Rich Bartel on Bickley and MJ great interview

[TJ]

Wait a minute. Bartel apparently didn't ask for his release until after the 2nd pre season game when he was told he wasn't going to get many reps going forward. So where does releasing him prior to camp come from?

Also once Bartel was placed on IR I thought he couldn't come back so why would he be complaining about not getting the Nate Poole/Pago Tagofu call?

Finally, of course a guy placed on IR especially a 3rd string QB is going to have limited options with other teams. Now if he were an offensive lineman he'd be on the Panthers roster.

He has been eligible to come back since Week 6. Put on IR then injury settlement.

This was posted right after the Skelton injury:

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Richard Bartel ‏@RichBartel
Even though Az released me I was initially put or IR. b/c of that I can't come back to Az for 6 weeks. Can sign anywhere else though.

 

[desertdawg]

Now that the line doesn't stink as bad, and with the defense rolling, Bartel or Kolb could bring some victories to the table. I'm not sure Whiz wants to win, if he has that rumored job secuirity, a draft pick might be what he is chasing. This week's playcall should give us a clue.

 

[D-Dogg]

Didn't warner say the offense was difficult?

I trust him (and the results before and since under Whis) as to the credibility of "the system is easy" comment.

It works!! It's easy!!! All it takes is a career backup down on his luck who needs a job to run it!!! C'mon AZ!!!

 

[Duckjake]

He has been eligible to come back since Week 6. Put on IR then injury settlement.

This was posted right after the Skelton injury:

Some of the NFL rules are hard to understand. So they have IR can't come back. IR can come back after a stipulated period of time and IR released who can come back after 6 weeks? Are there any more?

No wonder teams have MBA's on their staff to keep track of things like that.

Back to Bartel. Has there ever been a player who was as night and day between pre season and the regular season? I'm not talking about a guy who looks good in pre season like the WR we seem to have every year but a guy who was phenomenal in pre season for several years and then stunk it up in regular play.

133-193-1,583 yards 8 TDs and 4int. That's almost a 70% completion rate and over 8 yards per attempt. Then in the regular season he couldn't hit the broad side of a Peterbilt.

He'd be like a WR who had 8 targets a game, caught all 8 passes for 187 yards and 3 TDs and then in regular season had 8 targets dropped 6 and fumbled after catching the other two.

Or a RB who has 20 carries for 187 yards and 2 TDs every preseason game and then has 8 carries for -4 yards and 2 fumbles in regular season.

Just a strange situation.

 

[Phrazbit]

Didn't warner say the offense was difficult?

I trust him (and the results before and since under Whis) as to the credibility of "the system is easy" comment.

It works!! It's easy!!! All it takes is a career backup down on his luck who needs a job to run it!!! C'mon AZ!!!

Warner grasped it immediately. I can see the argument either way, but I wouldnt doubt that Bartel understands the system and the reads but isnt talented enough to do anything with it. There have been plenty of intelligent guys who stunk as players but grasped that stuff. Sean Payton for example, awful QB, great at designing and understanding offense.

I am slowly leaning more to getting rid of Whiz, not because his offense doesnt work but because he keeps tabbing horrible QBs and I dont trust him to lead the search for a new one.

 

[Mitch]

How so? With the injury questions about Kolb going into the season, we needed four QBs in camp in case he (or someone else) went down. Just so happened that Bartel was the man who suffered the injury. Weren't you the poster who was lobbying for Kolb to take an injury settlement in the offseason?

Had the tables have been turned and either Skelton or Kolb sustained their respective injuries during preeseason, Bartel would have made the 53 man roster.

Whisen-haters would have probably blasted him for releasing Bartel before camp even with this information.

When Bartel was cut at the end of TC, TJ, all 3 QBs were healthy. What does putting Bartel on the IR at that point do for anyone, especially when Bartel wanted to be released?

Please explain. i don't understand your reasoning.

 

[Phrazbit]

When Bartel was cut at the end of TC, TJ, all 3 QBs were healthy. What does putting Bartel on the IR at that point do for anyone, especially when Bartel wanted to be released?

Please explain. i don't understand your reasoning.

As I understand it Bartel wanted to be released BEFORE the end of preseason, when it became clear that they were going to give Lindley more snaps. He wanted out while he still had a chance to catch on with another team in their camp.

However, at the end of camp when Bartel got put on the IR its because he actually was hurt, he got hurt during the final preseason game. At that point throwing him on the IR guarantees Bartel gets salary and the Cards dont have the potential headache of an injury settlement.

Once camp was over and Bartel was hurt I doubt he had any problem with going on the IR. At that point if anything the injury made him some salary as opposed to getting outright released too late to catch on elsewhere.

 

[Duckjake]

As I understand it Bartel wanted to be released BEFORE the end of preseason, when it became clear that they were going to give Lindley more snaps. He wanted out while he still had a chance to catch on with another team in their camp.

However, at the end of camp when Bartel got put on the IR its because he actually was hurt, he got hurt during the final preseason game. At that point throwing him on the IR guarantees Bartel gets salary and the Cards dont have the potential headache of an injury settlement.

Once camp was over and Bartel was hurt I doubt he had any problem with going on the IR. At that point if anything the injury made him some salary as opposed to getting outright released too late to catch on elsewhere.

Especially if the Cards were telling him they were going to bring him back.

 

[D-Dogg]

Warner grasped it immediately.

I've NEVER seen this reported, and have heard the opposite.

 

[desertdawg]

I've NEVER seen this reported, and have heard the opposite.

Yamon, he was splitting time with Leenart until #7 was pop pop poppin his collar. Then he got into a groove. Kinda when he started calling his own plays and knew he couldn't be benched any more....provocative...

 

[Cheesebeef]

I've NEVER seen this reported, and have heard the opposite.

whatever Warner says about the system being hard to get, it sure didn't look like it as he came and starting slinging it immediately like he did back in Rams heyday.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yamon, he was splitting time with Leenart until #7 was pop pop poppin his collar. Then he got into a groove. Kinda when he started calling his own plays and knew he couldn't be benched any more....provocative...

he got in a groove the first time he was put in the game against Baltimore.

 

[desertdawg]

he got in a groove the first time he was put in the game against Baltimore.

AZ QBs are always the bomb when they first get in, then the system's handlers mess our guys up...provocative again... It wasn't until Kurt won the job and did his own thing, then we went looking for a ring.

 

[Cheesebeef]

AZ QBs are always the bomb when they first get in, then the system's handlers mess our guys up...provocative again... It wasn't until Kurt won the job and did his own thing, then we went looking for a ring.

he threw 27 touchdowns, with a 65% completion rate and 2700 yards with only 10 starts in his first season in Wiz's system. Call me crazy, but that's getting it done immediately if you ask me... and probably anyone else.

 

[WarnerHOF]

The system is only a small percentage of the problem. The bigger problem is that Whisenhunt has picked up some bad players who will have a hard time running any system.

Derek Anderson looked like the same horrible QB he was in Cleveland
Kolb is still the same mediocre inconsistent QB he was in Philly
Skelton, Hall and Lindley are ******** in the football sense and can't execute any system.

You're not going to be able to run 30 times a game either and work off 3rd and short/playaction either because Beanie Wells sucks.

 

[desertdawg]

he threw 27 touchdowns, with a 65% completion rate and 2700 yards with only 10 starts in his first season in Wiz's system. Call me crazy, but that's getting it done immediately if you ask me... and probably anyone else.

Are you still talking one game? Or are you just looking stuff up as the conversation goes?

 

[desertdawg]

Yo cheese let me save you some time. Whiz had a major part of our superbowl run, and he got Warner here. But Warner has been the only successful QB here, out of like 200, coincidence?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Are you still talking one game? Or are you just looking stuff up as the conversation goes?

lol... no. I just remember what happened and Duckjake's brought those stats up in this same argument about how difficult Wiz's system is over the years, that it's like second nature to type 'em. bottom line, he started flame throwing passes the second he got put in the game and never stopped. not sure how that's debated and it flies completely in the face of the idea that it took him a while to learn the system.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yo cheese let me save you some time. Whiz had a major part of our superbowl run, and he got Warner here. But Warner has been the only successful QB here, out of like 200, coincidence?

now, I really don't get where you're going with this. Warner's the only successful QB since the Wiz days because he's the only legit QB this team has had under Wiz. Those are 200 QBs have pretty much all washed out of the league or are about to.

and Wiz didn't get Warner here. DG did.

 

[desertdawg]

lol... no. I just remember what happened and Duckjake's brought those stats up in this same argument about how difficult Wiz's system is over the years, that it's like second nature to type 'em. bottom line, he started flame throwing passes the second he got put in the game and never stopped. not sure how that's debated and it flies completely in the face of the idea that it took him a while to learn the system.

My bad dawg, I was just bringing up that Whiz had Warner splitting time with collarbone. I guess that's more on Whiz than Warner. Warner was the man.

 

[desertdawg]

now, I really don't get where you're going with this. Warner's the only successful QB since the Wiz days because he's the only legit QB this team has had under Wiz. Those are 200 QBs have pretty much all washed out of the league or are about to.

and Wiz didn't get Warner here. DG did.

DG for Pres!!!

 

[Cheesebeef]

DG for Pres!!!

dude... how much are you smoking tonight? all I did was correct the fact that it wasn't wiz who brought him in.

 

[Cheesebeef]

My bad dawg, I was just bringing up that Whiz had Warner splitting time with collarbone. I guess that's more on Whiz than Warner. Warner was the man.

ah.

 

[desertdawg]

dude... how much are you smoking tonight? all I did was correct the fact that it wasn't wiz who brought him in.

I crack jokes all day, and yes, I smoke all day...and night. Only when I'm awake though.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I crack jokes all day, and yes, I smoke all day...and night.

don't quit your day job dawg.