Remember when Aaron Rodgers got benched for being awful his first season starting?

[kerouac9]

Oh, that never happened?

Are we sure?

Okay. So maybe we should stop comparing Aaron Rodgers and Kevin Kolb.

 

[Russ Smith]

Oh, that never happened?

Are we sure?

Okay. So maybe we should stop comparing Aaron Rodgers and Kevin Kolb.

I wouldn't want to ruin a good rant with facts but you may want to look at the 4th start of Rodgers first season as a starter in 08.

Lost to Tampa, threw 3 picks and got pulled late in the game for Matt Flynn, and that was a 9 point loss not a total blowout.

Again not saying Kolb will ever be as good as Rodgers but you're initial premise is completely wrong, the exact same thing happened to Rodgers his first year starting, just one week earlier. Technically Rodgers hurt his shoulder but they brought him back in, he threw another pick and was pulled. But started the next game and played the rest of the season.

I don't really say any advantage to benching Kolb but I'm up for anything now with a bye week.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Who has been comparing those two?

 

[Jetstream Green]

The coaches Whis has assembled are incapable of implementing any changes for the better

 

[Russ Smith]

Who has been comparing those two?

Actually Whis did a couple of days ago he said their career paths are similar sat a few years now starting.

Obviously Rodgers was better when he got the job, he had some problems now and then his first year starting but he was much better than Kolb has been so far.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I remember a lot of people calling Rodgers a bust after his first year, I thought he was a bust. I'm more cautious about doing that with Kolb now. I do not think Kolb will be as good as Rodgers has become, but he can be a QB...BUT do we have the coaches around him to make that possible?

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Oh, that never happened?

Are we sure?

Okay. So maybe we should stop comparing Aaron Rodgers and Kevin Kolb.

Did Rodgers have starting offensive tackles like jones and bridges?

I'm leery of blaming poor QB play on an offensive line, but the starting duo referenced above is laughable. Full on ridiculous.

Get Kolb some decent OTs so its at least a fair evaluation.

 

[Pariah]

This team is garbage, and I might be getting onboard the "fire whiz" bandwagon, but Kolb is okay. ....maybe not what we gave up for him, and certainly not Rodgers, but okay.

Jmho

 

[kerouac9]

I wouldn't want to ruin a good rant with facts but you may want to look at the 4th start of Rodgers first season as a starter in 08.

Lost to Tampa, threw 3 picks and got pulled late in the game for Matt Flynn, and that was a 9 point loss not a total blowout.

Again not saying Kolb will ever be as good as Rodgers but you're initial premise is completely wrong, the exact same thing happened to Rodgers his first year starting, just one week earlier. Technically Rodgers hurt his shoulder but they brought him back in, he threw another pick and was pulled. But started the next game and played the rest of the season.

I don't really say any advantage to benching Kolb but I'm up for anything now with a bye week.

I know you're taking up for your boy who you stood up for all preseason and want to succeed, but there's no reason to straight-up make up stuff to support this complete bust:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2008092806/2008/REG4/packers@buccaneers#tab=recap

Noteworthy
Aaron Rodgers injured his shoulder in the fourth quarter and sat out two series of the game (rookie Matt Flynn stepped in) before returning.

So, you know, there's that.

Arizona's Finest and Russ have been comparing Kolb and Aaron Rodgers since the trade was made.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

no i don't

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Kolb is okay. ....maybe not what we gave up for him, and certainly not Rodgers, but okay.

Well, we did give up a ton for him, and we did give him a gigantic contract, so that has to be part of the equation.

Further, he's not even sniffing the top 15 of qb's, which all things considered, is pretty depressing. Maybe he improves, but he's been in the league a long time, and there are several rookies have performed better.

If anything, he's continued to regress since the preseason. I thought he looked alright in the preseason, hit a couple lucky throws against sell out blitzes by Carolina, and has been pretty awful since. QBOTF? Possibly, but not many encouraging signs yet.

 

[Russ Smith]

I know you're taking up for your boy who you stood up for all preseason and want to succeed, but there's no reason to straight-up make up stuff to support this complete bust:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2008092806/2008/REG4/packers@buccaneers#tab=recap



So, you know, there's that.

Arizona's Finest and Russ have been comparing Kolb and Aaron Rodgers since the trade was made.

I didn't make it up, I said he came out technically with a bruised left shoulder and then went back in. He immediately threw a pick and got pulled for the rest of the game. He got pulled because he'd thrown 3 picks. Yes he did hurt his shoulder but they'd already treated that and put him back in the game, then he threw another pick and they yanked him.

I watched the game, I'm a big Rodgers fan I was thinking at the time I hope he learns from it and plays better, he did.

I didn't make it up at all, he got yanked.

"left the game for one series with a shoulder injury midway through the fourth quarter.

The fourth-year pro returned briefly after Green Bay (2-2) fell behind 23-21 on Matt Bryant's third field goal of the game. But he was hit from the blindside as he launched a pass on second down, and the ball was picked off by Gaines Adams with just over two minutes to go."

Apparently you forgot that part of your very own link.

After the game they reported he may have a separated shoulder, but he started the next game and didn't miss a start all year. You don't play a full year with a separated left shoulder, it was bruised. They pulled him because of the 3rd pick.

The first time he got pulled they were ahead when he hurt the shoulder. He came back and threw a pick. Flynn played the last 2 minutes of a 30-21 game, well the last 4 plays they ran then they turned the ball over on downs.


I was the one saying I wanted Palmer, Kolb was my 2nd choice but it becamse obvious Palmer wasn't available. I don't recall when I first started pointing out the similar career path to Rodgers but it sure wasn't "since the trade was made". I was barely posting on the football board at that time.

In fact if you do a search there are exactly 9 threads involving the name Kevin Kolb that I posted in on this board, ever, and one of those I was actually talking about DeSean Jackson and Kevin Riley at Cal but the prior poster mentioned Kolb so it comes up in the search.

One of the threads I said I would take Luck over Kolb but Kolb over Mallett or Locker any day of the week.

I actually made VERY little comment on Kolb or anything this offseason and lockout.

But if it makes your point better feel free to do the same search and trot out some quotes maybe i just forgot them all.

Most of my comment on Kolb started after the season started.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

Kolb has some excuses. It's Whisenhunt who is running out of them

 

[kerouac9]

I didn't make it up, I said he came out technically with a bruised left shoulder and then went back in. He immediately threw a pick and got pulled for the rest of the game. He got pulled because he'd thrown 3 picks. Yes he did hurt his shoulder but they'd already treated that and put him back in the game, then he threw another pick and they yanked him.

I watched the game, I'm a big Rodgers fan I was thinking at the time I hope he learns from it and plays better, he did.

I didn't make it up at all, he got yanked.

"left the game for one series with a shoulder injury midway through the fourth quarter.

The fourth-year pro returned briefly after Green Bay (2-2) fell behind 23-21 on Matt Bryant's third field goal of the game. But he was hit from the blindside as he launched a pass on second down, and the ball was picked off by Gaines Adams with just over two minutes to go."

Apparently you forgot that part of your very own link.

After the game they reported he may have a separated shoulder, but he started the next game and didn't miss a start all year. You don't play a full year with a separated left shoulder, it was bruised. They pulled him because of the 3rd pick.

The first time he got pulled they were ahead when he hurt the shoulder. He came back and threw a pick. Flynn played the last 2 minutes of a 30-21 game, well the last 4 plays they ran then they turned the ball over on downs.


I was the one saying I wanted Palmer, Kolb was my 2nd choice but it becamse obvious Palmer wasn't available. I don't recall when I first started pointing out the similar career path to Rodgers but it sure wasn't "since the trade was made". I was barely posting on the football board at that time.

In fact if you do a search there are exactly 9 threads involving the name Kevin Kolb that I posted in on this board, ever, and one of those I was actually talking about DeSean Jackson and Kevin Riley at Cal but the prior poster mentioned Kolb so it comes up in the search.

One of the threads I said I would take Luck over Kolb but Kolb over Mallett or Locker any day of the week.

I actually made VERY little comment on Kolb or anything this offseason and lockout.

But if it makes your point better feel free to do the same search and trot out some quotes maybe i just forgot them all.

Most of my comment on Kolb started after the season started.

So... Aaron Rodgers maybe being injured after throwing 2 TDs to go with 3 INTs is the same as Kolb being benched for being downright awful three weeks in a row... how?

If you can show me a single source that suggests that Rodgers was "benched" the way that Kolb clearly was today, then I'd love to see it. Otherwise, I'll guess that McCarthy was resting his QB because he didn't expect to score twice inside of a minute and fifty seconds to end the game.

But, you know, keep carrying Whis and Kolb's water. Clearly that trade was excellent, Kolb is getting better every week, and we're lighting up the scoreboard just as Rodgers did in that game.

 

[PJ1]

At this point a more apt comparison for Kolb is to Fred Rogers. Not Aaron.

 

[nashman]

Kolb was not benched if you consider him not playing the last series of a lost cause where he already got hit to much your just seeing what you want to see. He is and will be our starter no question, maybe we just didn't want him to take more unessasary shots behind our pathetic line!!

 

[Russ Smith]

So... Aaron Rodgers maybe being injured after throwing 2 TDs to go with 3 INTs is the same as Kolb being benched for being downright awful three weeks in a row... how?

If you can show me a single source that suggests that Rodgers was "benched" the way that Kolb clearly was today, then I'd love to see it. Otherwise, I'll guess that McCarthy was resting his QB because he didn't expect to score twice inside of a minute and fifty seconds to end the game.

But, you know, keep carrying Whis and Kolb's water. Clearly that trade was excellent, Kolb is getting better every week, and we're lighting up the scoreboard just as Rodgers did in that game.

I'm sorry there must be something wrong with my computer because the extensive list of quotes you claim I made about Kolb in the offseason don't seem to be showing up at the end of your post.

You said he didn't get benched for his awful play in his first season starting, I said yes he did in that one game. Yes he was hurting, but he he never missed a game that season. They sat him because they knew they weren't going to win the game and they didn't want him to get any more shell shocked than he already was.

He got hurt, but was well enough to come back in, but immediately turned it over again and they decided at that point, let Flynn play the rest of the game.

Again you can deny it as much as you want but there were a LOT of Packers fans who wanted Rodgers pulled that first year. It was a fairly common topic even nationally because he was replacing Favre.

Rodgers is a much better QB than Kolb is, but he wasn't that good when he first took over.

 

[Russ Smith]

Kolb was not benched if you consider him not playing the last series of a lost cause where he already got hit to much your just seeing what you want to see. He is and will be our starter no question, maybe we just didn't want him to take more unessasary shots behind our pathetic line!!

That's not true he was clearly benched, Bartel is clearly the starter now.

 

[kerouac9]

That's not true he was clearly benched, Bartel is clearly the starter now.

Kolb was clearly benched; I'm fairly sure that he's still the starter though, just as Anderson was still the starter after Atlanta last year.

If the coaching staff is already over with their infatuation with Kolb, then they really should be fired, because there's more damage than good that they can do to the rest of the roster.

I think that Whis remains through 2012 at least. They're not going to get anyone better for the price they'd pay while they're paying off the rest of Whis's contract.

 

[Russ Smith]

Kolb was clearly benched; I'm fairly sure that he's still the starter though, just as Anderson was still the starter after Atlanta last year.

If the coaching staff is already over with their infatuation with Kolb, then they really should be fired, because there's more damage than good that they can do to the rest of the roster.

I think that Whis remains through 2012 at least. They're not going to get anyone better for the price they'd pay while they're paying off the rest of Whis's contract.

My definition of benched is not the starter anymore, replaced. Technically to me what happened is he got pulled because he played poorly and they figured it was better to sit him and let him watch the last series than risk another mistake that would further hurt his psyche.

To me technically benched means you're not the starter anymore. But that's my personal definition I don't expect everyone to have the same definition of benched.

 

[kerouac9]

My definition of benched is not the starter anymore, replaced. Technically to me what happened is he got pulled because he played poorly and they figured it was better to sit him and let him watch the last series than risk another mistake that would further hurt his psyche.

To me technically benched means you're not the starter anymore. But that's my personal definition I don't expect everyone to have the same definition of benched.

So "benched" doesn't mean "being sent to the bench to think about how awful you are"? A player can't be benched during the game unless they're not starting the next week? C'mon, Russ.

So what happened to Derek Anderson in the Atlanta game and the San Diego game last year? What happened to Max Hall during the Seattle and Tampa Bay games?

I thought that Whis didn't mess around with players' psyches and that his guys need to be mentally tough, blah blah blah...

 

[Russ Smith]

So "benched" doesn't mean "being sent to the bench to think about how awful you are"? A player can't be benched during the game unless they're not starting the next week? C'mon, Russ.

So what happened to Derek Anderson in the Atlanta game and the San Diego game last year? What happened to Max Hall during the Seattle and Tampa Bay games?

I thought that Whis didn't mess around with players' psyches and that his guys need to be mentally tough, blah blah blah...

Sure there are reasons to bench a guy for one game.He loses his cool and gets a big penalty or can't control his temper so you bench him. He does something like the famous Vernon Davis play where Singletary yanked him and told him to leave the field. That's a during one game benching.

But to me when someone says NFL QB is benched they typically mean he's replaced. And again I don't expect everyone to agree with that definition.

To me pulled and benched are not synonymous.

I take it you're still working on that quote list. There is a search feature you know, you don't have to do it all manually.

 

[WarnerHOF]

I hope Kolb tears his ACL.

Just kidding, but he farking sucks and is being paid 12 million to do so. Also lost a 2nd round pick and possibly Andrew Luck because of him.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

I don't recall having compared Kolb to Rodgers...but I do remember that, years ago, I compared McCown to Favre.

 

[Houdini]

I didn't make it up, I said he came out technically with a bruised left shoulder and then went back in. He immediately threw a pick and got pulled for the rest of the game. He got pulled because he'd thrown 3 picks.

Rodgers did not get pulled out of that game because of 3 picks. He got pulled because he sprained his shoulder. He tried to play wth it at first but could not continue. Flynn was a 6th round rookie that year. The coaches did not pull Rodgers because of 3 INTS for a 6th round rookie who wasn't ready. They were worried Rodgers might have seperated his shoulder, but it turned out to be a sprain. It was uncertain if he was going to be able to play the following week but he did.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2008-09-29-3743073550_x.htm