Really scathing opinion from Gambadoro on Beanie

[jw7]

So Beanie "the Bust" Wells wants to woo the other 31 teams in the NFL? Sure Beanie, go ahead. But not from the football field on Sunday. How about you do it at their facilities during some private workouts?

Good Riddance Beanie Wells

I'm not a huge fan of Beanie or Gambo for that matter, but wow. Pulls no punches.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

The one thing I feel I don't need to worry about with Beanie is this, he won't succeed elsewhere. He's no Thomas Jones.

 

[Totally_Red]

The one thing I feel I don't need to worry about with Beanie is this, he won't succeed elsewhere. He's no Thomas Jones.

He'll probably stumble and fumble the pen on his way to signing his next deal.

 

[Duckjake]

The one thing I feel I don't need to worry about with Beanie is this, he won't succeed elsewhere. He's no Thomas Jones.

Again I have to ask how did so many bums end up on our roster? Or should the question be why is it that so many guys on the Cardinal's rosters turn into bums?

 

[Catfish]

Again I have to ask how did so many bums end up on our roster? Or should the question be why is it that so many guys on the Cardinal's rosters turn into bums?

Jake-----I would almost be inclined to believe that the last question is the pertinent one in this case. I really believe that our coaching staff, (at least on the offensive side), are that bad.

 

[Chopper0080]

Again I have to ask how did so many bums end up on our roster? Or should the question be why is it that so many guys on the Cardinal's rosters turn into bums?

Bad scouting, bad decision making and bad luck. Wells was a little dinged up in college, but still had his sinature running style. The scouts should have seen his bad feet and his inexperience in the passing game and advised Whis that he wasn't worth a first round pick. Then we had the bad luck of Wells being unable to overcome the issues he had in college and had his injury issues magnifide.

I don't think Wells was a bad pick in general, but I do believe we took him about a round or two too high. It's my belief that the less a player can do on the field ie special teams, 3rd downs, receive, block the more that player is worth and the less he can do the less he is worth. Wells fits a role for an offense but his inability to play on 3rd downs and on special teams should have dropped his draft value for the Cardinals.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Bad scouting, bad decision making and bad luck. Wells was a little dinged up in college, but still had his sinature running style. The scouts should have seen his bad feet and his inexperience in the passing game and advised Whis that he wasn't worth a first round pick. Then we had the bad luck of Wells being unable to overcome the issues he had in college and had his injury issues magnifide.

I don't think Wells was a bad pick in general, but I do believe we took him about a round or two too high. It's my belief that the less a player can do on the field ie special teams, 3rd downs, receive, block the more that player is worth and the less he can do the less he is worth. Wells fits a role for an offense but his inability to play on 3rd downs and on special teams should have dropped his draft value for the Cardinals.

Nice take, that's how I see it too.

Wells just never was all that good. If he could've stayed healthy, I think he would be a meh first round pick, not great, not terrible, but the injuries and lack of impact are all on him.

 

[Totally_Red]

Bad scouting, bad decision making and bad luck. Wells was a little dinged up in college, but still had his sinature running style. The scouts should have seen his bad feet and his inexperience in the passing game and advised Whis that he wasn't worth a first round pick. Then we had the bad luck of Wells being unable to overcome the issues he had in college and had his injury issues magnifide.

I don't think Wells was a bad pick in general, but I do believe we took him about a round or two too high. It's my belief that the less a player can do on the field ie special teams, 3rd downs, receive, block the more that player is worth and the less he can do the less he is worth. Wells fits a role for an offense but his inability to play on 3rd downs and on special teams should have dropped his draft value for the Cardinals.

Contrast that with THT taken in the 5th round. Yeah he had a fumbling problem, but he contributed on special teams during his first season while learning from Edge and he was an above average pass protector {again learned from James}. Maybe I'm looking through rose-colored glasses, but I have to say Hightower was a better overal pick than Beanie. He's had a couple of good games, but so did Hightower and so has the Howler.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

The Cards, just like the Suns have done in the past, have a tendency to scout players they think will be available to them when their pick comes. Often someone will fall down to them and they have not done their mental preparation on the guy to see why he is falling down the board. They just see him as a great pick who they were lucky enough to have fall to them. I have witnessed the Suns do this many times over the last 30 yrs.

There is a reason most players fall down the board unexpectedly. Teams find out about that player, but don't share the info with the other teams, like the Cards, who fall for the imaginary steal of the draft.

They probably will never learn. They are trying to get lucky, rather than be intelligent. Rule of thumb for smart teams should be:
1. Don't waste a high pick on any injury prone or player who has had a serious injury in college. There are too many other healthy players to choose from.
2. Don't waste a pick on any player who has gotten in trouble with the law. Let the Al Davis's of the world gamble on them.
3. Don't take any player you haven't completely done your homework on, even though they seem like a steal when they fall unexpectedly down the draft boards. Some body knows something that you don't.

 

[Chopper0080]

Contrast that with THT taken in the 5th round. Yeah he had a fumbling problem, but he contributed on special teams during his first season while learning from Edge and he was an above average pass protector {again learned from James}. Maybe I'm looking through rose-colored glasses, but I have to say Hightower was a better overal pick than Beanie. He's had a couple of good games, but so did Hightower and so has the Howler.

It is a close arguement but it comes down to value more than anything. If you can get a starter out of the 5th round, that is great value. Normally those players come with areas of their game they have to correct but they are worth taking a shot on because of their potential value if they are able to correct their issues. Hightower was never a better RB than Wells and neither were really able to overcome their individual issues, but they both had their value. My issue with the Wells pick was he seemed to have more issues than you would prefer in a 1st round pick. None of them were glaring issues, but they still should have dropped him down on their board.

It always seemed to me that the Cardinals were targeting Donald Brown and when he was taken, they panicked and took Wells who they had next on their board even though he never seemed to fit what the Cardinals did on offense.

 

[chickenhead]

Agreed. If Wells could have stayed healthy and on his feet, the Cardinals could have tailored their offense to him more. I was thrilled when Beanie looked like a great power back last year. But unfortunately, when he's out, there's no one to replace his potential skill set, and Beanie missing time has been a given. So that's a personnel matter as well.

 

[Duckjake]

Contrast that with THT taken in the 5th round. Yeah he had a fumbling problem, but he contributed on special teams during his first season while learning from Edge and he was an above average pass protector {again learned from James}. Maybe I'm looking through rose-colored glasses, but I have to say Hightower was a better overal pick than Beanie. He's had a couple of good games, but so did Hightower and so has the Howler.

Hightower was nothing special at all. After his first game taking over for Edge look at the numbers. Horrific. And that was with a prolific passing offense. 1.69 ypc, 3.18, 1.91, 1.00, 2.67, 4.00, 1.70. 7 games in 2009 with less than 3ypc.

The Cards problems running the football have nothing to do with the Running Backs as they have transcended the poor individuals tasked with getting blasted as soon as they take the hand off.

Edgerrin James survived because he was a master at making the first defender miss and turning a 2 yard loss into a 3 yard gain. LSH does ok occasionally because he's quick enough to turn around and run the other way. Guys like Hightower and Wells have no chance running the ball in Arizona.

 

[kerouac9]

Nice take, that's how I see it too.

Wells just never was all that good. If he could've stayed healthy, I think he would be a meh first round pick, not great, not terrible, but the injuries and lack of impact are all on him.

I think it was the last gasp of this franchise drafting for need. Edge was gone and Tim Hightower wasn't all that reliable coming out of the Super Bowl run, and we needed a running back. We really wanted the Brown kid from UConn, but he got snatched up by the Colts, so we settled on Beanie.

I disagree with Chopper on the value of Beanie--I think that his evaluation process is a little skewed--he'd be a solid first round pick (of the Rashard Mendenhall variety) with a team that wanted to use him the right way. He was never going to be as good as Thomas Jones--another player who was mis-cast by the Cards coaching staff--but he could have been a productive runner in the Cedric Benson mold.

31st overall picks rarely become superduperstars.

 

[THESMEL]

based upon whiz

You base the Jones and Hearst comparison on What? The amount of players that were Whizzed on and moved on or the fantastic success players Whiz system has developed over these years.

We really need quick action at firing Graves and deliberate action at getting a player evaluator team supevisor worth a a squirt of Whiz. I still think Beanie is the 3rd or 4th talented player on this team- and more important Than the the other 3 or 4 long term.

I've been wrong before but Matt Leinart wasn't one of them, and neither is Beanie wells! Be careful who you spew poison on- cause this sorry excuse of a Pro football team is bad at every position, every unit, on every squad. and that points to management and coaching, not players.

The one thing I feel I don't need to worry about with Beanie is this, he won't succeed elsewhere. He's no Thomas Jones.

 

[Mitch]

You base the Jones and Hearst comparison on What? The amount of players that were Whizzed on and moved on or the fantastic success players Whiz system has developed over these years.

We really need quick action at firing Graves and deliberate action at getting a player evaluator team supevisor worth a a squirt of Whiz. I still think Beanie is the 3rd or 4th talented player on this team- and more important Than the the other 3 or 4 long term.

I've been wrong before but Matt Leinart wasn't one of them, and neither is Beanie wells! Be careful who you spew poison on- cause this sorry excuse of a Pro football team is bad at every position, every unit, on every squad. and that points to management and coaching, not players.

I applaud you for your faith and loyalty to The Bean---and I am being perfectly serious and ingenuous when I say this: he would be a better player imo if someone like you were coaching him.

Today's athletes, for right or wrong, need to be talked up.

Look at how Horton is allowing PP to talk himself up---you have to DREAM it first---then you have to work hard to achieve it----but along the way you NEED someone to remind you how great you can be, especially when adversity hits, which it always will.

If we look at our offense as is right now---is there any swagger whatsoever in ANY of the players?

When you play a vicious sport like this---you have to bring swagger or at least a quiet confidence, or it just winds up being too painful.

When Whisenhunt drafted Beanie at #31---everyone knew he was a player who needed to be coached up---it's the very reason why an immensely physically talented RB like Wells dropped to the back end of the first round.

The premise had to be---WE can get the best of this kid's enormous talent.

Now---mind you---the player has to meet the coaches at least half way---but, I never saw Beanie get the kind of coaching a player like Beanie needs---in fact, I would say the opposite, as he has spent the majority of the time the last four years in somewhat of a doghouse---or at least the Whisenhunt "not sure what we have in you" limbo.

As we have seen---this has been a poor match.

This is why I want to see what a new coach can do, not just with Wells, but with every player on the current roster.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I applaud you for your faith and loyalty to The Bean---and I am being perfectly serious and ingenuous when I say this: he would be a better player imo if someone like you were coaching him.

Today's athletes, for right or wrong, need to be talked up.

Look at how Horton is allowing PP to talk himself up---you have to DREAM it first---then you have to work hard to achieve it----but along the way you NEED someone to remind you how great you can be, especially when adversity hit, which it always will.

If we look at our offense as is right now---is there any swagger whatsoever in ANY of the players?

When you play a vicious sport like this---you have to bring swagger or at least a quiet confidence, or it just winds up being to painful.

When Whisenhunt drafted Beanie at #31---everyone knew he was a player who needed to be coached up---it's the very reason why an immensely physically talented RB like Wells dropped to the back end of the first round.

The premise had to be---WE can get the best of this kid's enormous talent.

Now---mind you---the player has to meet the coaches at least half way---but, I never saw Beanie get the kind of coaching a player like Beanie needs---in fact, I would say the opposite, as he has spent the majority of the time the last four years in somewhat of a doghouse---or at least the Whisenhunt "not sure what we have in you" limbo.

As we have seen---this has been a poor match.

Don't get tricked Wally... The Smel said the same stuff about Matty... Ya know, sometimes a bust is a bust and a dog is a dog.
Sometimes in life, we all have to try a bit harder to overcome negative perceptions. Both Beanie and Matty were gifted enough where, had they had the desire and brains to match their talent, they should have at minimum, met the expectation level that comes when you are a first rounder. And, if they had just the desire of a Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, RG3, Andrew Luck, or, an Alfred Morris, Marshawn Lynch, Frank Gore and so many others who at one point in their careers were probably told they weren't good enough, smart enough, strong enough...

 

[Jetstream Green]

Bad scouting, bad decision making and bad luck. Wells was a little dinged up in college, but still had his sinature running style. The scouts should have seen his bad feet and his inexperience in the passing game and advised Whis that he wasn't worth a first round pick. Then we had the bad luck of Wells being unable to overcome the issues he had in college and had his injury issues magnifide.

I don't think Wells was a bad pick in general, but I do believe we took him about a round or two too high. It's my belief that the less a player can do on the field ie special teams, 3rd downs, receive, block the more that player is worth and the less he can do the less he is worth. Wells fits a role for an offense but his inability to play on 3rd downs and on special teams should have dropped his draft value for the Cardinals.

I believe we selected Beanie in a almost steal position in the draft. Most had him rated number one in the draft mags. Beanie let himself down and the team which made him a 1st round pick. Some of it had nothing to do with Beanie, but he still was a let down. It is what it is.

 

[Gee!]

Just have this feeling Beanie will be productive if he leaves..

 

[THESMEL]

Wells said

While teams that kick the crap out us of talk about being a family- We have a staff and fanbase kicking players while they are down- The ones that left verbalize it - the ones that stay don't dare say it- and then the ones that will never come under any circumstance demonstrate it!

Was Edge relished as a family member, Kurt, Rolle, Dansby , Q, A Smith Rod Hood, R Marshall, Deuce, I'm just saying you can be tough on a family.

Todd heap went from top character to piece of crap hometown boy in 1 year? Deuce crucified in the press while he remained quiet without a contract- Lets see after a SB - would you want the low ball tender offer- err nope! Maybe a weight and workout clause like other teams encourage players with.

Matt Leinart deal was just ignorant - Graves and Whiz needed fired on the spot! destroy any effort a young QB makes to see how he responds instead of putting him in position to succeed and developing strengths - every QB was treated the same way.

And I have never seen teams administrated like this successfully or unsuccessfully - Yea the Steelers let talent go over money and keep a pipeline of talent that they spread the money too more equally than most.

But they are family and even got pig pens back after several reasons to release him. What other coach or GM have you seen treat players like this?

I applaud you for your faith and loyalty to The Bean---and I am being perfectly serious and ingenuous when I say this: he would be a better player imo if someone like you were coaching him.

Today's athletes, for right or wrong, need to be talked up.

Look at how Horton is allowing PP to talk himself up---you have to DREAM it first---then you have to work hard to achieve it----but along the way you NEED someone to remind you how great you can be, especially when adversity hits, which it always will.

If we look at our offense as is right now---is there any swagger whatsoever in ANY of the players?

When you play a vicious sport like this---you have to bring swagger or at least a quiet confidence, or it just winds up being too painful.

When Whisenhunt drafted Beanie at #31---everyone knew he was a player who needed to be coached up---it's the very reason why an immensely physically talented RB like Wells dropped to the back end of the first round.

The premise had to be---WE can get the best of this kid's enormous talent.

Now---mind you---the player has to meet the coaches at least half way---but, I never saw Beanie get the kind of coaching a player like Beanie needs---in fact, I would say the opposite, as he has spent the majority of the time the last four years in somewhat of a doghouse---or at least the Whisenhunt "not sure what we have in you" limbo.

As we have seen---this has been a poor match.

This is why I want to see what a new coach can do, not just with Wells, but with every player on the current roster.

 

[wierwolf]

Uh.,. Am I missing something? Isn't this the first thousand yard rusher for the cards in how long? Quite awhile and he did it injured. I think he is a good back. But like Williams and Kolb is injury prone. I just wish we could have seen the wells and Williams duo. But they can't stay healthy.

 

[WildBB]

Beannie, imo was too undependable for sure. Even last season when he cracked 1K and we had only him and Howling basically he was dinged up much of the year.

This yr. when we needed him just as much he's still got issues staying out there. But the IR situation was mishandled as well. Not his fault. By the time he got back against St. Lou the season was almost shot with no room for a stumble.

In fairness to Wells, the last three seasons were all played with sub par QB's and a average OL at best. Teams stacking the box on 1st and 2nd downs daring the sub par QB's to throw it up for grabs.

Beannie's game vs. the Lions may be his farwell, but like Mitch pointed out in an earlier post, he's also been a scapegoat for the last three seasons and he hasn't really had much to work with. His run around the corner for a 30 yd. score entices you what he can do and is capable of when he does have the blocking and the incentive to give that little bit more. He should always have it and usually does but that's where the coaching comes in and we don't have enough motivators it seems starting with the OC and a HC who pulled him too soon in the Chic. game. Sure sit him out a quarter or whatever but give the guy a chance to redeem himself. No....No such policy here. Usually players reward coaches for another chance in the games. IF they lay it down again..sure take aggressive action.

With a coaching change let them evaluate him, then you'll be glad that we kept the Beanner. Even in a limited roll, he'll get you into the End Zone - as seen in the effort vs. Detroit. He'll start rolling over defenders when on a roll along with the OL. Even though his durability remains a primary concern, I can see him sticking on next yr. Despite what he says. It's up to the FO and coach and we might very well see changes all around there, but not as much with the vets as some may think. At least for next yr.

 

[gmabel830]

You base the Jones and Hearst comparison on What? The amount of players that were Whizzed on and moved on or the fantastic success players Whiz system has developed over these years.

We really need quick action at firing Graves and deliberate action at getting a player evaluator team supevisor worth a a squirt of Whiz. I still think Beanie is the 3rd or 4th talented player on this team- and more important Than the the other 3 or 4 long term.

I've been wrong before but Matt Leinart wasn't one of them, and neither is Beanie wells! Be careful who you spew poison on- cause this sorry excuse of a Pro football team is bad at every position, every unit, on every squad. and that points to management and coaching, not players.

Between Leinart's Lindleyan performance against the vaunted Panthers defense and Beanie's slip six, it really was a banner day for the THESMEL All-Stars on Sunday, wasn't it?

 

[AZ Native]

Just have this feeling Beanie will be productive if he leaves..

What? Did his falling down stepping on a blade of grass and them fumbling the football for a defensive touchdown bring you to this conclusion? Typical U of A reasoning.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I applaud you for your faith and loyalty to The Bean---and I am being perfectly serious and ingenuous when I say this: he would be a better player imo if someone like you were coaching him.

Today's athletes, for right or wrong, need to be talked up.

Look at how Horton is allowing PP to talk himself up---you have to DREAM it first---then you have to work hard to achieve it----but along the way you NEED someone to remind you how great you can be, especially when adversity hits, which it always will.

If we look at our offense as is right now---is there any swagger whatsoever in ANY of the players?

When you play a vicious sport like this---you have to bring swagger or at least a quiet confidence, or it just winds up being too painful.

When Whisenhunt drafted Beanie at #31---everyone knew he was a player who needed to be coached up---it's the very reason why an immensely physically talented RB like Wells dropped to the back end of the first round.

The premise had to be---WE can get the best of this kid's enormous talent.

Now---mind you---the player has to meet the coaches at least half way---but, I never saw Beanie get the kind of coaching a player like Beanie needs---in fact, I would say the opposite, as he has spent the majority of the time the last four years in somewhat of a doghouse---or at least the Whisenhunt "not sure what we have in you" limbo.

As we have seen---this has been a poor match.

This is why I want to see what a new coach can do, not just with Wells, but with every player on the current roster.

I totally disagree.

In today's NFL, personal responsibility for one's own career is at a premium. Teams don't have time for Beanie Wells to figure it out, he has to figure it out on his own.

Gone are the days that a player can sit back and learn for a few years before they are thrown in the action. Beanie Wells is responsible for himself, not Coach Whisenhunt.

The problem is, like Chopper stated, Beanie Wells is an extremely flawed player. He's not good in the passing game and despite anything he's done in training camp, minicamps, or on his own, he's never really gotten any better.

Also his upright running style leads to more injuries and he's tripped up too easily. That's his own fault. Rarely do runners change their running style, just like QBs don't change their throwing style.

Beanie Wells' issues are scouting issues. I mean we could've taken Shady McCoy, but the Whisenhunt/Graves decision making tree screwed up.

 

[WildBB]

Also his upright running style leads to more injuries and he's tripped up too easily. That's his own fault. Rarely do runners change their running style, just like QBs don't change their throwing style.

Beanie Wells' issues are scouting issues. I mean we could've taken Shady McCoy, but the Whisenhunt/Graves decision making tree screwed up.

He's got some flaws and some strengths. When he gets going he's really tough to stop. It's just too few and far between. He can be a beast when healthy, but that's just too little of the time as well.

As far a McCoy goes, yeah he would've been a nice pick and the NFL has really developed into even more a passing league and multi-back league than when these two were even drafted. Fitz was also pushing for his Pitt alumni as far as I remember. But they waited to draft LSH later on.

I wanted Brown out of UConn but he got snatched up by the Colts just before us. I think that's who the Cards were targeting as well from what I read just before that draft....and he's basically done squat.