Noted. Back on the Koolaid-bong.
Red / White Scrimmage Report
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Noted. Back on the Koolaid-bong.
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Hahah some stupid Eagles fan was sitting near my group at Buffalo Wild Wings. He was bitching about the Cards and their fanbase and running his mouth. Then I find out the Eagles had 6500 fans today and the Cardinals had 14,500 and tossed that back at him. Our "nonexistent fan base draws more than double the wanna be Birdgang".
He got all pissy and left.
He got all pissy and left.
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Did I miss something last year? Didn't Marshall take Jefferson's spot? According to profootball-reference.com our starting secondary the last 9 games of the season was Peterson/Marshall/Johnson/Wilson with the exception of the Bengals game where Rhodes was able to play.
Before that it was Jefferson instead of Marshall. So if Marshall was playing Safety instead of Johnson who was playing the other CB, Adams? Heck knowing Horton Acho was probably playing Safety, Wilson OLB, and Dockett LCB half the time.
OK I'm buying NFL replay. I'm too old to remember all this stuff. Used to be able to remember every play from every game and who was where and did what.
Marshall took Johnson's spot as the replacement for Kerry Rhodes when Rhodes got hurt. Marshall started a lot of games because he was the essentially the 4th DB. When the Cards tired of A.J. Jefferson being awful, they put Marshall at corner. When the Cards went to a 5 DB package, they brought in Mike Adams as the 5th DB.
The Cards trusted Richard Marshall at safety, in a new system at a position he'd never played in his career, on a team that he'd been been for two and a half months, over Rashad Johnson, a guy who had been with the staff for two seasons. Embarrassing.
So psyched about our fan base showing up like that! Probably didn't expect it to be that hot/humid out though!! LOL
It's starting to seem obvious though that we don't have a good QB no matter who it is. We're going to end up settling for the least-sucky QB on our roster. Totally depressing. I know some people have been saying this over and over, but I had hoped someone would break out, show some dominance at the position (compared to the next sucky guy) but that isn't even happening. They're all sucking together and equally. Such an opportunity for Skelton and Kolb both and yet neither is able to take this team by the throat and force a decision. It comes down to whether you want INT's in the red zone or a dude who can't move the ball. Very discouraging.
And let's not pretend like practice doesn't matter. It does when you're fighting for a starting job. Both these guys suck something so awful that the coach and players can't even decide who sucks less. If either of them had progressed and learned so much in the offseason we'd be seeing that right now. It would be clear. Instead it's last year all over again. If either had improved dramatically, it would have shown after just a few practices and it hasn't.
And let's not pretend like practice doesn't matter. It does when you're fighting for a starting job. Both these guys suck something so awful that the coach and players can't even decide who sucks less. If either of them had progressed and learned so much in the offseason we'd be seeing that right now. It would be clear. Instead it's last year all over again. If either had improved dramatically, it would have shown after just a few practices and it hasn't.
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Dont jump to too much of a conclusion. I have spent a lot of time in TC and have seen Kurt freaking Warner look terrible at times. Yes even a few practices in a row.
Also the D is traditionally way ahead of the O. Happens every year. Why i don't really know but just is. Red and White practice was much earlier than normal and one would expect the O to be a little more sloppy.
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These guys have been in camp for three days. I was impressed with the pace of the scrimmage and the sense of organization I saw on both sides of the ball, courtesy of NFL Network. Both QBs are going to be scrutinized to the hilt---it is what it is. Will post on this tomorrow.
Two things on offense I liked:
The second team o-line of Massie---Batsite---Wedige---Kelelmete---Young looked solid---and RB William Powell, sneaky quick getting the ball into the end zone on two occasions.
On defense---from what I saw: Haggans is a real pro---playing like a man on second team---Walker and Larry Parker (one of my super sleepers) for their interceptions---Bethel with the big stop in goal-line.
As for Skelton, he looked like he was being too careful---which is what I worry about when the scrutiny is this intense.
Two things on offense I liked:
The second team o-line of Massie---Batsite---Wedige---Kelelmete---Young looked solid---and RB William Powell, sneaky quick getting the ball into the end zone on two occasions.
On defense---from what I saw: Haggans is a real pro---playing like a man on second team---Walker and Larry Parker (one of my super sleepers) for their interceptions---Bethel with the big stop in goal-line.
As for Skelton, he looked like he was being too careful---which is what I worry about when the scrutiny is this intense.
Bolded: to me it also seems like he's playing careful and you can't do that. Leinart tried and it didn't matter that he was the best QB on our team, they brought in DA (the opposite of careful) to replace him. Skelton needs to let it rip and let the cards (no pun) fall where they fall.
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Was definitely Kolb and that was a good throw. AJ just made a better play. Was right on Floyd's hip
Not jumping to any conclusions, I've seen training camps play out of a # of decades. My only point is that considering how bad both QB's were last year, that if one of them had made significant progress it would have shown itself. If either of them had made decent progress it wouldn't be hard to separate themselves from the bad play of the other.
No matter who's camp it is, it wouldn't and shouldn't be hard to separate yourself from either Kolb or Skelton, yet we see neither player able to do it against the other. The first camps are the most important, the moment when you want to show what you've learned, when you're the most focused and trying your best to make an impression, and all I see and hear is more crap play.
All the talk about the new QB coach and footwork and blah blah, but I see nothing different from the year before (even without practice). Nothing. Sure, it's only been 3 practices, but I see the same INT's, the same inability to move the ball. Show me one area of improvement, just one!?
It's not like we're in a vacuum here: there are other teams with QB problems (look at Miami), equally bad, but they have QB's who are clearly leading that controversy, who have shown improvement over the other. We have none of that.
Yes, the defense always starts out fast in camps, that's been historically true, and I think we have a good defense, but that's no excuse not to show improvement at QB over the next guy. They're both playing against the same defense--you mean to tell me one dude can't separate himself from the other?
In camps so far, what is the difference between Skelton and Lindley? What one thing in camp separates them? It's hard to tell, which is totally ridiculous. Skelton has a huge advantage over the rook. What's the difference between Kolb and Skelton? Not very much, if anything.
It's not jumping the gun or jumping to some type of conclusion. It's the inability of even the coaches, the players, the fans to differentiate between the suckage. They all suck in different ways.
Like I said it is the third day of camp. IMO you are jumping to conclusions. Also by the sounds of it and Chris reports Kolb has been separating himself if even slightly. Got a long training camp and 5 pre season games. Deep breaths.
Like I said it is the third day of camp. IMO you are jumping to conclusions. Also by the sounds of it and Chris reports Kolb has been separating himself if even slightly. Got a long training camp and 5 pre season games. Deep breaths.
You're right of course, I just expected more. The kind of improvement I was looking for would have separated one from the other. This type of improvement, if you can call it that, is incremental at best.
Look at camps so far, you hear Dockett's name sacking a dude or jumping off sides or doing whatever. Very aggressive, ready to take it to dudes, even in training camp. Look at Ryan Williams man, coming off the worst type of injury for a back you can ever have, he's making plays and cuts and running well and getting mentioned. Even got blasted by Adub and shook it off. That's the kind of improvement and impact you want to see. PP got mentioned, with the one-handed INT.
Pretty much everyone who is good on our team has been mentioned for a good play except for our QB's. Nobody can tell me it doesn't matter.
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Great reports, good job man. Not to sound like THESMEL, but if we are going to be successful it seems as though our O will require a lot more balance. Love the stuff about Ryan Williams, but man... both QB reports bummed me out.
Those pics made me miss Flagstaff. Lived there for 5 years during college, would love to go back. They do need more sports bars though. They have that Buffalo Wild Wings you're at and Grannies Closet... and thats about it.
Those pics made me miss Flagstaff. Lived there for 5 years during college, would love to go back. They do need more sports bars though. They have that Buffalo Wild Wings you're at and Grannies Closet... and thats about it.
early scrimmage likely due to the hall of fame game.....next sunday aint it??.....IMO we desperately need the extra game this pre season...get some live action for both QB's....Williams,...and Floyd........we need three of those four to perform well this season and the extra work helps.
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We are at Grannies Closet now. Cards cheerleaders are showing up soon.
Halfway through the Cards pub crawl. I really want to be signed by the team for a day
I for one think the extra game gives us a large advantage over other teams early in the season. And we'll need it because we have a tough schedule.
I really miss those days. I am glad for the team and glad there are more Cardinals fans. But I do miss the old days of training camp in Flagstaff!
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It's a double-edged sword. To me, the most important thing about preseason is staying healthy. The extra game adds risk that we lose guys for significant amount of time. I was not thrilled getting the HOF game. And, since we don't a have starting QB yet, we will play our 1s more than usual to make that decision.
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I still don't get it. Rhodes wasn't out until after the Minnesota game. When did Marshall take over for Rashad? Johnson is listed as the starter in 9 games one less than Rhodes missed. Marshall is not listed as starter anywhere but CB after Rhodes injury. Were they using Marshall as the 3rd safety instead of Johnson before Rhodes was injured?
Was Johnson starting and then being benched? There are only two games, Pitt and Balt, after Rhodes was injured where Marshall is not listed as the starter at CB. But Rashad is listed as starting safety in both those games yet Marshall has better #'s.
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Chris, thanks for the excellent update from the sidelines. Your real calling is being a beat reporter for an NFL team!! I'll be up there next week for the evening practice on Wednesday.
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I still don't get it. Rhodes wasn't out until after the Minnesota game. When did Marshall take over for Rashad? Johnson is listed as the starter in 9 games one less than Rhodes missed. Marshall is not listed as starter anywhere but CB after Rhodes injury. Were they using Marshall as the 3rd safety instead of Johnson before Rhodes was injured?
Was Johnson starting and then being benched? There are only two games, Pitt and Balt, after Rhodes was injured where Marshall is not listed as the starter at CB. But Rashad is listed as starting safety in both those games yet Marshall has better #'s.
You're not the one confused, Kerouac is.
If you read what he says he basically says that Marshall started at cornerback AND at safety because Jefferson and Johnson both sucked. The problem is he couldn't have started at BOTH. He started at CB for Jefferson after he had a meltdown of epic proportions against Baltimore. And Johnson started at FS and while not bad, had the most mediocre of performances you could ever expect from a DB.
Marshall was the utility outfielder last year. When you brought Wilson up into the box, typically we saw Marshall playing FS and Rashad swung over to cover the SS vacated with Wilson up in the box. Marshall and RJohnson were all over the field last year in the defensive secondary. Both played well, I thought.
