Receivers Lack Confidence in Leinart

[PJ1]

Somers believes the wide receivers have lost confidence in Matt so it is fact that they have? Not one WR quoted. Just noise in my opinion. I don't care how much he is around them.

Matt has to worry about getting better but this group of WR's will bust their ass for him and make his job easier. I give them more credit than to say they are whining about how the QB threw a bad pass.

 

[CardLogic]

I read Somers blog. The headline is not taken out of context in anyway. Somers states VERY CLEARLY in the blog that the WR's have lost confidence.

No, Shane, those were not Somer's words. At question is the phrase lost confidence. There are two possible meanings in that phrase: 1.) lost confidence; as in gone - the WR's confidence in Leinart is gone. 2.) lessened; as in eroded - which is specifically what Somer's stated.

Here are Somer's words:

"Most importantly, Leinart has to re-gain the trust of his receivers. Everyone can say all the right things about believing in him, but Leinart's inaccuracy this season eroded confidence among the receiving corps.

Further the quote implys that "Everyone" is saying they believe in Leinart. Everyone, I assume, includes the WR's.

There is nothing in that article that detracts from the fact that the WR's don't have confidence in Matt like the headline states. Thats a fact.

Here again you are extrapolating meaning. That not a fact, there are no facts included in the story. There may be, and very likely is, a lessened confidence in Matt. Less than Matt previously held, less than in Warner, or both. What is clearly not stated is that there is NO confidence in Leinat's ability.

They don't come any better than Somers. He isn't the journalist that is going to throw crap on the wall and hope that it sticks. He knows those players and what they think. he spends a lot of time with them on a daily basis. If he printed it you can pretty much guarantee that it is what it is.

What they think? Really? You mean, what he thinks they think. Because even though "everyone is saying all the right things about believing in Leinart", Somers thinks that the WR's confidence is either not as high as it was with Warner at QB (Well, DUH!) or not as high as it once was with Leinart as the starter.

moot.

+5

Can you explain why a player "better find confidence in Leinart"

Because if Warner retires this off-season Leinart will be the Cardinals starting QB in 2010, I can't think of a "better" reason.


Imo, PJ pretty much nails it, writers must have something to write about during the off-season:

Somers believes the wide receivers have lost confidence in Matt so it is fact that they have? Not one WR quoted. Just noise in my opinion. I don't care how much he is around them.

Matt has to worry about getting better but this group of WR's will bust their ass for him and make his job easier. I give them more credit than to say they are whining about how the QB threw a bad pass.

 

[TJ]

Shane H + Matt Leinart = BFFs

 

[Buckybird]

Shane H + Matt Leinart = BFFs

I'm quite sure it was really Shane's beer bong party a few years back & Leinart just showed up

 

[Shane]

No, Shane, those were not Somer's words. At question is the phrase lost confidence. There are two possible meanings in that phrase: 1.) lost confidence; as in gone - the WR's confidence in Leinart is gone. 2.) lessened; as in eroded - which is specifically what Somer's stated.

Here are Somer's words:
Further the quote implys that "Everyone" is saying they believe in Leinart. Everyone, I assume, includes the WR's.

Here again you are extrapolating meaning. That not a fact, there are no facts included in the story. There may be, and very likely is, a lessened confidence in Matt. Less than Matt previously held, less than in Warner, or both. What is clearly not stated is that there is NO confidence in Leinat's ability.
What they think? Really? You mean, what he thinks they think. Because even though "everyone is saying all the right things about believing in Leinart", Somers thinks that the WR's confidence is either not as high as it was with Warner at QB (Well, DUH!) or not as high as it once was with Leinart as the starter.

+5

Because if Warner retires this off-season Leinart will be the Cardinals starting QB in 2010, I can't think of a "better" reason.


Imo, PJ pretty much nails it, writers must have something to write about during the off-season:

I could go along with you guys in this if it were just some national beat writer saying it. Or someone like Gambo or Bickley etc....

But not Kent Somers. Like I said they don't come any better and he isnt the guy that just throws crap on the wall hoping it sticks. He is fair and impartial. He has been covering the Cards impartially for 10 years or more and doing it well. He is a guy those players aren't afraid to talk to. You HAVE to put stock in the things he writes.

He isn't the guy who just drums up stuff to get readers. many of you should know this and if you don't after watching/following this team all these years that's pretty sad.

Like I said earlier if its in print by Somers IMO you can pretty much bank on it.

 

[Shane]

I'm quite sure it was really Shane's beer bong party a few years back & Leinart just showed up

How did you know?

 

[Dayman]

Of the 29 quarterbacks taken in the top 10 over the last 20 years, only Andre Ware and Matthew Stafford (for obvious reasons) have less starts in their first 4 years than Leinart. Mark Sanchez has already started more if you count the postseason. I think Leinart deserves a little more time to prove himself as a starter.

 

[earthsci]

...have less starts...

:BIM:
fewer starts

But I totally agree with what you are saying!

 

[CardLogic]

I could go along with you guys in this if it were just some national beat writer saying it. Or someone like Gambo or Bickley etc....

But not Kent Somers. Like I said they don't come any better and he isnt the guy that just throws crap on the wall hoping it sticks. He is fair and impartial. He has been covering the Cards impartially for 10 years or more and doing it well. He is a guy those players aren't afraid to talk to. You HAVE to put stock in the things he writes.

He isn't the guy who just drums up stuff to get readers. many of you should know this and if you don't after watching/following this team all these years that's pretty sad.

Like I said earlier if its in print by Somers IMO you can pretty much bank on it.

And my point is: I am not questioning what Somers put in print, just your interpretation of it!

But whatever, Leinart must improve his performance over what we have seen... I think we can all agree on that!

 

[Shane]

And my point is: I am not questioning what Somers put in print, just your interpretation of it!

But whatever, Leinart must improve his performance over what we have seen...

I think we can all agree on that!

My interpretation is quite simply that he believes and SOMETHING made him believe that the WR's have lost confidence in Matt. Based on who he is and his reputation I am willing to bet that he got it from the horses mouth IE the WR's.

I think that's a fair assumption.

And yes we can all agree on that.

 

[Dayman]

:BIM:
fewer starts

But I totally agree with what you are saying!

Man, I'm getting lazy in my message board posting. Nice catch.

 

[Mulli]

My interpretation is quite simply that he believes and SOMETHING made him believe that the WR's have lost confidence in Matt. Based on who he is and his reputation I am willing to bet that he got it from the horses mouth IE the WR's.

I think that's a fair assumption.

And yes we can all agree on that.

I would be willing to bet it wasn't Fitz who said it. It was more likely the loud mouthed old WR.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I would be willing to bet it wasn't Fitz who said it. It was more likely the loud mouthed old WR.

What if no WR's said it, young or old??? What if Whiz, or Grimm, or Miller gave him this perception?? Hmmmmm....

 

[MrYeahBut]

What if no WR's said it, young or old??? What if Whiz, or Grimm, or Miller gave him this perception?? Hmmmmm....

What if 82 gave him this perception?? Hmmmmm.....

 

[82CardsGrad]

What if 82 gave him this perception?? Hmmmmm.....

What of 82 is Somers??

Hmmmmmmm.....

 

[MrYeahBut]

What of 82 is Somers??

Hmmmmmmm.....

You know you could be right...maybe it was Shane..Hmmmm

 

[CardLogic]

My interpretation is quite simply that he believes and SOMETHING made him believe that the WR's have lost confidence in Matt.

Except Somer's word was eroded not lost. And seeing your respect for Somer you understand that he makes his living by his choice of words.

So does that mean less confidence than before (my contention) or no confidence (your contention)? There's a wide gap between the two perspectives.

 

[Shane]

Except Somer's word was eroded not lost. And seeing your respect for Somer you understand that he makes his living by his choice of words.

So does that mean less confidence than before (my contention) or no confidence (your contention)? There's a wide gap between the two perspectives.

I don't believe it means none or zero confidence. I think it means quite simply they have lost confidence. That doesn't mean all. Eroded/lost either way it's semantics and word play. To believe there is nothing to the story IMO is naive.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

Its much to do about nothing. Of course the WR's don't trust Matt like they do Kurt. Why? Because Matt is NOT Kurt. Nobody is. In a timing offense the one thing you need is "TIMING". Comes with practice. Lets see how the season starts.

And don't forget, Kurt was NOT that good until about week 4. We gave him 4 pre-season games and 4 regular season games just to get into a rhythm.

 

[jefftheshark]

If I was Anquan, I wouldn't spend a whole lot of time worrying about how "confident" I was in Leinart, and more time thinking about how confident I'm going to be in Cutler or Palmer.

JTS

 

[CardLogic]

To believe there is nothing to the story IMO is naive.

Oh, somebody said sumpin'... No doubt.

Just not much.

 

[ajcardfan]

They don't come any better than Somers. He isn't the journalist that is going to throw crap on the wall and hope that it sticks. He knows those players and what they think. he spends a lot of time with them on a daily basis. If he printed it you can pretty much guarantee that it is what it is.

He hasn't always been right on his speculation. I'll give you one example. He was the guy who said Fitz was going to be a cancer because Green was fired. He wrote that during this time of year, right after Whisenhunt was hired. He was way wrong.


That said.... as for this story, I'm sure he's right. But... I say...

DUH

Of course they don't have the confidence in Leinart that they have in Warner. Short of Peyton Manning or Drew Brees taking over, they won't have has much confidence in ANY QB who takes over post-Warner compared to the confidence they had in Kurt.

 

[Syracusecards]

This is off topic a bit, but my biggest beef is with QB Coach Chris Miller. I read an article a few weeks back about how he and Fitz are really close because every day after practice he throws 30 balls to Fitz and then they have an accuracy contest. This was right after Leinart stunk up the joint against Green Bay and my first thought was "hmmm....MAYBE YOU SHOULD BE WORKING WITH THE QB OF THE FUTURE INSTEAD OF TRYING TO RE-LIVE YOUR GLORY DAYS AND PLAYING GAMES"!!!! See the below link. I'm probably overreacting but it really pissed me off, especially after seeing Leinart regress to the point he looks worse than his rookie year.

http://www.registerguard.com/csp/cm...34704-41/miller-coach-nfl-cardinals-chris.csp

 

[Capital Card]

I don't know if Leinart can do it or not, but I think if Warner does call it a career, we almost have to give Matt one last season to see what he can do.

Given that the last two seasons he entered as a starter ended with him on IR, if Warner retires, we're going to be in the market for two QB's this offseason.

On the plus side, I have all the confidence in the world that Whiz and staff will change our offense to play to whatever strength's Leinart does posses. Let's not forget that Whiz rode a very raw Rothlisburger to a SB victory.

Go Cards!!!