Ready to get ripped: I think Larry Fitzgerald is overrated.

[Cheesebeef]

Not true, I happen to like both players, I would say that almost all fans of Fitz are also fans of Bolden.

There might be some fans who feel like they need to choose sides and those fans for the most part happen to be Bolden fanatics, I am not certain what the desire to act like this is though.

i don't really understand the Boldin fanatics either. They're both very good players - I just don't think they're in the top tier of WRs - but definitely in the 7-15 range.

But what do I know - I'm just stupid and obtuse and my opinion isn't one to be respected, right moderator Sanders?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I didn't say that you are stupid and obtuse. You are incredibly intelligent.

Arguing over one little point that had zero effect on the outcome of the game is stupid and obtuse. Both of us have better things to do.

 

[Russ Smith]

Staying in bounds didn't matter. You are wrong on this and too stubborn to admit it.

2-11-ARI 29 (4:53) 7-M.Leinart pass short left to 11-L.Fitzgerald ran ob at ARZ 41 for 12 yards. Caught at ARZ 28.
1-10-ARI 41 (4:37) 32-E.James left end to ARZ 38 for -3 yards (95-T.Banta-Cain).


Looks like 26 seconds ran off the clock.

16 seconds and it does say he ran out of bounds which stopped the clock
when you don't want it stopped. Now that might have happened when running too.

The only reason I brought it up was the dive looked weird. It wasn't a goalline play it wasn't 4thdown , he wasn't diving over a guy to get a first down, he just dove when he had several yards between him and the defender.

I don't think it was a bad play just maybe not the best play.

I don't think we threw to Fitz enough last night.

 

[Shane]

Not true, I happen to like both players, I would say that almost all fans of Fitz are also fans of Bolden.

There might be some fans who feel like they need to choose sides and those fans for the most part happen to be Bolden fanatics, I am not certain what the desire to act like this is though.

To act like what?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Right the plays that Quan makes are not getting set on the first play for the second half leading to a blatant false start. That would be nitpicking.

The dive is so silly because the only thing that mattered was getting the first down. Another yard or two doesn't affect the game in the slightest. It DIDN'T stop the clock contrary to what someone said earlier. It's nit picking and nothing else.

Fitzgerald's only goal there is to get the first down to help seal the win. He did that by getting 12 yards when he needed 11. That's what matters.

i'm not arguing fitz over boldin, so your first paragraph is meaningless and does nothing to explain the dive.

if you don't have to dive and can possibly pick up more yards, why dive? you still haven't answered why he dove? he didn't have to. it doesn't make sense. and the first down is NOT the only thing that matters. field position ALWAYS matters in a close game. you're assuming he only picks up one or two more yards - first, you can't assume 'cuz we don't know what happens if he tries to pick up more yards, and two you're kinda damning his abilities if you think he could only pick up one or two more yards, aren't you?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Staying in bounds didn't matter. You are wrong on this and too stubborn to admit it.

2-11-ARI 29 (4:53) 7-M.Leinart pass short left to 11-L.Fitzgerald ran ob at ARZ 41 for 12 yards. Caught at ARZ 28.

Uh, Chris, you do realize that "RAN OB" means... RAN OUT OF BOUNDS, right? So, who's wrong and too stubborn to admit it, while calling debating the point stupid and obtuse?

seriously, it's okay to say you're wrong sometimes. I've done it a couple times today (re: Edge and Brown).

 

[ajcardfan]

I dont see the emotions and fuzzy reasoning in believing that Q is the better player? I love Fitz amd glad to have him. But I agree with Cheese he was nowhere worth the 3rd pick in the draft much like LD was. Not based on his impact on the field as of yet. I dont think he scares a defense. That could change with time but IMO its doubtful.

Honestly, I don't think either Boldin or Fitz "scare" a defense. I think teams respect them, but they don't frighten them. We have two really good WRs, who have the potential to post huge career numbers. Why people choose to gripe about either guy, out of all the ones on the team, is a bit weird.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

To act like what?

Like a parent who is worried their kid wil be upstaged by someone elses kid.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Uh, Chris, you do realize that "RAN OB" means... RAN OUT OF BOUNDS, right? So, who's wrong and too stubborn to admit it, while calling debating the point stupid and obtuse?

seriously, it's okay to say you're wrong sometimes. I've done it a couple times today (re: Edge and Brown).

oh SNAP!




















seriously, losing sucks. i forget how much it sucks every offseason. it really sucks.

 

[Shane]

Honestly, I don't think either Boldin or Fitz "scare" a defense. I think teams respect them, but they don't frighten them. We have two really good WRs, who have the potential to post huge career numbers. Why people choose to gripe about either guy, out of all the ones on the team, is a bit weird.

I honestly dont see the griping. I just see people saying they like one better than the other. Which I and others do. Some like Q and some like Fitz(albeit less) But doesnt mean we dont like the other guy too.

I disagree about Q. I believe with his physical play and ability to create something out of nothing does put at least some fear in a defense. Two things Fitz really doesnt have the ability to do.

 

[Shane]

Like a parent who is worried their kid wil be upstaged by someone elses kid.

You are going to have to explain further because honestly you have lost me.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Why does it matter why he dived? What was the goal? Get the first down.

What did he do? Get the first down.

It is easy to say from a television that he could have run and might have been able to get a handful of extra yards (which wouldn't have mattered). Fitzgerald sees defenders in front of him and the first down marker.

I imagine in his mind he doesn't want to get caught from behind (which happens to everyone) and not get it. He doesn't want to get tackled from the side and not get it. He just wants to get the first down.

And he does. Look if he dived and we didn't get the first down I could see a complaint but the dive got him the first down and an extra yard.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Why does it matter why he dived? What was the goal? Get the first down.

What did he do? Get the first down.

It is easy to say from a television that he could have run and might have been able to get a handful of extra yards (which wouldn't have mattered). Fitzgerald sees defenders in front of him and the first down marker.

I imagine in his mind he doesn't want to get caught from behind (which happens to everyone) and not get it. He doesn't want to get tackled from the side and not get it. He just wants to get the first down.

And he does. Look if he dived and we didn't get the first down I could see a complaint but the dive got him the first down and an extra yard.

i'm not going to continue arguing, but it was weird. 'nuff said.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

Honestly, I don't think either Boldin or Fitz "scare" a defense. I think teams respect them, but they don't frighten them. We have two really good WRs, who have the potential to post huge career numbers. Why people choose to gripe about either guy, out of all the ones on the team, is a bit weird.

I think any coach who game plans the Cardinals has to recognize them as the real talent of the offense.

What the coaches probably are not scared of is our ability to protect the passer long enough to allow the receivers to expose the defenses holes.

They also now seeing the film will be less inclined to worry about Whizz using each of them in the ways that would inflict the most damage to defenses.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Uh, Chris, you do realize that "RAN OB" means... RAN OUT OF BOUNDS, right? So, who's wrong and too stubborn to admit it, while calling debating the point stupid and obtuse?

seriously, it's okay to say you're wrong sometimes. I've done it a couple times today (re: Edge and Brown).

I see time elapsed between plays.

2-13-ARI 38 (4:04) 32-E.James up the middle to ARZ 41 for 3 yards (52-P.Willis; 50-D.Smith).

Timeout #1 by ARZ at 03:13.

3-10-ARI 41 (3:13) 32-E.James up the middle to ARZ 45 for 4 yards (92-A.Franklin; 90-I.Sopoaga).

Timeout #2 by SF at 03:06.

4-6-ARI 45 (3:06) 5-M.Barr punts 41 yards to SF 14, Center-48-N.Hodel, fair catch by 81-B.Williams.

Here is time not elapsing between plays. Perhaps because it happened so close to the 5 minute mark time still ran.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Why does it matter why he dived? What was the goal? Get the first down.

and stay in bounds - that's the goal at the end of the game. He accomplished half of that feat. And it ended up giving the Niners more time and an extra time out they didn't need to take.

 

[Russ Smith]

Why does it matter why he dived? What was the goal? Get the first down.

What did he do? Get the first down.

It is easy to say from a television that he could have run and might have been able to get a handful of extra yards (which wouldn't have mattered). Fitzgerald sees defenders in front of him and the first down marker.

I imagine in his mind he doesn't want to get caught from behind (which happens to everyone) and not get it. He doesn't want to get tackled from the side and not get it. He just wants to get the first down.

And he does. Look if he dived and we didn't get the first down I could see a complaint but the dive got him the first down and an extra yard.

Personally I just don't see why he did it and it seemed weird. 4th down and 11 yeah the goal is get the first down period, 3rd and 11 even unless you're in 4 down territory. 2nd and 11, sure you want a first down but the primary goal is get as many yards as you can, and hopefully stay in bounds.

That play was trivial in the whole scheme of things it just seemed extremely odd. I suspect the reason it bugged me at the time was ESPN making a big deal out of it like it was an incredible play, as I said originally it reminded me of the guy who slides into first base when running through is faster, so many times the announcer will applaud the hustle when it's not usually the best play.

That was the only reason I commented on Holian's original post because I thought it was weird at the time too so when he pointed it out, I said me too.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I am going to the gym to blow off some steam. To hell with this.

 

[Redsz]

Larry Fitzgerald, welcome to being the latest wipping boy by some on this board. Don't worry though, as usual they will move onto someone else in time.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

I honestly dont see the griping. I just see people saying they like one better than the other. Which I and others do. Some like Q and some like Fitz(albeit less) But doesnt mean we dont like the other guy too.

I disagree about Q. I believe with his physical play and ability to create something out of nothing does put at least some fear in a defense. Two things Fitz really doesnt have the ability to do.

Fitz's capability of out leaping defenses should put fear into the defense, if the coach choose not to call plays that take advantage of that skill set, then I don't think that's Larry's fault.

I agree that Bolden's ability to pick up yards after the catch also puts fear into DC's, the whole physicality is probably more enduring to fans though, it doesn't matter how you get YAK's as long as you get them.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

Larry Fitzgerald, welcome to being the latest wipping boy by some on this board. Don't worry though, as usual they will move onto someone else in time.

AKA Edge after one bad week..

 

[Rivercard]

and stay in bounds - that's the goal at the end of the game. He accomplished half of that feat. And it ended up giving the Niners more time and an extra time out they didn't need to take.

Since there were just a few ticks under 5 minutes left at the end of the play, perhaps Larry thought they would restart the clock even when he went out of bounds. Over 5 minutes left they would have restarted the clock.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I see time elapsed between plays.

2-13-ARI 38 (4:04) 32-E.James up the middle to ARZ 41 for 3 yards (52-P.Willis; 50-D.Smith).

Timeout #1 by ARZ at 03:13.

3-10-ARI 41 (3:13) 32-E.James up the middle to ARZ 45 for 4 yards (92-A.Franklin; 90-I.Sopoaga).

Timeout #2 by SF at 03:06.

4-6-ARI 45 (3:06) 5-M.Barr punts 41 yards to SF 14, Center-48-N.Hodel, fair catch by 81-B.Williams.

Here is time not elapsing between plays. Perhaps because it happened so close to the 5 minute mark time still ran.

man, I could have SWORN that time stopped because I remember SCREAMING at the TV (and scaring the crap out of everyone around me).

 

[Cheesebeef]

I am going to the gym to blow off some steam. To hell with this.

man, I hate it when people say this to me, but relax man. it's not that big of an argument.

 

[AZCB34]

Bryant Johnson is the best WR on the team...coaches just don't have the slightest idea how to utilize the guy. How do you think Q got all those catches last year? Every DC for ouyr opponents was double and triple teaming Johnson and they were willing to let Q hurt them.