Report: Cousins to sign with Vikes

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

We're in an awful spot. I can appreciate that you and others don't like Cousins, but I think he is a top five QB on the right team. So where you see a barely above average QB, and too much cap investment, I see 6 years of guaranteed stability at the position passing us by.

But it's not so much missing out on Cousins that bothers me, it's that the rest of the options in our situation are so far away. We have less cap room, less draft capital, and less room to mess up than any other team looking for a QB. I'm sitting over here trying to talk myself into AJ McCarron, a guy who I had zero interest in coming out of the draft, with three starts, and two one legged QBs in Bradford and Bridgewater, hoping we can somehow get lucky and they remain healthy despite all of the evidence being to the contrary.

I'm seeing our only options in the draft either being the 5th-6th QB off the board, which hasn't exactly hit in the past 20 years, or a wild trade up with every bit of remaining draft capital we have for next year disappearing in a year where we have only 13 players under contract.

Or, of course, trade a bunch of picks and pay Nick Foles, who was almost out of football recently, is a complete journeyman, and if I had mentioned the idea in week 13 of last year, would have been laughed out of a room for. Cool.

I'm not blaming Keim or anyone for this, it's just the crap cards that we were dealt, but I have very little optimism about next year and the upcoming years where we stand right now.

I was with you until you said you can’t blame Keim. He is precisely who shoulders the blame for our QB disaster.

 

[GimmedaBall]

I am blaming Keim. Palmer showed he was losing it, the the end of the year before last. Its a Joke there is not a QB on the team. If Stanton was just Arians buddy and not a real replacement for Palmer. While was there not a QB in devolepment?
Why was there not a move to grab Watson, while was there not a trade or a move made for a Bridge QB to be on roster? Why wait to be in this debacle?

It is what it is. The historical perspective on who is at fault is not going to solve the problem for 2018. One thing we do know and that is who is not holding SK to blame---that would be MB. He just gave SK a new contract. Owners usually fire a GM who doesn't live up to expectations.

My own conspiracy theory is that CP and BA both bailed out a year early. Our FQB was going to get selected this year with everyone excited about this QB class. CP was in place to act as the bridge to the next guy. The master plan to 'Win Now' and draft guys to help CP/BA succeed got flushed with those two going out a year early. SK got left holding the roster empty of a QB by the early retirements. By that count, blame CP for not wanting to take the beating any more and deciding to retire.

Learn from past mistakes but then put aside the blame games and go forward looking for a solution that will work to secure the future.

 

[Solar7]

I was with you until you said you can’t blame Keim. He is precisely who shoulders the blame for our QB disaster.

I'm mad (but not furious) he didn't take a flyer on a QB in the past few drafts, but I don't know if I can wholly blame him for what happened in the first round last year, and it looks like we made the right choice not taking Kizer.

Short of Dak Prescott, is there anyone since the Logan Thomas experiment ended that we had a shot at that we'd be happy with going in as our starter right now? I can't find one.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=position

Let's be honest here, most NFL teams don't have a starter they're grooming in the wings for their aging starter. Last year, you had exactly two... New England, and Kansas City, and New England doesn't even have their QBotF anymore. Maybe the Giants with Webb? But even then, no one is going to be surprised if they take a QB at 2.

That's why I have a hard time fully blaming Keim - basically no one else is set up for this situation either.

 

[GimmedaBall]

I'm mad (but not furious) he didn't take a flyer on a QB in the past few drafts, but I don't know if I can wholly blame him for what happened in the first round last year, and it looks like we made the right choice not taking Kizer.

Short of Dak Prescott, is there anyone since the Logan Thomas experiment ended that we had a shot at that we'd be happy with going in as our starter right now? I can't find one.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=position

Let's be honest here, most NFL teams don't have a starter they're grooming in the wings for their aging starter. Last year, you had exactly two... New England, and Kansas City, and New England doesn't even have their QBotF anymore. Maybe the Giants with Webb? But even then, no one is going to be surprised if they take a QB at 2.

That's why I have a hard time fully blaming Keim - basically no one else is set up for this situation either.

I looked at the some of the recent drafts at the players we picked compared to which QBs were still on the board at the time of our pick. The only other QB who would be of issue besides Prescott was Carr with the Raiders---we took DBuc at #27 with our lower round first with Carr still on the board who then went to the Raiders in the 2nd at #36.

Both Prescott and Carr have fallen back to the pack as of last season.

 

[Solar7]

I looked at the some of the recent drafts at the players we picked compared to which QBs were still on the board at the time of our pick. The only other QB who would be of issue besides Prescott was Carr with the Raiders---we took DBuc at #27 with our lower round first with Carr still on the board who then went to the Raiders in the 2nd at #36.

Both Prescott and Carr have fallen back to the pack as of last season.

Totally agreed. I didn't add Carr when I was thinking about this because we did at least make an effort when drafting Logan Thomas. It didn't work out, but we tried.

 

[MrYeahBut]

30 QB's in the whole galazy??! The mind boggles. Surely there has to be an unknown dude from Djibuoti. Get scouts out there, sign somebody

 

[Vacard]

If y’all saying Cousins can get them no farther then Keemun did last year, then that’s malarkey. Cousins will have a complete team around him with solid coaching and that will elevate his game. He made them Superbowl contenders overnight. Barring injury, the Vikes can beat the Eagles. Mark it down.

 

[Stout]

I was trumpeting that we HAD to get a quarterback last year, but much of this board said "wait until next year, the players will be so much better!"

This kind of reasoning has made me utterly furious for years, and is the kind of lazy, rotten thinking that has gotten us right smack in the middle of this frigging mess that we're in. For years, whenever anyone trotted out this LAF excuse, I would simply explode on them.

 

[Gandhi]

I'm seeing our only options in the draft either being the 5th-6th QB off the board, which hasn't exactly hit in the past 20 years, or a wild trade up with every bit of remaining draft capital we have for next year disappearing in a year where we have only 13 players under contract.

If you click here, you can read my write-up on that exact topic. You are obviously right that it might not be the first quarterback of the board, but that doesn’t necessarily mean something. History also tells us that.

We have no chance of knowing how the teams rank these prospects, and thus we have no idea if a quarterback is ranked as the #1, #2 or #6 quarterback on their board. I know that you are not implying that, Solar, but I think it’s relevant to point out anyway to other posters. A lot of variables go into how they rank quarterbacks, and probably most of those variables are stuff like character, leadership quality and mostly how they fit with everything concerning the team. Those things almost guarantee that different teams don’t have the quarterbacks ranked the same. What we can know, though, is that they most likely won’t pick a quarterback that they don’t believe in.

Other than that, Solar, I really like your post. I think you are spot on most of your thoughts.

Or, of course, trade a bunch of picks and pay Nick Foles, who was almost out of football recently, is a complete journeyman, and if I had mentioned the idea in week 13 of last year, would have been laughed out of a room for. Cool.

Other than appreciate how they were trying to fix the quarterback-issue, I would consider that to be a catastrophe.

 

[GatorAZ]

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[oaken1]

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suddenly Denver is not an option?

 

[Minski]

Urgh great! If we somehow win the Cousins sweepstakes we will all be back here in 4 years on about the QBOTF. Also see ya to a top player to make room to re-sign DJ

 

[Red Bird]

suddenly Denver is not an option?

Maybe they just didn't want to make a video presentation

 

[RON_IN_OC]

suddenly Denver is not an option?

Maybe Denver has it in the bag and doesn't need the full court press.

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[StreetTruckinTitan]

All these rumours are nauseating at best.

 

[az jam]

Mike Jurecki Retweeted Dianna Russini

The #AZCardinals are schedule to make a pitch to Cousins tomorrow when teams are allowed to speak with agents of #URFA.

 

[NJCardFan]

Mike Jurecki Retweeted Dianna Russini

The #AZCardinals are schedule to make a pitch to Cousins tomorrow when teams are allowed to speak with agents of #URFA.

They're not going to offer the over $30 million he's going to garner and IMO this team has way too many holes to tie up so much cap space in one player.

 

[PDXChris]

suddenly Denver is not an option?

Seems that Elway may be putting all his eggs in the Josh Allen basket. People think Elway sees himself in him.

 

[PDXChris]

All these rumours are nauseating at best.

Most are purely meant to drive the price up and have no substance.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Seems that Elway may be putting all his eggs in the Josh Allen basket. People think Elway sees himself in him.

I can see why...They are both mid 50% career completion percentage.

Elway was only 56%.

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[Kel Varnsen]

Maybe they just didn't want to make a video presentation

Ha!

 

[oaken1]

They're not going to offer the over $30 million he's going to garner and IMO this team has way too many holes to tie up so much cap space in one player.

ya think that timely rumor that the vikes were offering 27.5mil was a negotiating ploy to get others to bump up their bids?

 

[GimmedaBall]

ya think that timely rumor that the vikes were offering 27.5mil was a negotiating ploy to get others to bump up their bids?

Cousins is already making $24 mil as a second-time franchise player---so getting bumped up to 27.5 is not that big of leap (typed as I fumble for change to go get a couple $1 burgers at Wendy's).

The 49ers really upset the salary structure for FA QB by signing JG to his huge contract---after winning a whole five games for the franchise. JG's deal becomes the BOTTOM rung on the ladder for every other FA QB since they all have more experience and track record than he has. In time JG may well be a franchise QB---but for now we just have his contract as a starting point.

 

[az jam]

Kent Somers‏Verified account@kentsomers
https://twitter.com/kentsomers/status/973047738337189888

Source says Cardinals are not scheduled to make a pitch to Kirk Cousins or his agent tomorrow, contrary to report earlier today.

 

[Gandhi]

Kent Somers‏Verified account@kentsomers

Source says Cardinals are not scheduled to make a pitch to Kirk Cousins or his agent tomorrow, contrary to report earlier today.

I don’t know if history can back me up, but I trust Kent Somers a lot more then I trust Mike Jurecki.