Report per Daniel Jeremiah: Barkley leaves positive impression on Cardinals

[Arizona's Finest]

well... you might think that, but apparently no one in the NFL does because if his arm and physical ability were really as good as Matt Ryan or Eli Manning why isn't he the hands down, no-brainer number pick in the draft, just like those guys? I mean... just from a size perspective he's no where close to those guys coming in at 6'1, 200 pounds versus 6'4 220 across the board. he's small, he doesn't have good wheels, he's got an average arm and in a year where USC was loaded and favored to win the National Title, he completely crapped the bed in their biggest games and showed very little leadership (something he HIMSELF brought up in interviews). his intangibles may be A+ (although, I don't agree with that), but his athletic ability is a C and it's why he's not being talked about as a sure-fire 1 pick.

You are going to be wrong on that too after his Pro Day assuming he recovers by then (which i think he will) as he is not the low physical grade prospect you are making him to be. Dude was a 5 star QB out of college and the #1 recruit for a reason.

And BTW had he come out last year he WOULD have been drafted in the same position as Matt Ryan (#3) and if he would have had his junior season this year he would have been the no brainer pick at #1. You do remember what everyone was saying about Barkley prior to 2012 right? He didnt become a bad physical prospect over night. He had a bad season becasue fo a bad OL and coaching (FYI i said this to Urban 3 days before the PK article) and didnt play at his previous level. But damn his numbers were still good.

Im just looking at full body of work rather then last year. Last year is reason to pause in picks 1 - 5. Not at #7 IMO.

Cheese

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Isn't that part of taking more of a leadership role? I think it was Pioli who said very similar.

He said being more of a d-- to be precise. Something a 23 year old may still be learning. Nice guys dont always finish first.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Again i believe this to be all moot as I think if the Cards dont go after a trade for Smith, Flynn, or Mallett the guy they want is Geno.

But depending on the team that drafts him I expect Barkley to be a starter Day 1 and a good-great starter in this league.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You are going to be wrong on that too after his Pro Day assuming he recovers by then (which i think he will) as he is not the low physical grade prospect you are making him to be.

you're acting like I'm the only person in the world questioning his arm strength, when basically everyone who follows the draft for a living is doing the same thing.

Dude was a 5 star QB out of college and the #1 recruit for a reason.

so was Chris Sims and any host of players that never ended up getting to the next level.

And BTW had he come out last year he WOULD have been drafted in the same position as Matt Ryan (#3) and if he would have had his junior season this year he would have been the no brainer pick at #1.

lol... okay.. is this because you say so? people were talking about him slipping last year in a very good QB draft and concerns about his arm strength were already being talked about.

You do remember what everyone was saying about Barkley prior to 2012 right? He didnt become a bad physical prospect over night.

no one said he became a bad physical prospect. he's just an average one and has always considered to be such. when you throw in the way he looked in his one prove it year when USC actually had something at stake, it just provided even more question marks IMO and apparently many others.

He had a bad season becasue fo a bad OL and coaching (FYI i said this to Urban 3 days before the PK article) and didnt play at his previous level. But damn his numbers were still good.

Im just looking at full body of work rather then last year. Last year is reason to pause in picks 1 - 5. Not at #7 IMO.

Cheese

again, you presuppose that I've never watched him play beyond this year. I live in LA. I watch all the USC games. The guy has never impressed me because he's got an average arm (this has been discussed for a couple years), very limited mobility, is small and in the first year that USC actually had any pressure on it, he had his worst games against the best teams. You can't just take out the guy's last year IMO. That's the only time USC and he had any kind of pressure riding on him IMO.

 

[Phrazbit]

Im just going to repeat this for a last time. I compare him to Russell Wilson MENTALLY which to me is why he has been successful this past year. Not because he can scramble or has a good arm. Its his preperation. Like calling teammates after games to go over orutes with them. Demanding rookies be in at 6AM on off days. He won the job out of camp AS A THIRD ROUND PICK. Do you know how ridciulously prepared and how much credibbility you have to have to do that? Wilson was names Captain at Wiscy AFTER HIS FIRST SPRING PRACTICE AS A TRANSFER. Again unprecedented.

I think Barkley gets as close to Russell Wilson mentally as anyone in the last few drafts expect maybe my boy Andrew Luck.

Dont just look at what they look like and their strengths and say "Gee there is no correlation there"..... read what im saying. Its between the ears and the guys who coached both of them said as much with no incentive to do so.

Okay... those are all reasons to love WILSON but they have no correlation to Barkley. Teammates were questioning his work ethic at the end of the year, he played very poorly in big games. Wilson is elite between the ears and as a leader, and there is very little to indicate Barkley is in that class and a lot to make me think he is well outside of it.

And for as brilliant as Wilson is in term of football IQ, it wouldnt matter if he didnt have the physical skills (despite his height) to extend plays and air out the football. If he was saddled with Barkley's lack of mobility and poor arm strength then it wouldnt matter how much he inspires people.

I am not saying Barkley is garbage as a prospect, but I wouldnt touch him in the 1st round and I'd have a hard time buying him as "BPA" until the 3rd.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Okay... those are all reasons to love WILSON but they have no correlation to Barkley. Teammates were questioning his work ethic at the end of the year, he played very poorly in big games. Wilson is elite between the ears and as a leader, and there is very little to indicate Barkley is in that class and a lot to make me think he is well outside of it.

And for as brilliant as Wilson is in term of football IQ, it wouldnt matter if he didnt have the physical skills (despite his height) to extend plays and air out the football. If he was saddled with Barkley's lack of mobility and poor arm strength then it wouldnt matter how much he inspires people.

BINGO.