Rebuttle: In Defense of Amare, Calling out Coach and GM!

[msdundee]

Yes, this unconscionable abuse of Amare must be stopped immediately. Enough is enough. It is unfair and unreasonable to expect him to play hard at both ends of the floor.

 

[arwillan]

Yes, this unconscionable abuse of Amare must be stopped immediately. Enough is enough. It is unfair and unreasonable to expect him to play hard at both ends of the floor.

haha, it's rather unfortunate that we can't expect that out of our most talented player.

 

[cly2tw]

Yes, this unconscionable abuse of Amare must be stopped immediately. Enough is enough. It is unfair and unreasonable to expect him to play hard at both ends of the floor.

Right, just deal him if you can't force him into submission to voluntarily buy into your team concept that's all about glorifying Nash, having an eye-pleasing running style in the regular season while getting the butts kicked in the playoffs.

PS: Actually, the problem is exactly you guys are saying something like "Let Nash worry about offense, Amare work on defense while playing decoy to Nash on offense" and call it as "playing hard on both ends". That's so hypocritical!

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I think the strangest thing in this thread is the attempt by some to turn Nash into a selfish type player.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

All nash cares about is leading the league in assists. I dont see how anyone could be so selfish, caring only about passing the ball and his team scoring. Maybe if he wasnt so obsessed with himself he would take some more shots and become a black hole every once in a while.

 

[msdundee]

Right, just deal him if you can't force him into submission to voluntarily buy into your team concept that's all about glorifying Nash, having an eye-pleasing running style in the regular season while getting the butts kicked in the playoffs.

PS: Actually, the problem is exactly you guys are saying something like "Let Nash worry about offense, Amare work on defense while playing decoy to Nash on offense" and call it as "playing hard on both ends". That's so hypocritical!

We are not saying anything of the sort, so don't put that drivel in quotes. I don't want to deal Amare now and never have.

My concept definitely IS a team concept and it's not anywhere near as ridiculously melodramatic as glorifying any other player, using Amare as a "decoy" or "forcing him into submission." The idea that he's just too smart to buy into the conspiracy to motivate him solely for the benefit of others made me laugh, btw.

Amare himself has identified what he needs to do and we just want him to do it -- give some serious effort for his average 31 minutes of play. He's our highly touted big man who has demonstrated the ability to play defense when he feels like it and we want him to feel like it more often. He's a crucial part of this TEAM with the size and strength to make a big difference, as we've seen in the last two games, but the last two were gimme games. Against the better teams he'll have to work a littler harder, something I'm hoping to see because we need Amare's offense and we need his defense. Win or lose, nobody will criticize him if we just see that effort.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

We are not saying anything of the sort, so don't put that drivel in quotes. I don't want to deal Amare now and never have.

My concept definitely IS a team concept and it's not anywhere near as ridiculously melodramatic as glorifying any other player, using Amare as a "decoy" or "forcing him into submission." The idea that he's just too smart to buy into the conspiracy to motivate him solely for the benefit of others made me laugh, btw.

Amare himself has identified what he needs to do and we just want him to do it -- give some serious effort for his average 31 minutes of play. He's our highly touted big man who has demonstrated the ability to play defense when he feels like it and we want him to feel like it more often. He's a crucial part of this TEAM with the size and strength to make a big difference, as we've seen in the last two games, but the last two were gimme games. Against the better teams he'll have to work a littler harder, something I'm hoping to see because we need Amare's offense and we need his defense. Win or lose, nobody will criticize him if we just see that effort.

The problem is Amare isn't the only problem, him playing harder only gets you so far.

There are some major issues on this team in philosophy, there is a power struggle going on.

I think it is an astute observation that Nash and Dan Tony are on the same page if not somewhat pigheaded about their offense. They (Especially Dan Tony) want a team that runs and hoists threes endlessly. Marion for 3 at 28% is better than grinding it out and slowing it down inside with Amare at 58%. Because in the Dan Tony world Amare is getting the rebounds and Bell/Marion/Hill and Barbosa are shooting it for distance. That will never happen.

The thing that frustrates me is that Amare is taking all the blame for a system that has proven to not be good enough over a seven game series vs tough teams. And now the burden is on Amare to make the flawed system, less flawed.

Yes the last few seasons the Suns got close but they are a year older and they have devloped horrible habbits across the board. Por Ejemplo

Bell is much more offense oriented than he used to be and at a sacrifice of his defense. He has fallen in love with his three point stats he plays average defense now. Why is that?

Barbosa is a black hole and always has been, but when you are not shooting well, then let's try something else for a few minuets? maybe? the guy has no control limits who's fault is that? Amare's for not getting the offensive rebound of course, His defense has actually regressed!

Diaw, has regressed but of course it's Amare's fault and Boris would be so much better if Amare didn't exist. His defense has regressed as well btw.

Marion pumps up three after three at a 28% clip and there is no call outs, no articles, nothing. Because this is good in the Dan Tony system.

So essentially this fun ball system has created an environment where role players have gotten a taste of offense and they likes them some offense. 2005 was even worse for the long term because many of those role players were the focal point of the offense and now they don't want to give that up.

I guess after the season is over we can blame Amare, deal him for a defensive minded player who is probably less talented than Amare and take yet another run at it with soft Diaw, inconsistent Barbosa, an old Nash, and old Hill, an old Bell an old Marion and co..but what happens when it fails again? and the team Amare is delt to suddenly becomes a contender? the AC Green year strike s a familiar ring for some reason.

 

[taz02]

The problem is clearly the system and or chemistry. No team has more individual tallent. I think treesquid has a good point, although a little dramatic. The role players on this team take too many shots away from other players mainly amare.

when you think of role players you think of a 3 point specialist, rebounder "thug", versitile sixth man, or maybe a defensive specialist that compliments 2 maybe 3 core players. The problem here is that everyone has the same role, Run and shoot. This worked great in the beginning. We had young players and took alot of teams by suprise. Those days are over.

The only way this system beats SA or even the lakers in a seven game series is if a couple guys shoot lights out from 3. Very unlikely in the playoffs against a talented well coahed team.

Last year is all the evidence we need. Game 2 of the second round is not the time to implement a new starting line up. Starting KT was obvious to most everyone before the playoffs started. When it was finaly done it seemed desperate and was too late IMO.

 

[slinslin]

Amare is averaging 21 ppg 9 rpg and more than 2 bpg in just 31mpg which is terrific.

If he played the in the playoffs usual 38 minutes per game or more like other players do in the regular season he would be averaging ~25ppg 11rpg 3bpg

 

[dodie53]

Amare is averaging 21 ppg 9 rpg and more than 2 bpg in just 31mpg which is terrific.

If he played the in the playoffs usual 38 minutes per game or more like other players do in the regular season he would be averaging ~25ppg 11rpg 3bpg

maybe more.

 

[BC867]

Last year is all the evidence we need. Game 2 of the second round is not the time to implement a new starting line up. Starting KT was obvious to most everyone before the playoffs started. When it was finaly done it seemed desperate and was too late IMO.

Yes, indeed. Picture a marching band that practices and performs all year long a certain way.

Then tries something brand new in the Rose Bowl parade, while competing with the best.

You've got to go with what got you there. And if that's not good enough, you've got to change before the big parade.

Especially after failing for three consecutive years.