Report: Suns Eliminated From LeBron Sweepstakes

[Chris_Sanders]

I know that he's still viewed negatively by most fans but I just don't think it crosses the league like it used to.

Steve

Might only be media. All of these articles are just some guys opinion.

 

[Cheesebeef]

How this myth persists is beyond me. Every time I look at the Cardinals forum, it's people being nasty to one another, threatening to jump out of windows, and spewing vile at their team. I'd guess the explanation is that the members of the Cardinals forum have a deep-down trust for each other, so they don't get riled up by the differences of opinion -- whereas here, any disagreement is taken personally.

The Cards board definitely has a much deeper sense of community. That's not a knock on this board. It's really pretty incredible. People who have thrown money in for others going through tough times, attending funerals...that board is like a family. Within that family, there are people you can't stand, but they're still family.

One reason thst probably the case is for YEARS everyone over there was universally miserable with our team that it bonded us a football band of brothers. That hasn't really been the case with the Suns franchise for the majority of te last 30 years.

 

[Chaplin]

Think about how a lot of posters on the Cardinals board are tailgating at games and actually know each other in person. Outside of cheese, his brother and an old poster named Seven, I've never met anyone from the suns board at a Suns game or anywhere else for that matter. That's huge when you're talking about community and comradery.

 

[sunsfan88]

Think about how a lot of posters on the Cardinals board are tailgating at games and actually know each other in person. Outside of cheese, his brother and an old poster named Seven, I've never met anyone from the suns board at a Suns game or anywhere else for that matter. That's huge when you're talking about community and comradery.

True but how much of that has to do with the fact that tailgating in football is a lot more common than meeting up at basketball games?

Football is WAY more popular than basketball.

I'd guess that the Jacksonville Jaguars fans from their forums meet up with each other at games more often than the Lakers, Knicks, Celtics or Heat fans do.

 

[slinslin]

call me a dreamer, I still don't think that Lebron has decided on any teams

 

[Covert Rain]

Maybe someone already posted this but according to Paul Coro, the Suns were never in the running for James. Sounds like his agent simply agreed to listen to the pitch but there was no real interest from LJ.

"James never said yes to listening to the Suns about joining them.".

If that is true...maybe the Suns reputation is not yet rehabilitated.

 

[sunsfan88]

Maybe someone already posted this but according to Paul Coro, the Suns were never in the running for James. Sounds like his agent simply agreed to listen to the pitch but there was no real interest from LJ.

"James never said yes to listening to the Suns about joining them.".

If that is true...maybe the Suns reputation is not yet rehabilitated.

Could be. I feel like the agent could have just been using the Suns to somehow leverage into us giving Bledsoe the max.

 

[Phrazbit]

I dont think its only common to this site, NFL boards I've been on are more of a community, most NBA boards I've seen have much more vitriol.

I think the nature of the NBA leads to a divided board like this. In the NFL most everyone is a fan of teams, not of particular players, sure, people have their favorites and their whipping boys... but outside of the Packers with Aaron Rodgers people live and die by the team far more than the individual players.

In the NBA its such a small squad out there and its such a player driven league that its more of a tug of war by the fans over individual players and play styles. Then you've also got people who are fans of a team purely because of one player. And you've also got the factor of the season being way too long... eventually, for some, there becomes nothing left to do but bitch about things, which obviously offends those with rose colored glasses, or a general nasty disagreement over what the problem actually is.

Some blame size, others defense, others Bledsoe... I will stick with my guns and say its Beasley's fault.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I dont think its only common to this site, NFL boards I've been on are more of a community, most NBA boards I've seen have much more vitriol.

I think the nature of the NBA leads to a divided board like this. In the NFL most everyone is a fan of teams, not of particular players, sure, people have their favorites and their whipping boys... but outside of the Packers with Aaron Rodgers people live and die by the team far more than the individual players.

In the NBA its such a small squad out there and its such a player driven league that its more of a tug of war by the fans over individual players and play styles. Then you've also got people who are fans of a team purely because of one player. And you've also got the factor of the season being way too long... eventually, for some, there becomes nothing left to do but bitch about things, which obviously offends those with rose colored glasses, or a general nasty disagreement over what the problem actually is.

Some blame size, others defense, others Bledsoe... I will stick with my guns and say its Beasley's fault.

You can never go wrong blaming Beasley.

I just think some people tend to put a negative spin on things and some people tend to put a positive spin. And some of us get a little too invested in an argument at times and things go south. Apparently, south is a bad place for things to go.

Steve

 

[JCSunsfan]

LOL. OK. First off I was on topic. Did I make a laundry list of things I hate about Sarver or was I responding to the topic at hand? So help me understand the forum rules. If someone brings up a topic for 10th time and on the 10 different thread....we are not to repeat our point to respond? OK. Thanks for clearing that up.

So far I have only seen one person get defensive about Sarver. In the grand scheme of things most people engage in conversation and don't get hurt feelings. So forgive me if I don't take this very seriously.



LOL. Let me pull 10 years of franchise level players out of my pocket. The facts are we have landed none. That is not disputable and a fact last time I checked. That is what counts. How many have we landed in his 10 years here? I didn't say it was easy and I didn't way there was an abundance. I simply stating a fact that under Sarver, he has yet to bring in his own franchise level player. Period. How is that disputable?




+1. Someone gets it.

Steve Nash came here under Sarver. In fact, he personally met with him. A two-time MVP and hall of famer counts as a franchise player I think.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Wow. I just looked at LeBron's website. Has class left our society entirely. The heading is "Just a kid from Akron Ohio." Which seems to be an attempt at some humility.

But then the headings are: The Man, The Philanthropist, The Businessman, The Athlete. Wow. The people around him just do not get it.

I would have loved to have him on the court in a Suns uni, but I will be glad not to have to look at the shameless self-worship every day.

 

[elindholm]

Wow. I just looked at LeBron's website.

Did you check out the "Where in the World is LeBron?" map? I love the featureless head-shaped pushpin markers, especially how they don't change in size when you zoom the map in or out.

 

[KloD]

You can never go wrong blaming Beasley.

I just think some people tend to put a negative spin on things and some people tend to put a positive spin. And some of us get a little too invested in an argument at times and things go south. Apparently, south is a bad place for things to go.

Steve

I don't take this stuff too seriously. But, I've stuck around this board since way back when it started at rivals because I believe it to be one of the best sports chat boards I've come across. Yes, I got on DarenG's case a bit, not because of his negativity, but because I don't see the logic in his argument and he IMO uses it in most every discussion lately. I'm sure he's a great person, I just get tired of reading the same thing over and over when I believe his argument to be flawed. I think I got on another poster once because he consistently posts conclusions which the evidence doesn't support. So for me, it's not about positive or negative spin. It's not about the whining (which I admit gets old especially when I have to hear it all the time from my 4 year old), but it's really about what I perceive to be poor arguments. Obviously he and others can disagree with me, I don't take it personal. Also, I disagree that his board has more "fighting" than the football board. I'm not a Cards fan so I don't post there, but I've seen many a nasty fight over there. Mush harsher than the stuff that goes on here.

 

[Chaplin]

I don't take this stuff too seriously. But, I've stuck around this board since way back when it started at rivals because I believe it to be one of the best sports chat boards I've come across. Yes, I got on DarenG's case a bit, not because of his negativity, but because I don't see the logic in his argument and he IMO uses it in most every discussion lately. I'm sure he's a great person, I just get tired of reading the same thing over and over when I believe his argument to be flawed. I think I got on another poster once because he consistently posts conclusions which the evidence doesn't support. So for me, it's not about positive or negative spin. It's not about the whining (which I admit gets old especially when I have to hear it all the time from my 4 year old), but it's really about what I perceive to be poor arguments. Obviously he and others can disagree with me, I don't take it personal. Also, I disagree that his board has more "fighting" than the football board. I'm not a Cards fan so I don't post there, but I've seen many a nasty fight over there. Mush harsher than the stuff that goes on here.

There's a difference between fights and out-and-out hostility and negativity.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don't take this stuff too seriously. But, I've stuck around this board since way back when it started at rivals because I believe it to be one of the best sports chat boards I've come across. Yes, I got on DarenG's case a bit, not because of his negativity, but because I don't see the logic in his argument and he IMO uses it in most every discussion lately. I'm sure he's a great person, I just get tired of reading the same thing over and over when I believe his argument to be flawed. I think I got on another poster once because he consistently posts conclusions which the evidence doesn't support. So for me, it's not about positive or negative spin. It's not about the whining (which I admit gets old especially when I have to hear it all the time from my 4 year old), but it's really about what I perceive to be poor arguments. Obviously he and others can disagree with me, I don't take it personal. Also, I disagree that his board has more "fighting" than the football board. I'm not a Cards fan so I don't post there, but I've seen many a nasty fight over there. Mush harsher than the stuff that goes on here.

Despite my apparent join date, I go back to the Rivals board too. I also follow the Cards board regularly. I think there is far more of a community sense on the Cards board but I think the sport lends itself to it more than does basketball. You're right, they do have some very intense squabbles at times. I think they have even more of an issue with perceived negativity versus blind loyalty than this board does. But I think there is much more of a sense of "we're in this together" than exists here.

I have the same problem you do with what I consider to be weak arguments. And I was definitely including myself when I said some of us get too invested in an argument now and then. But I also have a problem with the negativity. I don't question a person's right to be negative, I just don't like to surround myself with it. We're all negative at times but if you go looking for the negative in a situation or a person, you won't have to look very hard to find it. But my life and my health are noticeably better when I surround myself with positive people. I think that applies to everyone but that's just my opinion.

Steve

 

[SO91]

call me a dreamer, I still don't think that Lebron has decided on any teams

Go home Slin, you're STILL drunk on that 7-1 score.

 

[Phrazbit]

I'm not trying to say Sarver did or didn't cost us LeBron, but as I understand it he was one of the real villains during from the players perspective during the lockout. So any signings we made before then (Nash, Hill, ect) didn't have that as a factor.

And I do think he is growing as an owner, but rehab might take a few more years.

 

[Covert Rain]

Steve Nash came here under Sarver. In fact, he personally met with him. A two-time MVP and hall of famer counts as a franchise player I think.

In hindsight it's easy to draw that conclusion. However, at the time of the signing nobody thought Steve Nash was a franchise player and nobody thought he would do what he did here. Many around the league thought we overpaid for him. Not the same thing.

 

[JCSunsfan]

In hindsight it's easy to draw that conclusion. However, at the time of the signing nobody thought Steve Nash was a franchise player and nobody thought he would do what he did here. Many around the league thought we overpaid for him. Not the same thing.

He brought a franchise player here--not deniable.

 

[Covert Rain]

He brought a franchise player here--not deniable.

I agree but that's not the point I was making. My point was around Sarver's ability to draw and compete with other franchises for players considered franchise caliber throughout the league or said players showing interest in us. There is ZERO debate that we were very fortunate to get Steve an he turned into that kind of player. Just like I think there is ZERO debate that if those teams knew what kind of player he would become....there would not have been feeding frenzy competition for his services league wide at that time. Had that been the case and we still landed him I would see this as proof positive. That wasn't the case.

 

[Chaplin]

I agree but that's not the point I was making. My point was around Sarver's ability to draw and compete with other franchises for players considered franchise caliber throughout the league or said players showing interest in us. There is ZERO debate that we were very fortunate to get Steve an he turned into that kind of player. Just like I think there is ZERO debate that if those teams knew what kind of player he would become....there would not have been feeding frenzy competition for his services league wide at that time. Had that been the case and we still landed him I would see this as proof positive. That wasn't the case.

I still don't understand why you think it's easy to attract a franchise player when you don't have the means to actually do so.

 

[Cheesebeef]

In hindsight it's easy to draw that conclusion. However, at the time of the signing nobody thought Steve Nash was a franchise player and nobody thought he would do what he did here. Many around the league thought we overpaid for him. Not the same thing.

Not only that, but JC and his son were still really the face of the franchise at that point, with Jerry serving as Chairman and BC the GM.

 

[Covert Rain]

I still don't understand why you think it's easy to attract a franchise player when you don't have the means to actually do so.

Chap if you read through my various posts (yes I understand that's a monumental task)....you will see I stated just that. It wasn't easy for JC either but he manged to do it REPEATEDLY in his tenure. He did it when the cap situation was bad. He did it when the team was scraping bottom. He did it several times with the team in various states.

That is the job of owner. To say he has not had the means after 10 years is a cop out. Heck this is the second time Sarver has had good cap space to play with. Last time the team boasted of signing two max free agents we walked away with nothing and burned up cap space to burn it up. Sarver said he learned from that. This will be the 2nd time and let's see what we walk away with.

Not only that, but JC and his son were still really the face of the franchise at that point, with Jerry serving as Chairman and BC the GM.

Exactly. They were still pulling many of the personnel strings.

 

[BC867]

Despite my apparent join date, I go back to the Rivals board too. I also follow the Cards board regularly. I think there is far more of a community sense on the Cards board but I think the sport lends itself to it more than does basketball. You're right, they do have some very intense squabbles at times. I think they have even more of an issue with perceived negativity versus blind loyalty than this board does. But I think there is much more of a sense of "we're in this together" than exists here.

As we've discussed, I, too, was on Rivals.

My impression is that, from Rivals to ASFN, it is nowhere near as vicious as some sites I have seen over the years.

Like laid-back Phoenix, 'pretty mild.

 

[Chaplin]

As we've discussed, I, too, was on Rivals.

My impression is that, from Rivals to ASFN, it is nowhere near as vicious as some sites I have seen over the years.

Like laid-back Phoenix, 'pretty mild.

I don't know how many people were there, but the old ESPN boards were pretty crazy too. I think Mike O might have been there, but can't recall anyone else.