RB Tim Hightower?

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Maybe someone should start a "I here a lot about" thread about Hightower like we had when Boldin was a rookie.........worked out pretty well last time.....
 

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I have not read past page 1 when this started. Are we (collective) trying to break the Guiness record for most pages of commentary for a fifth round draft choice.

I have a sneaking suspicion that we have another Boldin type surprise on our hands.
 

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too late

Let's not get waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of ourselves.

Man there's 11 pages of comments already. It's too late to get ahead of ourselves. I just hope Mo's money back guarantee extends to my new jersey purchase.
 

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5 hundreths of a second is equal to a 1/2 a step faster. That is a noticable difference.

I read this on TMQ: "A player running a 4.29 would complete a 40-yard dash 3 inches ahead of a player running a 4.3."

So for every hundredth of a second, you gain three inches and we'd be looking at 15 inches in this case.

I've always thought of "a step" as being more of "a stride" for someone running at full speed, but maybe I'm wrong.
 

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I read this on TMQ: "A player running a 4.29 would complete a 40-yard dash 3 inches ahead of a player running a 4.3."

So for every hundredth of a second, you gain three inches and we'd be looking at 15 inches in this case.

I've always thought of "a step" as being more of "a stride" for someone running at full speed, but maybe I'm wrong.

You also have to take into account .5 second reaction time. (on average) Some players are even slower.
 

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You also have to take into account .5 second reaction time. (on average) Some players are even slower.

I think Mayock brought up a similar idea or along the same lines. Talked about game speed and guys taking wasted steps or guys not taking wasted steps. Meaning a guy might be fast but he might get to a play just as fast as an average speed guy becuase he takes more wasted steps then the average speed guy. I think he brought this up when talking about Early Doucet actually.

A good reaction time, not taking wasted steps, and good angles could actually make an average speed guy a lot faster on the field then a burner in the 40.
 

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watching videos of the Bread Truck makes his game speed look better than what we have today...
 

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I crunched the numbers my own way - normalizing 40 yard times to yards per second (ignoring the reaction time because it doesn't exist at the combine - since there is no gun or ball snap to start their runs). I then assumed that the average back would be at max speed within 7 yards (probably a serious source for bias). Even after 100 yards (assuming they maintain max speed for 100 yards) the difference between a guy running a 4.29 and a guy running a 4.6 is around .5 yards. Some of these guys' shoe sizes are close to a half yard. Make your own judgements about 40 times, but shuttle runs, vertical leaps, and drills seem more indicative of explosiveness and game speed.
 

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I have a sneaking suspicion that we have another Boldin type surprise on our hands.

Actually you have a "hope" based on "hope". What are the odds on a 5th round running back emerging as a starting RB? Slim at best. Many of us are sort of in denial we did not go early for a RB like Mendenhall. It will be fun or hurtful to see how our DB vs Mendenhall turns out this year. Some have posted they do not think Cromartie will start this year which is possible as it does take some time to develop most DB's. Hightower on the other hand will be easy to judge rather quick as he can either run at this level or he cannot. Probably in training camp we will know just how good Hightower is or is not.
 

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#22 Tim HightowerRBHeight: 6'1" Weight: 225 Year: Sr RushingReceivingTotalDateOpponentAttYdsTDAvgRecYdsTDAvgYdsTDSep. 1Vanderbilt147315.22502.5781Sep. 8Northeastern19246412.9128028.02744Sep. 22Bucknell24295412.3220010.03154Sep. 29New Hampshire2216837.674115.92094Oct. 6Towson2612014.631806.01381Oct. 13Stony Brook1910115.321115.51122Oct. 20Rhode Island199605.1445111.31411Oct. 27James Madison2810213.63702.31091Nov. 3Villanova3618715.231906.32061Nov. 10Delaware2911313.90000.01131Nov. 17William & Mary156004.00000.0600Nov. 24Eastern Kentucky3118015.831404.71941Dec. 1Wofford238823.81303.0912Dec. 7Appalachian State229504.3117017.01120TOTALS3271924205.93222837.1215223
http://richmond.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=46173

Goodness..... clean that up.
 

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Actually you have a "hope" based on "hope". What are the odds on a 5th round running back emerging as a starting RB? Slim at best. Many of us are sort of in denial we did not go early for a RB like Mendenhall. It will be fun or hurtful to see how our DB vs Mendenhall turns out this year. Some have posted they do not think Cromartie will start this year which is possible as it does take some time to develop most DB's. Hightower on the other hand will be easy to judge rather quick as he can either run at this level or he cannot. Probably in training camp we will know just how good Hightower is or is not.

They arent that slim. Late round RB gems are found all the time in the NFL.
 

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I'm sure they just reached for a 5th rounder no one's ever heard of to keep James on his toes.....
 

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The "Bread Truck"

Some enterprising reporter has got to track down the origin of that nickname for Timmy. There has to be a story there someplace. I mean "Tug Boat" for Marcel Ship is obvious. The Bread Truck not so much.
 

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Some enterprising reporter has got to track down the origin of that nickname for Timmy. There has to be a story there someplace. I mean "Tug Boat" for Marcel Ship is obvious. The Bread Truck not so much.

If you watch his videos? One of the announcers says is running "like a run away bread truck".
 

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Actually you have a "hope" based on "hope". What are the odds on a 5th round running back emerging as a starting RB? Slim at best. Many of us are sort of in denial we did not go early for a RB like Mendenhall. It will be fun or hurtful to see how our DB vs Mendenhall turns out this year. Some have posted they do not think Cromartie will start this year which is possible as it does take some time to develop most DB's. Hightower on the other hand will be easy to judge rather quick as he can either run at this level or he cannot. Probably in training camp we will know just how good Hightower is or is not.

Late round RB picks are often successful. Top picks often bust or are average at best.

You'll know by year two how good TH is. And no, you won't know right away...he'll have to adjust to the NFL speed as well.
 
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Late round RB picks are often successful. Top picks often bust or are average at best.

You'll know by year two how good TH is. And no, you won't know right away...he'll have to adjust to the NFL speed as well.
A good OL can make an average RB damn good.

He has good speed for his size. He seems to hit the holes hard, and have a good work ethic. For a 5th rounder, I dont see much down side.
 
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