RFA Isaiah Thomas visiting Suns

[elindholm]

I don't get this at all. Why don't the Kings want to keep him, and why are the Suns putting on such a show for Bledsoe Lite?

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't get this at all. Why don't the Kings want to keep him, and why are the Suns putting on such a show for Bledsoe Lite?

I'm thinking there is a trade in the works. Without the Suns giving clues, it's hard to know.

 

[FutureSuperstar]

I wouldn't disregard how good a Thomas - Dragic - Bledsoe - Kieff - Len/Plumlee lineup could be. Remember the Mavs in 2011 played Barea - Terry - Kidd w/ Dirk & Chandler a lot and it worked very well. As long as you have rim-protection in the game, you can go really small in some situations and dominate that way. Kidd / Barea were sometimes matched on Lebron, but it didn't matter - Not because Lebron wasn't good ... But because Chandler was lurking behind waiting for Lebron to attack so he could rotate or block the shot.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don't get this at all. Why don't the Kings want to keep him, and why are the Suns putting on such a show for Bledsoe Lite?

agreed. Replacing either Dragic or Bledsoe with him makes very little sense to me unless we're getting a superstar somehow. Call me crazy, but a Thomas, Dragic, Love team has the makings of one of the worst defensive teams ever. And even a Bledsoe/Thomas/Love team isn't all that appealing.

 

[HooverDam]

I wouldn't disregard how good a Thomas - Dragic - Bledsoe - Kieff - Len/Plumlee lineup could be. Remember the Mavs in 2011 played Barea - Terry - Kidd w/ Dirk & Chandler a lot and it worked very well. As long as you have rim-protection in the game, you can go really small in some situations and dominate that way. Kidd / Barea were sometimes matched on Lebron, but it didn't matter - Not because Lebron wasn't good ... But because Chandler was lurking behind waiting for Lebron to attack so he could rotate or block the shot.

Alex Len is no Tyson Chandler.

And no one on the Suns is Dirk.

I'm not thrilled about the Suns looking to add a 5'8'' point guard who can't shoot. If you're 5'8'' you better be shooting 40% from 3 or whats the point?

 

[Cheesebeef]

I wouldn't disregard how good a Thomas - Dragic - Bledsoe - Kieff - Len/Plumlee lineup could be. Remember the Mavs in 2011 played Barea - Terry - Kidd w/ Dirk & Chandler a lot and it worked very well. As long as you have rim-protection in the game, you can go really small in some situations and dominate that way. Kidd / Barea were sometimes matched on Lebron, but it didn't matter - Not because Lebron wasn't good ... But because Chandler was lurking behind waiting for Lebron to attack so he could rotate or block the shot.

yeahhhh...only problem with the above is we don't have a Dirk/Chandler in the Thomas/Bledsoe/Dragic mix. Other then that, you've got a great point.

and now i'll wait for you to completely overrate kieff and len and compare them to Dirk (one of the best players of all time)/Chandler (one of the best defensive big men in the game when the Mavs won the title).

 

[JCSunsfan]

I'm thinking there is a trade in the works. Without the Suns giving clues, it's hard to know.

It's really hard to imagine anything different. The thing is that it could be Goran, Bled, or Ennis. Ennis to Toronto. Bledsoe to Cleveland if LeBron is there. No idea about Goran.

 

[elindholm]

Bledsoe to Cleveland if LeBron is there.

I was just wondering about that too. If James goes to Cleveland and they can't bring in a big, it makes sense for them to target Bledsoe as one of the best FAs left on the market. Maybe the Suns hold out for a sign-and-trade to get a draft pick.

 

[SirStefan32]

It's really hard to imagine anything different. The thing is that it could be Goran, Bled, or Ennis. Ennis to Toronto. Bledsoe to Cleveland if LeBron is there. No idea about Goran.

I think Ennis to Toronto is possible, but I don't understand how the Suns can tie up $35M+ in three combo guards in the long run. Bledsoe/ Thomas combo makes no sense (two undersized SGs that can't shoot), Dragic/ Thomas combo makes no sense (neither is a good defender.) Green and Goodwin need some playing time as well, they are keeping Tucker, along with the rookie and Marcus fighting for SF minutes. There has to be a trade in the works.

 

[95pro]

Not happy where things are going with this if we do sign and keep Isaiah Thomas.

Outside of signing lebron or bosh outright I don't see the need for adding more to our guard positions by throwing more money out there.

 

[FutureSuperstar]

yeahhhh...only problem with the above is we don't have a Dirk/Chandler in the Thomas/Bledsoe/Dragic mix. Other then that, you've got a great point.

and now i'll wait for you to completely overrate kieff and len and compare them to Dirk (one of the best players of all time)/Chandler (one of the best defensive big men in the game when the Mavs won the title).

I'm just talking about the defensive end - That seems to be the main concern w/ a 3 PG lineup. In terms of rim-protection, Plumlee / Len are comparable to Chandler. My point is just that a 3 PG lineup can easily be overcome defensively if there's at least 1, preferably, 2 big guys in there also ... I'm been a Mavs fan the past decade (Just been a Suns fan since last year) and Dirk's my favorite player of all time, so definitely no disrespect to him !

Len/Plumlee appear to be practicing together in summer league, so I think it's definitely a scenario the Suns are thinking about (playing them w/ 3 small guys)

 

[sunsfan88]

This makes no sense. Why does McD have such a hard on for point guards?

We have a million PGs on this roster. We need better big men not better point guards.

Thomas is not a good overall player. He's GARBAGE defensively and is a playground type player. Not a team player really.

I'd rather develop Goodwin than give a guy that even the KINGS don't want a chance.

And if people think Thomas can replace Bledsoe or Dragic who may get traded away lmao.

The difference between Thomas and Dragic & Bledsoe is about the same as the difference between Tucker and LeBron.

It makes WAY more sense to give the injury prone Bledsoe a max contract than give Thomas even a $3 million contract.

McD needs to quit watching tapes on PGs like it's porn and start looking at guys like Ed Davis, Jordan Hill etc.

 

[KloD]

I was just wondering about that too. If James goes to Cleveland and they can't bring in a big, it makes sense for them to target Bledsoe as one of the best FAs left on the market. Maybe the Suns hold out for a sign-and-trade to get a draft pick.

This makes no sense to me. Why on earth would they want to pay Bledsoe $12+ and have Kyrie at max? Where are they supposed to get the funds? They have little as far as bigs and I think Varejao is the only guy making over $5m a year. So where do they get the money for that? In fact Thompson is a restricted next summer. They can't let him go as Varejao will be unrestricted. They already have very little in forwards and centers and now people think they can pay Bledsoe? No way!

 

[SirStefan32]

I'm just talking about the defensive end - That seems to be the main concern w/ a 3 PG lineup. In terms of rim-protection, Plumlee / Len are comparable to Chandler. My point is just that a 3 PG lineup can easily be overcome defensively if there's at least 1, preferably, 2 big guys in there also ... I'm been a Mavs fan the past decade (Just been a Suns fan since last year) and Dirk's my favorite player of all time, so definitely no disrespect to him !

Len/Plumlee appear to be practicing together in summer league, so I think it's definitely a scenario the Suns are thinking about (playing them w/ 3 small guys)

No, they are not.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm just talking about the defensive end - That seems to be the main concern w/ a 3 PG lineup. In terms of rim-protection, Plumlee / Len are comparable to Chandler.

this is in no way, shape or form even close to being true.

 

[elindholm]

This makes no sense to me. Why on earth would they want to pay Bledsoe $12+ and have Kyrie at max? Where are they supposed to get the funds? They have little as far as bigs and I think Varejao is the only guy making over $5m a year. So where do they get the money for that? In fact Thompson is a restricted next summer. They can't let him go as Varejao will be unrestricted. They already have very little in forwards and centers and now people think they can pay Bledsoe? No way!

Well, once you put it that way...

 

[sunsfan88]

There's no way your getting a super young 20/6 PG for 6-8 million dollars. He's not going anywhere to be a backup.

If he's such a hot commodity why did the Kings elect to sign Collison over him? Why has he got no where near the attention that Lowry got?

 

[Folster]

I think we are working a sign and trade with Sacramento to acquire Gay, Thomas, and possible Stauskas or Derrick Williams for Bledsoe and filler. Why? A Bledsoe to Sac sign and trade for Thomas and the #8 pick had already been rumored prior to the draft. Gay has been a player that the Celtics have tried to acquire on multiple occasions while McD was with them. Rumors floated around during last season's trade deadline the Suns were interested trading for Gay or pursuing him if he opted out of his contract this offseason.

Gay gets a bad rap probably because he is overpaid, but he is only turning 28 in August and averages a solid 20/6 per game (which is going to get you max money in the NBA). However, he only has a year left on his contract. He's obviously not a #1 option on a contender, but he would immediately become our best player and significantly upgrade our SF position. The biggest detractor to Gay is that he has the 2nd worst assist to turnover ratios in the league, right behind his teammate DeMarcus Cousins

Thomas, Dragic, Gay, Morris, Plumlee

or

Bedsoe, Dragic, Tucker, Morris, Plumlee

Which line-up do you prefer?

 

[95pro]

Gay is junk. No thanks. Grizz and raptors moved on just fine, if not better sans gay.

Id rather have Deng who would play team ball and defend a little better than gay.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think we are working a sign and trade with Sacramento to acquire Gay, Thomas, and possible Stauskas or Derrick Williams for Bledsoe and filler. Why? A Bledsoe to Sac sign and trade for Thomas and the #8 pick had already been rumored prior to the draft. Gay has been a player that the Celtics have tried to acquire on multiple occasions while McD was with them. Rumors floated around during last season's trade deadline the Suns were interested trading for Gay or pursuing him if he opted out of his contract this offseason.

Gay gets a bad rap probably because he is overpaid, but he is only turning 28 in August and averages a solid 20/6 per game (which is going to get you max money in the NBA). However, he only has a year left on his contract. He's obviously not a #1 option on a contender, but he would immediately become our best player and significantly upgrade our SF position. The biggest detractor to Gay is that he has the 2nd worst assist to turnover ratios in the league, right behind his teammate DeMarcus Cousins

Thomas, Dragic, Gay, Morris, Plumlee

or

Bedsoe, Dragic, Tucker, Morris, Plummlee

Which line-up do you prefer?

I vote for the one with two "m" in plums name. I wonder if Ennis plays a part in this. miles was raving about him already.

 

[Superbone]

I just read that Earl Boykins and Muggsy Bogues are coming out of retirement and on their way to Phoenix for a tryout!

 

[PhxGametime]

If Coro's right about keeping Dragic, Bledsoe, and Thomas as 3 guard - I'd be interested. Trading Dragic or Bledsoe aren't really an option for me and Thomas can fill it up as 6th man alongside Goodwin (bench).

Tucker, Green, and Warren as your SF's. Plumlee, Len, and Alec Brown (insurance) at Center. With Markieff, Marcus, Warren, Tucker, Brown, and possibly Shavlik Randolph.

Alec Brown and Tyler Ennis can spend a lot of time in D-League...

or there's going to be a Blockbuster deal for PF or F/C.

 

[sunsfan88]

If Coro's right about keeping Dragic, Bledsoe, and Thomas as 3 guard - I'd be interested. Trading Dragic or Bledsoe aren't really an option for me and Thomas can fill it up as 6th man alongside Goodwin (bench).

Tucker, Green, and Warren as your SF's. Plumlee, Len, and Alec Brown (insurance) at Center. With Markieff, Marcus, Warren, Tucker, Brown, and possibly Shavlik Randolph.

Alec Brown and Tyler Ennis can spend a lot of time in D-League...

or there's going to be a Blockbuster deal for PF or F/C.

I bet Ennis wishes right about now that he got drafted by Toronto so that he could have at least got an opportunity to play....

 

[PhxGametime]

Reading some of the articles from azcentral about Archie Goodwin possibly having breakout Season; I'm guessing there could be a Trade. With Dragic, Bledsoe, Thomas (possibly), Goodwin, Green, Ennis, Smith (??), etc. on roster lol. If it's for a Star, I'd have-to assume one of Guards will leave - I'd hate to lose either player but if Goodwin appears to be 'ready'.

 

[sunsfan88]

double post.