Ready to get ripped: I think Larry Fitzgerald is overrated.

[dreamcastrocks]

Some of us have been saying this for years now. These two WR's are studs but b/c neither are fast, the cb's just sit on the routes and smother them. Thats why when someone says "Would you trade Steve Smith, Chad Johnson, Reggie Wayne" etc for Fitzgerald? I say yeah. Cant teach speed and neither Boldin or Fitz has it and it hurts us in games like this.

I'd trade Boldin/Fitz for Steve Smith, Chad Johnson, etc. Not Wayne though, the move would be lateral at best.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

There isn't a single team in the league that wouldn't jump all over a chance to have either Boldin or Fitz on their roster.

That I do agree with 1000%.

 

[CardLogic]

Fitzgerald is just 21 years old. Most guys his age are now in their 5th year in college (redshirt senior).


Just sayin'...

 

[Zeno]

Fitzgerald is just 21 years old. Most guys his age are now in their 5th year in college (redshirt senior).


Just sayin'...

Isn't he 24 now? I'm pretty sure he turned 21 during his first preseason.

 

[CardLogic]

Isn't he 24 now? I'm pretty sure he turned 21 during his first preseason.

My mistake, he just turned 24. I was thinking 21 because during training camp I remember reading that Fitz was still the youngest WR on the team, including this years rookies (UDFA's). So I was thinking 21...

I guess it's been too long ago for me to remember the age of the typical college senior! LOL!

 

[Russ Smith]

He had separation on the flea-flicker. If Leinart had thrown the ball to him it would've been six.

not last night, Matt would have overthrown it by 10 yards. he was just off all night.

For example, the first pick, was he really throwing that to Fitz, or to the FB underneath? I've seen it who knows how many times and I'm still not sure which guy was the target.

 

[football karma]

not last night, Matt would have overthrown it by 10 yards. he was just off all night.

For example, the first pick, was he really throwing that to Fitz, or to the FB underneath? I've seen it who knows how many times and I'm still not sure which guy was the target.

I am thinking fullback underneath

Larry seemed like he was surprised that the ball went to him

 

[Cheesebeef]

Anyone in the top 10 is a star, regardless of wether it is Boldin or Fitzgerald.

what is it based on that Fitz is a top ten star? His one season over 1000 yards? Dude's yet to come close to the hype, which still surrounds him because he was the 3rd pick in the draft.

to be honest, the whole Dynamic Duo thing is wayyyyyy over hyped IMO. Boldin's a possession WR STUD and I don't know what the hell Fitz is.

 

[Shane]

what is it based on that Fitz is a top ten star? His one season over 1000 yards? Dude's yet to come close to the hype, which still surrounds him because he was the 3rd pick in the draft.

to be honest, the whole Dynamic Duo thing is wayyyyyy over hyped IMO. Boldin's a possession WR STUD and I don't know what the hell Fitz is.

Perfectly stated.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

what is it based on that Fitz is a top ten star? His one season over 1000 yards? Dude's yet to come close to the hype, which still surrounds him because he was the 3rd pick in the draft.

to be honest, the whole Dynamic Duo thing is wayyyyyy over hyped IMO. Boldin's a possession WR STUD and I don't know what the hell Fitz is.

You do realize that he has averaged a 76 passes and a 1000 yards in his first three seasons right?

He also has accounted for 46% of the team's passing TDs. Which is the most in the NFL during that period. No other team has relied on their receiver to score like the Cardinals have.

He is Cris Carter all over again, that is what he is.

Want to guess Boldin's TD percentage during that time frame?

 

[Cheesebeef]

You do realize that he has averaged a 76 passes and a 1000 yards in his first three seasons right?

you do realize that averaging 1000 yards a season is rather pedestrian, especially for someone of Fitz hype going into the draft, no less the hype that still surrounds him. Not to mention the fact that the only reason he averages that much is because he had ONE GREAT season, in which his stats made zero impact on an awful team.

He also has accounted for 46% of the team's passing TDs. Which is the most in the NFL during that period. No other team has relied on their receiver to score like the Cardinals have.

not saying much for an offense as pathetic as ours.

He is Cris Carter all over again, that is what he is.

He's had ONE season with more than 10 TDs - he ain't even close to proving that he's Cris Carter.

Want to guess Boldin's TD percentage during that time frame?

I know what it is - that's why I said Boldin's a POSSESSION WR STUD - and he's proven year after year that he can gobble up the yards - something Fitz hasn't done.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

You do realize that he has averaged a 76 passes and a 1000 yards in his first three seasons right?

He also has accounted for 46% of the team's passing TDs. Which is the most in the NFL during that period. No other team has relied on their receiver to score like the Cardinals have.

He is Cris Carter all over again, that is what he is.

Want to guess Boldin's TD percentage during that time frame?

It doesn't really matter, no stats will change people's minds, Fitz isn't a fan favorite, Bolden is. I am sure some of the fans actually root against Fitz just because it isn't Bolden, I really do believe that.

 

[Cheesebeef]

It doesn't really matter, no stats will change people's minds, Fitz isn't a fan favorite, Bolden is. I am sure some of the fans actually root against Fitz just because it isn't Bolden, I really do believe that.

i'm not one of those guys - to be honest, I don't think Boldin is a top five WR and probably is anywhere in the 7-12 range. I just think both of our guys are INCREDIBLY over-rated, especially when you see the impact, or lack thereof, they have actually getting us in the endzone.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

So what is the point of this?

Perhaps it is to denigrate the few players on this team that actually perform at a high level? I mean if we are going to have a bitchfest lets just bitch about everything right?


Perhaps it is because deep down you feel one player overshadows another? It's no coincidence that those that were upset about "player rankings" that had Fitzgerald higher than Boldin come running here to denigrate him.

Perhaps people are just searching for a scapegoat. Stuff in this thread is silly likeFitzgerald diving for a first down and people complaining about it. Oh noes!!!! He got the first down, that is what matters.

Perhaps people are wishing we had drafted someone else. You know that other WR who has played less games, has less catches, and less yards.


Personally I think it is #2. Two guys consistently get a load of unnecessary crap on this board and it is Edge and Fitzgerald. One has Shipp backing him up and some people here are just convinced that Shipp is suddenly going to become that 1000 yard back he never was. The other get upset because people dare to think that Fitzgerald might be better than Boldin.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

you do realize that averaging 1000 yards a season is rather pedestrian, especially for someone of Fitz hype going into the draft, no less the hype that still surrounds him. Not to mention the fact that the only reason he averages that much is because he had ONE GREAT season, in which his stats made zero impact on an awful team.



not saying much for an offense as pathetic as ours.



He's had ONE season with more than 10 TDs - he ain't even close to proving that he's Cris Carter.



I know what it is - that's why I said Boldin's a POSSESSION WR STUD - and he's proven year after year that he can gobble up the yards - something Fitz hasn't done.

I don't know why people would want Fitz to emulate Bolden's game, why can't they coexist?

The Cardinals IMO are kind of stupid to not chuck at least 3 or 4 balls downfield to Fitz each game. Let Bolden get the Yaks and let Fitz get the jump balls.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

i'm not one of those guys - to be honest, I don't think Boldin is a top five WR and probably is anywhere in the 7-12 range. I just think both of our guys are INCREDIBLY over-rated, especially when you see the impact, or lack thereof, they have actually getting us in the endzone.

This is only ironic because I just told you that no other receiver in the NFL scores more for his team than Fitzgerald.

Yeah our offense isn't great. Why bitch about the parts that are?

 

[Cheesebeef]

So what is the point of this?

Perhaps it is to denigrate the few players on this team that actually perform at a high level? I mean if we are going to have a bitchfest lets just bitch about everything right?


Perhaps it is because deep down you feel one player overshadows another? It's no coincidence that those that were upset about "player rankings" that had Fitzgerald higher than Boldin come running here to denigrate him.

Perhaps people are just searching for a scapegoat. Stuff in this thread is silly likeFitzgerald diving for a first down and people complaining about it. Oh noes!!!! He got the first down, that is what matters.

Perhaps people are wishing we had drafted someone else. You know that other WR who has played less games, has less catches, and less yards.


Personally I think it is #2. Two guys consistently get a load of unnecessary crap on this board and it is Edge and Fitzgerald. One has Shipp backing him up and some people here are just convinced that Shipp is suddenly going to become that 1000 yard back he never was. The other get upset because people dare to think that Fitzgerald might be better than Boldin.

I gave Edge a lot of crap last year, but the dude looked like Edge last night. I'm willing to admit that the line may really have been the entire problem. Guy may not have breakaway speed, but his cutbacks were money last night and dude grinds like no other.

never been an over the top Fitz or Boldin fan - they're above average recievers, but neither is a Chad Johnson, Holt, Harrison, Wayne, TO, Moss (when motivated) IMO. They're definitely in the second tier, but that's it.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

i don't root against fitz, but i am perplexed by his inability to ever put a move on anyone or run away from anyone. he's a pitch and catch guy. he'll go up and get it, but rarely does he have any sizzle after the play. the dive was just weird. he didn't have clear sailing, but neither was he close to being caught before the first down marker. why he didn't stay on his feet and fight for more yardage is a HUGE question mark for me. his pedestrian speed and ability to seemingly disappear at times cause me to question his overall value. is he a #1? yeah, i think he is. but i think he's a lower tier #1.

and as usual, i agree with all the posters that grumble about fitz and quan being duplicates . . . no speed, underneath awesome possession wrs. too much redundancy.

i think reason you see so much love for 'quan and not for fitz is simply two reasons:

1. quan came around when we desperately needed someone to hang our hats on and he was a nice "steal" in the second round.

2. you see quan's heart every time he's churning for more yards and running over db's.

i'm not saying we didn't desperately need fitz and i'm not saying he has no heart, i'm saying both items were more prominant with quan.

 

[Totally_Red]

Listen if the QB has an off night, even a pro-bowl receiver is going to look mediocre. I watched the Panthers and Rams Sunday. Delhomme was very inaccurate and inconsistent and Steve Smith suffered for it. They won the game, but Delhomme did not play well IMO.


Leinart looked spooked all night long. I'm not sure what his issue was, but he dragged the whole team down with him. I didn't think he looked sharp all preseason. Yeah, he pulled a couple rabbits out of the hat at time, but he frequently looked gun shy and hesitant.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This is only ironic because I just told you that no other receiver in the NFL scores more for his team than Fitzgerald.

Yeah our offense isn't great. Why bitch about the parts that are?

who's bitching? I'm just saying he's overrated. Just an opinion.

 

[ajcardfan]

I know what it is - that's why I said Boldin's a POSSESSION WR STUD - and he's proven year after year that he can gobble up the yards - something Fitz hasn't done.

There just isn't that much separation between them. I posted the stats in the other thread, their YPC is almost identical - 13.5 and 13.6. Fitz has averaged 8 TDs a season, Boldin 5. Boldin has averaged 83.4 yards per game, Fitz 68.5. But Boldin had a year without Fitz, with total crap at all the other WR spots. So, it's a wash. BOTH are really good.


I just don't get the phenomenon of how it seems Card fans have to pick one, or two, of their best players to bitch about. I don't think any other group of fans is as harsh on their best players.

 

[Cheesebeef]

i don't root against fitz, but i am perplexed by his inability to ever put a move on anyone or run away from anyone. he's a pitch and catch guy. he'll go up and get it, but rarely does he have any sizzle after the play. the dive was just weird. he didn't have clear sailing, but neither was he close to being caught before the first down marker. why he didn't stay on his feet and fight for more yardage is a HUGE question mark for me. his pedestrian speed and ability to seemingly disappear at times cause me to question his overall value. is he a #1? yeah, i think he is. but i think he's a lower tier #1.

and as usual, i agree with all the posters that grumble about fitz and quan being duplicates . . . no speed, underneath awesome possession wrs. too much redundancy.

i think reason you see so much love for 'quan and not for fitz is simply two reasons:

1. quan came around when we desperately needed someone to hang our hats on and he was a nice "steal" in the second round.

2. you see quan's heart every time he's churning for more yards and running over db's.

i'm not saying we didn't desperately need fitz and i'm not saying he has no heart, i'm saying both items were more prominant with quan.

shocker... I AGREE!

The dive was all about the culture of losing IMO. SOOOOO desperate just to get that first down - when a team who actually expects to win, just makes that play, gets more yards and stays in bounds. The dive was desperation IMO and unbelievably weird from the moment it happened.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Perhaps people are just searching for a scapegoat. Stuff in this thread is silly likeFitzgerald diving for a first down and people complaining about it. Oh noes!!!! He got the first down, that is what matters.

sorry buddy, but this part of your rant is just plain stupid. that's like saying a dude that catches a pass and just stops after 10 yards did his job b/c he got the first down. his job is to get as many yards as possible. you can't possibly argue that the dive was necessary. i'm not saying it was cowardly or anything of that sort, just weird. a head scratcher. and a play that quan doesn't make.

mind you - i didn't want roy williams over fitz when we drafted (though now seeing the redundancy i might change my mind), i don't prefer q over fitz, and i could care less about the rankings. so i don't fit any of your categories. i just think fitz is overrated. he's had one monster year. so did rob moore. so did david boston. i want more. is that too much to ask?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Cheesebeef, I hate to confuse you with the facts and all but...

Cris Carter had 1 season of 10+TDs in his first three years. In fact, Cris Carter didn't have his second season until his 8th year in the league.

Why don't you take a look at some of the great WRs in the league and see where they were after 3 seasons. You will find that BOTH Boldin and Fitzgerald stand up well against them.

We should be ecstatic to have both.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

There just isn't that much separation between them. I posted the stats in the other thread, their YPC is almost identical - 13.5 and 13.6. Fitz has averaged 8 TDs a season, Boldin 5. Boldin has averaged 83.4 yards per game, Fitz 68.5. But Boldin had a year without Fitz, with total crap at all the other WR spots. So, it's a wash. BOTH are really good.


I just don't get the phenomenon of how it seems Card fans have to pick one, or two, of their best players to bitch about. I don't think any other group of fans is as harsh on their best players.

exactly, fans like the show points, whether it's show or not, people that make things look easy tend to look worse than people who make things look hard.

It's a baseball Analogy but it's the best I have at the moment, Eric Bynes is a good example of how fans view things, the dude misses the cut off man by 40 feet but tumbles and flips to the ground....fans think he made a great play even if the guy totally hurt the team.