Report per Daniel Jeremiah: Barkley leaves positive impression on Cardinals

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Much ado about nothing.

Bruce Arians said on air that the Cardinals met with EVERY QB at the combine and they were all ok, but none wowed him or Keim. Now that is probably not 100% the truth, but I haven't seen enough from any of these guys to think they are wowing coaches.
 

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I'd probably go in a comma if the Cards drafted another USC quarterback but I doubt the Cards will draft Barkley. Here's the article anyways....

ww.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000144943/article/matt-barkley-leaves-positive-impression-on-cardinals

(Add another w to the beginning of the url since Im not allowed to post links yet)

I'd probably go in a question mark.
 

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Positive impression just might mean they are not opposed to drafting him, doesn't mean they would be willing to draft him in the first round or even the second.
 

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I couldn't agree less with this. his scrambling ability was a HUGE part of what made him so good last year. it's the combination of a big arm, scrambling AND his brains is what puts him league's ahead of Barkley. Barkley may have the kid's mental makeup, but if he doesn't have anything close resembling his physical makeup, it won't matter IMO.

and as far as Barkley's mental makeup, he fell flat on his face making incredibly dumb plays in big games this year. and that's coming from someone who isn't a slave to ESPN and actually watches all of USC's games living out in LA.

That still does not make me think of Barkley. His moments of true big game heroics during his career at USC can be counted on no fingers. Wilson is praised for his poise and leadership, Barkley struggles under pressure and USC's team supposedly starting boxing each other out at the end of the season because players were doubting Barkley's leadership and effort.

We can look at games and try and project what we think Matt Barkleys make up is all we want, probably makes more sense to listen to the people who actually know what happens behind the scenes. Go read Pete Carroll's, Charlie Weis. Lane Kiffins, Matt Kalil, Steve Sarkisian, and on and on.

Barkley is hardest working SC QB maybe ever, was the teams leader as Freshman, and is a devout Christian. Meaning all he cares about is Football and Jesus. First guy in Last guy Out. Video junkie. Natural in huddle.

Well see what happens. Just don't be shocked when he moves into top half of draft after interviews and his Pro Day.

Well see how it all ends up but I keep thinking back to Pete Carroll's comments this year on Russell Wilson. RW is the prototype of what everyone wants their QB to be mentally. A reporter asked him to compare him to another QB he coached or coached against. He said only one close is Matt Barkley. That's high praise for a coach who has nothing to gain by singling out his former college QB.

You can disagree all you want. I've read and watchd a lot of both players. I think Barkley is more accurate, better body, and similar in terms of makeup. Russell has bigger arm and legs.

Well see how it shakes out but my take is people who know best, think his intangibles are A+. And I think his arm and physical ability is as good or better then Matt Ryan, Tom Brady, Eli Manning etc.
 

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That still does not make me think of Barkley. His moments of true big game heroics during his career at USC can be counted on no fingers. Wilson is praised for his poise and leadership, Barkley struggles under pressure and USC's team supposedly starting boxing each other out at the end of the season because players were doubting Barkley's leadership and effort.

This is just crazy. Do some research. I can provide links, can you?

Aren't you an ASU homer anyway? No wonder you are so adamant on a subject you have only casual anecdotal evidence on.

And Wilson's poise and leadership wasn't common knowledge really until this year. But just like Barkley it's been there the whole time.

I suppose you we're touting Russell Wilson's poise/leadership prior to last years draft huh?
 

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We can look at games and try and project what we think Matt Barkleys make up is all we want, probably makes more sense to listen to the people who actually know what happens behind the scenes. Go read Pete Carroll's, Charlie Weis. Lane Kiffins, Matt Kalil, Steve Sarkisian, and on and on.

Barkley is hardest working SC QB maybe ever, was the teams leader as Freshman, and is a devout Christian. Meaning all he cares about is Football and Jesus. First guy in Last guy Out. Video junkie. Natural in huddle.

Well see what happens. Just don't be shocked when he moves into top half of draft after interviews and his Pro Day.

Well see how it all ends up but I keep thinking back to Pete Carroll's comments this year on Russell Wilson. RW is the prototype of what everyone wants their QB to be mentally. A reporter asked him to compare him to another QB he coached or coached against. He said only one close is Matt Barkley. That's high praise for a coach who has nothing to gain by singling out his former college QB.

You can disagree all you want. I've read and watchd a lot of both players. I think Barkley is more accurate, better body, and similar in terms of makeup. Russell has bigger arm and legs.

Well see how it shakes out but my take is people who know best, think his intangibles are A+. And I think his arm and physical ability is as good or better then Matt Ryan, Tom Brady, Eli Manning etc.

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This is just crazy. Do some research. I can provide links, can you?

Aren't you an ASU homer anyway? No wonder you are so adamant on a subject you have only casual anecdotal evidence on.

And Wilson's poise and leadership wasn't common knowledge really until this year. But just like Barkley it's been there the whole time.

I suppose you we're touting Russell Wilson's poise/leadership prior to last years draft huh?

Well in more mannerly fashion I agree with you. Leinart performed admirably on the biggest stage in college football. 23-34-327-3 TDs vs Michigan in the Rose Bowl. Won a National Championship. Threw for 99 TDs vs 23 interceptions in his USC career and was 29-40-365 yards vs a Texas secondary that featured 5 defensive backs who would eventually start in the NFL. Yet for some reason never repeated that in the NFL.

How many big games did Drew Brees play at Purdue? Aaron Rogers at Cal? Eli Manning at Mississippi? Those schools haven't won an outright conference title since 40yearfan was in diapers. What big games against big time competition did Joe Flacco play in at Delaware?

Remember how the pundits bagged on Peyton Manning because he never won a National Championship and called Ryan Leaf more NFL ready and gave the Heisman to Charles Woodson?

I don't think that how a QB performs in big games in college really matters much when it comes to forecasting his ability to play in the NFL.
 

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What former coaches, teammates,uncles, aunts etc. say about a player and his work ethic is an important piece of a very complex puzzle.

Even more important is the prospect's actual body of work and how he compares physically in real-time to other prospects. Hopefully, Barkley will have an opportunity to do this before the drafts in private workouts and on his Pro Day.

Until then, he'll represent a significant risk at #7 because he hasn't had the opportunity to provide scouts with the missing info most GM's would feel they need.
 

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Good section in Peter King's MMQB about Barkley. Questions how much of his regression was due to coaching. I'd be fine with Barkley if Arians thinks he is the right guy and we trade back into the end of the 1st round for him.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130225/nfl-combine-peter-king-monday-morning-quarterback/?sct=uk_t13_a2

The case of Matt Barkley.
Before interviewing Barkley Saturday night at the combine, I asked three scouts about him. One spent two days at USC last season, and he looked at a lot of Barkley tape. The verdict: They liked his junior year (69 percent accuracy, 39-7 TD-INTs), didn't like his senior year (64 percent, 36-15) at all. One said he consistently put too much air under his throws and didn't have a good fastball. One thought he was a victim of poor coaching and a deficient offensive line last year, particularly when his starting center went out against Stanford and Barkley was beaten to a pulp.
I watched extended highlights of the Stanford and Oregon games from last season on YouTube. I didn't see the too-much-air thing, but I did see him trusting his receivers too much to make tough throws, throwing into traffic too much, and too many batted/deflected balls. He was a quarterback under siege against Stanford, once getting pummeled almost before the snap arrived on the goal line by an attacking Cardinal front. It's tough to dissect decision-making without knowing the offense or sitting down to watch tape with the guy, but he took too many chances for my taste.
At the combine, Barkley didn't throw because of a shoulder injury (rehabbed, not surgically repaired) suffered 14 weeks ago. He impressed several teams in his interviews; he probably could go as high as No. 7, to Arizona. But it's still a very fluid situation. I got the sense he could go seventh or 37th. The big question now is whether his damaged shoulder will allow him to throw free and easy four weeks from Wednesday at his Pro Day in Los Angeles.
Barkley told me he'd been throwing for a week and a half now, and, in his words, "I've definitely gained some zip on the ball. I'm rehabbing really seriously, like guys do after they have Tommy John [elbow surgery], and I believe I'll be able to throw the ball better than before I was injured. I've been able to really refine and improve my throwing motion.'' He's on a pitch count now, and he's been told he'll have no limitations when he throws for teams on March 27.
"My Pro Day will dispel those myths about my arm,'' he predicted.
Barkley seems very confident and very sure of himself without being cocky. "As I start my NFL career,'' he said, "I really want to set the record straight on a few things. People look at me like I'm some Cali boy, but I'm not that way -- I don't even know how to surf. I'm a football junkie. I'm football, 24/7.''
He talked ruefully of his challenging sessions with teams. Teams can speak with players for 15 minutes at night during the combine, and Barkley had nine such sessions (Jets, Eagles, Steelers, Raiders, Chiefs, Bills, Jaguars, Cardinals, Bucs) and informal sessions with Seattle, Cleveland and Atlanta. "We watch tape,'' he said, "and I haven't seen one TD of mine. I've seen a lot of interceptions, and they want to know why they happen. I think a couple of teams wanted me to throw coaches or whoever under the table. One team gave me sort of a trick question: 'Would you rather ride the bench and win a Super Bowl, or be a starter and not make the Super Bowl?' That's a trick question, really. I just said, 'I want to be a starter. As much as I want to win a Super Bowl ring, I don't want one handed to me without deserving it.' ''
Several teams asked about a fight in the locker room while USC was at the Sun Bowl this year, and whether he was involved. "Other than breaking it up, and saying, 'Guys, let's calm down?' No.''
He understands there's a prejudice against USC quarterbacks because of the recent failings of Mark Sanchez and Matt Leinart, and because Carson Palmer's career has declined. My thoughts: Sanchez started one full season and Barkley four, so that's not really apples-to-apples. Leinart's been a total bust. Let's not revise history on Palmer, who, from 2005 through 2007, threw 20 more touchdown passes than Brett Favre. He hasn't had staying power, but he's no bust. "My story's so much different,'' said Barkley. "When the big sanctions came down, coach [Pete] Carroll is gone, we have no A.D., it's the spring of my freshman year and I've got to stand up and speak for the program. We've got all these penalties, and I helped rally the troops. That actually helped me -- helped me become more of a leader. I think I bring a lot that's not quantifiable, starting with the fact that I've been a four-year starter.''
One of the last things we discussed is Barkley's trip to the Manning Passing Academy last July, his first trip to see into Peyton's and Eli's worlds. "I learned a valuable lesson from Peyton, about sometimes you have to be a d---,'' he said. In other words, if players don't want to work out in the offseason, you tell them there's no option; you tell them when and where to be somewhere. Now, maybe that doesn't happen in the first year. But a quarterback has to have the respect and authority to make sure players do what's necessary, particularly in these days of less intense offseason programs. NFL players are off until mid-April now. Next year, wherever he is, Barkley's going to have to get his guys in gear to work out somewhere before that.
"Doing what is asked is not enough to win in the NFL, I know that,'' he said. "You've got to do more. And I intend to.''
 

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Hell all BA has to do is be his brash honest self- and nobody would believe him! I know the feeling.
I think Barclay is not the #7 BPA in this draft but- The QB premium says get him while the gettings good- I'm a BPA guy - but QB premium is worth at least a round after a top 10 pick-

It would be great to slip back to 11 and get Barclay or Smith.
But if we get a OT or G or DL at #7 - I'm fine with that- the range of talent and risk of failure in the top 10 is so close as BPA- hell draft coverage is just a bunch of white noise. a bunch of tado about nothing. some that would succeed on many teams will bust on others-

I would be happy with a DD replacement in the pipeline- He's like 33 now.
 
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Well in more mannerly fashion I agree with you. Leinart performed admirably on the biggest stage in college football. 23-34-327-3 TDs vs Michigan in the Rose Bowl. Won a National Championship. Threw for 99 TDs vs 23 interceptions in his USC career and was 29-40-365 yards vs a Texas secondary that featured 5 defensive backs who would eventually start in the NFL. Yet for some reason never repeated that in the NFL.

Matt Leinart had Whisenhunt for a head coach and had poor work ethic. That's why he never made it. Instead of studying film he was too busy holding beer bongs at ASU. Matt Barkley is NOT Matt Leinart or Mark Sanchez. People like to assume he is simply because they went to the same school. He's got the intelligence, work ethic, and intangibles.. all he needs is proper coaching. Bruce Arians and Tom Moore will provide that.
 

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This is just crazy. Do some research. I can provide links, can you?

Aren't you an ASU homer anyway? No wonder you are so adamant on a subject you have only casual anecdotal evidence on.

And Wilson's poise and leadership wasn't common knowledge really until this year. But just like Barkley it's been there the whole time.

I suppose you we're touting Russell Wilson's poise/leadership prior to last years draft huh?

lol, what?! No, I am not an ASU fan in the slightest. You can count the times I praised the scummies on the same fingers you can count Barkley's big game heroics. But please tell me more about anecdotal evidence...

You were the one who compared him to Wilson... so were YOU pimping Wilson before the draft? I merely disagree.

I shouldnt need to provide links to prove that Barkley stunk under pressure this year, his draft stock took a huge beating well before he got hurt, take away his stats against some of the cream-puffs on the schedule and he has a pretty lousy season. Against the higher finishers in the Pac USC went 2-4 and Barkey posted 16 TDs against 12 picks.

As for the locker room brawl?

http://deadspin.com/5976504/reports-usc-players-had-a-locker+room-brawl-over-matt-barkleys-honor

http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/01/16/usc-lane-kiffin-locker-room-altercation/1839029/

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf...joke-reports-flat-brawl-212618191--ncaaf.html

That was not some low key story, I didnt think I would need to provide links for things that are common knowledge. At the end of the year they had an ugly divided locker room and Matt Barkley was at the center of the divide.

Wilson is a highly mobile QB who has a big arm with serious accuracy when on the run. I mean... even if you ignore locker room brawls... Barkley does not even remotely remind me of Russell Wilson.
 
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I didn't like the way Bustley came across in his "interview" with Mariucci on NFLN. He kind of sat there with a smug smirk on his face and wasn't taking it seriously until Mariucci put him in his place towards the end.

Another thing I didn't like was that he wishes he would have taken more of a leadership role. He was 4 year starter. If you're not taking a leadership after being the starting college QB for 4 years, I doubt that's going to change entering the NFL when you're a rookie.

Also, did you guys catch Tannenbaum's little dig at USC? When the subject of Barkley and USC QB's came up, he said something to the effect(e, did you get that Chopper :D ) of the reason he and Pioli were sitting on the set was because of their experience with USC quarterbacks.
 

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I didn't like the way Bustley came across in his "interview" with Mariucci on NFLN. He kind of sat there with a smug smirk on his face and wasn't taking it seriously until Mariucci put him in his place towards the end.

Another thing I didn't like was that he wishes he would have taken more of a leadership role. He was 4 year starter. If you're not taking a leadership after being the starting college QB for 4 years, I doubt that's going to change entering the NFL when you're a rookie.

Also, did you guys catch Tannenbaum's little dig at USC? When the subject of Barkley and USC QB's came up, he said something to the effect(e, did you get that Chopper :D ) of the reason he and Pioli were sitting on the set was because of their experience with USC quarterbacks.

Barkley didn't mention needing to being more of a leader, he said he wished he had been more demanding of his teammates and coaches. Kind of refreshing to hear a kid admit that he has improvements to make. I'm not sold yet on Barkley, but I do think it's really unfair to him to say he is just another USC quarterback.
 

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If Arians wants to throw it deep and into tight windows then Barkley not the guy. Weakest arm of any of the top QB. Barkley is a dink and dunk QB all the way.

I remember when Blaine Gabbert was impressing the Cardinals in interviews at combine time. Reports like this mean little to nothing for me.

Barkley does not have a weak arm. He might of dink and dunked in the system he was in at USC but to say he has a weak arm is totally wrong.
 

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Barkley does not have a weak arm. He might of dink and dunked in the system he was in at USC but to say he has a weak arm is totally wrong.

Most scouting reports do state Barkley lacks an "elite" NFL arm. He has average arm strength, but what worries me the most is his inability to lead a team of talented athletes to more wins. He failed to elevate the production of the USC offense while he was there and that is my biggest concern. How will he do when he doesn't have the most athletically talented squad on the football field when he is in the NFL?
 

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Barkley didn't mention needing to being more of a leader, he said he wished he had been more demanding of his teammates and coaches. Kind of refreshing to hear a kid admit that he has improvements to make. I'm not sold yet on Barkley, but I do think it's really unfair to him to say he is just another USC quarterback.
Isn't that part of taking more of a leadership role? I think it was Pioli who said very similar.
 

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Well see how it shakes out but my take is people who know best, think his intangibles are A+. And I think his arm and physical ability is as good or better then Matt Ryan, Tom Brady, Eli Manning etc.

well... you might think that, but apparently no one in the NFL does because if his arm and physical ability were really as good as Matt Ryan or Eli Manning why isn't he the hands down, no-brainer number pick in the draft, just like those guys? I mean... just from a size perspective he's no where close to those guys coming in at 6'1, 200 pounds versus 6'4 220 across the board. he's small, he doesn't have good wheels, he's got an average arm and in a year where USC was loaded and favored to win the National Title, he completely crapped the bed in their biggest games and showed very little leadership (something he HIMSELF brought up in interviews). his intangibles may be A+ (although, I don't agree with that), but his athletic ability is a C and it's why he's not being talked about as a sure-fire 1 pick.
 
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lol, what?! No, I am not an ASU fan in the slightest. You can count the times I praised the scummies on the same fingers you can count Barkley's big game heroics. But please tell me more about anecdotal evidence...

You were the one who compared him to Wilson... so were YOU pimping Wilson before the draft? I merely disagree.

I shouldnt need to provide links to prove that Barkley stunk under pressure this year, his draft stock took a huge beating well before he got hurt, take away his stats against some of the cream-puffs on the schedule and he has a pretty lousy season. Against the higher finishers in the Pac USC went 2-4 and Barkey posted 16 TDs against 12 picks.

As for the locker room brawl?

http://deadspin.com/5976504/reports-usc-players-had-a-locker+room-brawl-over-matt-barkleys-honor

http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/01/16/usc-lane-kiffin-locker-room-altercation/1839029/

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf...joke-reports-flat-brawl-212618191--ncaaf.html

That was not some low key story, I didnt think I would need to provide links for things that are common knowledge. At the end of the year they had an ugly divided locker room and Matt Barkley was at the center of the divide.

Wilson is a highly mobile QB who has a big arm with serious accuracy when on the run. I mean... even if you ignore locker room brawls... Barkley does not even remotely remind me of Russell Wilson.

Im just going to repeat this for a last time. I compare him to Russell Wilson MENTALLY which to me is why he has been successful this past year. Not because he can scramble or has a good arm. Its his preperation. Like calling teammates after games to go over orutes with them. Demanding rookies be in at 6AM on off days. He won the job out of camp AS A THIRD ROUND PICK. Do you know how ridciulously prepared and how much credibbility you have to have to do that? Wilson was names Captain at Wiscy AFTER HIS FIRST SPRING PRACTICE AS A TRANSFER. Again unprecedented.

I think Barkley gets as close to Russell Wilson mentally as anyone in the last few drafts expect maybe my boy Andrew Luck.

Dont just look at what they look like and their strengths and say "Gee there is no correlation there"..... read what im saying. Its between the ears and the guys who coached both of them said as much with no incentive to do so.
 

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Most scouting reports do state Barkley lacks an "elite" NFL arm. He has average arm strength, but what worries me the most is his inability to lead a team of talented athletes to more wins. He failed to elevate the production of the USC offense while he was there and that is my biggest concern. How will he do when he doesn't have the most athletically talented squad on the football field when he is in the NFL?
We don't have to worry our pretty little heads about whether Barkley has a big league arm or leadership qualities.

That's presumably why we hired Moore and Arians and why they're getting the big bucks. I've got to figure these guys know what they're doing and trust them to come to the right conclusions. If we can 't, why did we hire them in the first place.

I am not sold that we can find a QBOF among this group of draft prospects, but if Bruce, Tom and Steve feel there's a guy worth drafting, I'd be willing to swallow my tongue, grit my teeth and go with it.
 

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