For all the times people think he is wrong he was proven to be unequivocally correct on this rumor. So that means I am also going to believe him on part two of this rumor when he says that when Horton gave the Cards Turners name at his second interview the Cards called him to see if their was mutual interest. Cards called twice, and Norv Turner never called them back.

I have no doubt what so ever Turner was never a real possibility for Horton. Horton tends to be a little over the top with what he says, he tends to be way over confident, there is a reason why the NFL fraternity laughed in his face about his comments after the NE game. I think Horton is doing exactly the same thing in this case.

One more reason why I think Horton is full of BS. If Horton could really get Norv Turner he would have been far more in the mix for the 8 HC jobs this offseason then he actually got. But he wasn't even close to getting a HC job by all accounts.

What this tells me is that Ray Horton is Jurecki's source when the info first came out and that in reality,the Norv Turner to Az things in only in one person's head.

Ray.

 

[joeshmo]

Yeah, his interview with 910 was completely different from 620. It's like he was pissed off at Jurecki for most of it until the end. Really awkward.

And he had nothing to be pissed about, which was funny. He was angry about the truth being reported? Very weird.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Did you listen to the interview he did with MJ and Bickley as well?

He was still complimentary and did not bash the cards even in the slightest. First of all he said in the interview he was the one to initiate these interviews he did yesterday. The radio stations did not call him he call the radio stations, which means he had an agenda. Second he was so worried about how the Norv Turner info even came out. He was so worried about getting across the idea that the info did not come from him and was asking where MJ got his info from, like it even mattered where it came from if the info was true. It was a very fishy exchange, like Horton never wanted that info to be released to the media or something. Very odd interview.

http://www.xtra910.com/cc-common/po..._Ray_Horton_PODCAST_2101_1359065159_11745.mp3

Just read this. Maybe not then.

 

[jf-08]

What I don't understand is that at first RH was rumored to have Kirby Wilson as an OC and that now we hear he could bring Norv and Tice.

Why the hell didn't he start the 1st interview with Norv and Tice?

He really sounded wound up in the Jurecki interview.

 

[SweetD]

I still call BS, then why didn't any other team sing him as a HC. Sounds like he is just talking himself up. Just like he did we he said he was going to be a head coach this year.

 

[DeAnna]

Why the hell didn't he start the 1st interview with Norv and Tice?

He really sounded wound up in the Jurecki interview.

Exactly. Which leads me to believe he never would've delivered Tice and Norv. Even tho he claimed they were submitted as coordinators on ALL his interviews, lol.

Maybe he was pissed at Jurecki for bringing up the Kirby Wilson name.

 

[Duckjake]

Why hasn't Bruce Arians been hired as a HC in the last 14 years? If he's so good why did he have to go back to being a WR coach after being an OC? If he is so good why was he only considered for the Cardinals QB coach position instead of OC? Why did he have to go back to the college game twice after having been in the NFL?

Circumstances.

Being passed over for a HC job means nothing. Especially for a Defensive Coordinator this year.

I wonder how many of you would call Horton a liar to his face? Gotta love the anonymity of the internet message board.

 

[Chopper0080]

Why hasn't Bruce Arians been hired as a HC in the last 14 years? If he's so good why did he have to go back to being a WR coach after being an OC? If he is so good why was he only considered for the Cardinals QB coach position instead of OC? Why did he have to go back to the college game twice after having been in the NFL?

Circumstances.

Being passed over for a HC job means nothing. Especially for a Defensive Coordinator this year.

I wonder how many of you would call Horton a liar to his face? Gotta love the anonymity of the internet message board.

I get what you are saying, but how do explain the fact that both Horton and Chudzinski interviewed for the Cleveland Browns job, and Chudzinski was hired due to his ability to bring Norv Turner on his staff. Not only that, but it was reported Turner wanted to coach with his son, who was with Chudzinski in Carolina, and was hired by Chudzinski in Cleveland.

As I said earlier, I think Horton believes he can do anything he puts his mind too which is why he probably thought he could bring Turner. However, despite this thinking, facts point to him not really being able to.

 

[Darkside]

On the other hand it sure was fun to watch the games while the Cards were winning 11 of 13 including wins over SF and NE thanks to the Horton defense.

This thread is so typical of sports fans. Two weeks ago Horton was a fan favorite. As best I can remember Horton never gave us any reason to think there was anything wrong with him. Now he's gone and suddenly he's a loose cannon and full of bull and not worthy of being a HC.

Gil Brandt said something Cards fans didn't like and he's too old and senile to know what he's talking about and not one poster came to his defense. Yet Tom Moore also a sr citizen still has it and numerous people come to his defense when age is made an issue.

Bruce Arians was passed over for every HC job in the NFL for 20 years and was only being considered as QB coach by AZ just a year ago is suddenly a great hire while Horton is not qualified because he didn't get hired this year.

You gotta love Cardinal football.

I agree with your basic premise, but disagree that I somehow fit it. I've said all along I thought Horton was disrespectful and basically acting a fool. Said it right after the Pats game on this forum. My opinion hasn't changed--other people's has. And I'm all for winners but what has Horton won? What did he win for us? He did more talking than winning.

(Edit: Your premise is entirely accurate though--if he were our coach right now I doubt this thread would even be here)

(Edit again: Actually, here's what I said after the Pats game:

Love Horton, but I actually agree with Sando. First of all, I don't mind us fans still talking about the Patriots (eventually we have to move on though) but it irritates me to hear a coach still talking about it. Focus on Philly and keep your mouth shut.

If a player had made those comments I don't think it would be okay, and I don't think it's okay just because it's Horton. Whis would never in a million years make such a statement, nor would many (I daresay most) coaches. It's not something a coach would do.

I don't even know if a coach like Rex Ryan would say such a thing. I find it ridiculous. Granted, I don't like coaches (or coordinators) talking a lot. I think it's smarter to keep your cards close to the vest. I've heard more comments from Horton after this win than anyone on the team, coach or player. It's like he went on the victory tour and we're only heading toward the 3rd week of the season.

Anyway, it bothered me but that's just my opinion. The game obviously meant a lot to him, probably going back to his Pittsburgh days.

(And don't get it twisted, he's a hell of a coach, it's just not my style)

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/anyone-else-hear-this-184497-2.html)

(Edit again x2: And didn't our D finish ranked 17th overall this year? That's not exactly stellar. It's better, but not that awesome)

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[BigRedRage]

I agree with your basic premise, but disagree that I somehow fit it. I've said all along I thought Horton was disrespectful and basically acting a fool. Said it right after the Pats game on this forum. My opinion hasn't changed--other people's has. And I'm all for winners but what has Horton won? What did he win for us? He did more talking than winning.

(Edit: Your premise is entirely accurate though--if he were our coach right now I doubt this thread would even be here)

(Edit again: Actually, here's what I said after the Pats game:

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/anyone-else-hear-this-184497-2.html)

(Edit again x2: And didn't our D finish ranked 17th overall this year? That's not exactly stellar. It's better, but not that awesome)

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D was still awesome though, we all know it.

 

[Mitch]

D was still awesome though, we all know it.

Sure was---and 17th despite being on the field practically the whole game because of the most inept 3 and out offense in the NFL...is actually pretty darn good.

That said---Horton's interview with DB and MJ yesterday was unfortunate---he really came across as immature, obsessive and painfully redundant.

I loved him for the way he coached---but when you are a HC you have to have a certain way of communicating with all types of people: owners, coaches, players, media members and fans.

Yesterday, the only people who might have understood where Horton was coming from would have been certain players---but that isn't going to get you the job.

Very disappointing.

Hope he learns from this because he needs to command all interviews, not bungle them.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Sure was---and 17th despite being on the field practically the whole game because of the most inept 3 and out offense in the NFL...is actually pretty darn good.

That said---Horton's interview with DB and MJ yesterday was unfortunate---he really came across as immature, obsessive and painfully redundant.

I loved him for the way he coached---but when you are a HC you have to have a certain way of communicating with all types of people: owners, coaches, players, media members and fans.

Yesterday, the only people who might have understood where Horton was coming from would have been certain players---but that isn't going to get you the job.

Very disappointing.

Hope he learns from this because he needs to command all interviews, not bungle them.

Just listened to it, and I share all of your reservations.

The man's not ready for prime time.

 

[daves]

Sure was---and 17th despite being on the field practically the whole game because of the most inept 3 and out offense in the NFL...

The Cardinals' O was indeed one of the most inept i've ever seen, and all the short fields the D had to defend surely hurt their points against average. But for the record, the Cardinals' time of possession averaged 29:01. Not good, but better than that of St. Louis, about a half minute better than that of Minnesota, almost a full minute better than Baltimore's, and almost two minutes better than Tennessee's.

I agree with the rest of your post though!

...dave

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Did you listen to the interview he did with MJ and Bickley as well?

He was still complimentary and did not bash the cards even in the slightest. First of all he said in the interview he was the one to initiate these interviews he did yesterday. The radio stations did not call him he call the radio stations, which means he had an agenda. Second he was so worried about how the Norv Turner info even came out. He was so worried about getting across the idea that the info did not come from him and was asking where MJ got his info from, like it even mattered where it came from if the info was true. It was a very fishy exchange, like Horton never wanted that info to be released to the media or something. Very odd interview.

http://www.xtra910.com/cc-common/po..._Ray_Horton_PODCAST_2101_1359065159_11745.mp3

I just listened to that interview and it made me have serious questions about his HC mentality. If he gets that worked up about a simple interview, there has to be serious questions about handling the bigger issues of being a HC. He sounded kind of "out there" to me and I agree it was a very strange interview.