Richard Sherman: I'd Be Benched Giving Up As Many TDs As Patrick Peterson

[sunsfan88]

You all need to relax he has had an off year, he is still a top CB in the NFL. Next season we can all talk about the off year he had in 2014 and laugh. He is the least of our problems on this team geesh...

Isn't he the 2nd highest paid player on the team?

 

[sunsfan88]

I looked up their Wonderlic scores and found that (allegedly) Sherman scored 24 and Peterson 9. Relevant??

...dbs

Sherman is one of the most intelligent football players in the NFL.

He had a 4.0 in high school and went to Stanford.

No s**t he's ten times smarter than Peterson.

But damn a 9 for Peterson means he could be almost at borderline retardation.

 

[schutd]

But damn a 9 for Peterson means he could be almost at borderline retardation.

This line is evidence of EVERYTHING wrong with us as a society. WTF do you know about PP on a personal level? Take it from me, Id get a 24 on a wonderlic, and my daughter, who is smarter than me might only get a 9. People are wired differently. Grrrrr. The above makes me so mad. Judgement judgement judgement, and then drag it thru the mud. Thats what we do.

Such a ******** post. Ban me.

 

[Russ Smith]

There's actually a negative correlation between the Wonderlic and playing CB, that is there's a distinct trend that says good CB's generally don't score well on it. Sherman is the exception.

In fact it's widely believed many NFL teams don't like players who score too highly on the Wonderlic. The highest score is a 50, Pat Mcinally is the only guy to get one and he was told it probably dropped him in the draft because NFL teams don't want a player who is "too smart." Both Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers had people questioning their makeup for the NFL because they scored too high on the Wonderlic. Apparently there's 2 lines of thinking, one a player that smart might question authority (the coaches) and two that being that smart will make them "different" from the vast majority of guys on the team and thus they won't relate to the players and be a good leader.

Morris Claiborne scored a 4, which is apparently the lowest ever, in his case he apparently didn't finish the test and has said he did it on purpose because he thought taking it was insulting.

 

[dreday]

This line is evidence of EVERYTHING wrong with us as a society. WTF do you know about PP on a personal level? Take it from me, Id get a 24 on a wonderlic, and my daughter, who is smarter than me might only get a 9. People are wired differently. Grrrrr. The above makes me so mad. Judgement judgement judgement, and then drag it thru the mud. Thats what we do.

Such a ******** post. Ban me.

Are you saying its not right to judge people based on performance?

If you are, which I think you are then don't blame society for crappy performances, man up to it and concede to being a crappy performer or do something about it to be better.

Jeez, I'd rather go to a doctor that got the highest score on his test than the lowest score in his class and barely got his diploma.

 

[cardpa]

Sherman has been a very solid player. No doubt the scheme he plays in helps him. That said he still needs to make plays and does so. The scheme Peterson plays in demands more of him. He gets less help than Sherman some of the time. That said he still needs to make plays and doesn't.

If you are going to make a statement that you are the best CB in the entire league you had better back it up by making plays whether you are on an island or you have help. Peterson doesn't do it. You can argue Sherman has help however he uses that help to make plays. Peterson on the other hand plays soft and doesn't make plays.

What I do believe is Sherman gets too much credit and that you can attack him and beat him. He is somewhat overrated and teams tend not to throw in his direction. I would go after him every time I saw he was in one on one coverage. I think this would expose him and if he was constantly getting beat in one on one it would force Seattle out of their defensive game plan by forcing them to give him help all the time which would open other options up to you. I think that is how you beat the Seattle secondary.

 

[oaken1]

Sherman is a baller no doubt,...as stated previously, the schemes involved affect both players....as does the pass rush.
However..... PP needs to man up and earn his pay....my hope is that he has enough pride and intestinal fortitude to see these comments from Sherman and work his ass off to be better.



For those of you advocating the strip vs the tackle against beast mode.... Bull ****. You make an attempt to strip and if that fails you bring him down or push him out of bounds. That is the only correct play.... claiming they would have just scored a couple plays later is a loser mentality...no, they would not have....because our defense would have stopped them....the JOB of a defense is to stop the other team from scoring...each time,...every time,...with zero exceptions. Stopping them, gives our offense(however weak it may be) another opportunity to put points on the board.....had the tackle been made,...then maybe the next play is an INT,...or a fumble...you never know,...and you continue to never know if you allow the other team to score......team up by 3....make the tackle,....team down by 20...make the damned tackle....also, allowing that type of play to become a score has a drastic affect on momentum and both teams morale.
Both times we played the hags this season the biggest problem we had was a defense that had the mentality that it had to make big plays....the first game they went after Wilson relentlessly and got eaten alive by the screen play,...this game,...well,....you all saw it and the beast mode TD was the most blatant.......... we played a decent first half...not great, but we were in the game even though we were firing with an unloaded gun.....for some reason they came out of the locker room desperate on both sides of the ball and that was unnecessary....coaches screwed the pooch...didn't keep the team focused and disciplined. Players screwed the pooch by dropping discipline and forgetting fundamental football......what makes a star player is not the ability to make amazing plays every game....but the ability and willingness to make the routine plays every single time.

 

[Chopper0080]

See: http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=214835&highlight=putting

4-Patrick Peterson is really, really good. That doesn't mean he doesn't need to improve, but that need to improve doesn't mean he isn't really, really good.

 

[phillycard]

This line is evidence of EVERYTHING wrong with us as a society. WTF do you know about PP on a personal level? Take it from me, Id get a 24 on a wonderlic, and my daughter, who is smarter than me might only get a 9. People are wired differently. Grrrrr. The above makes me so mad. Judgement judgement judgement, and then drag it thru the mud. Thats what we do.

Such a ******** post. Ban me.

Great post schutd. I stand firmly with you on this.

 

[Milgod]

See: http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=214835&highlight=putting

4-Patrick Peterson is really, really good. That doesn't mean he doesn't need to improve, but that need to improve doesn't mean he isn't really, really good.

If he isn't the best then he can't be very good.

According to some . . .

 

[TJ]

Who gives a **** about wonderlic scores? Ryan Fitzpatrick got a 50 and he's a journeyman QB. I scored a 40 and I never played in the NFL.

It's as if some will find any reason to marginalize a player they target as being a scrub.

"He drinks RC Cola?!?! Only the worst corners drink RC. What a bust!"

Additionally, why are so many people getting butt hurt by what that insecure, Adderall loaded clown in Seattle thinks?

Ugh

 

[sunsfan88]

Sherman has been a very solid player. No doubt the scheme he plays in helps him. That said he still needs to make plays and does so. The scheme Peterson plays in demands more of him. He gets less help than Sherman some of the time. That said he still needs to make plays and doesn't.

If you are going to make a statement that you are the best CB in the entire league you had better back it up by making plays whether you are on an island or you have help. Peterson doesn't do it. You can argue Sherman has help however he uses that help to make plays. Peterson on the other hand plays soft and doesn't make plays.

What I do believe is Sherman gets too much credit and that you can attack him and beat him. He is somewhat overrated and teams tend not to throw in his direction. I would go after him every time I saw he was in one on one coverage. I think this would expose him and if he was constantly getting beat in one on one it would force Seattle out of their defensive game plan by forcing them to give him help all the time which would open other options up to you. I think that is how you beat the Seattle secondary.

Kap tried the game plan couple weeks ago and Sherman picked him off like 3 times.

If the reason Sherman is so much better than Peterson is because Sherman gets help, then isn't it time to give Peterson some help considering how much he's struggling?

 

[sunsfan88]

See: http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=214835&highlight=putting

4-Patrick Peterson is really, really good. That doesn't mean he doesn't need to improve, but that need to improve doesn't mean he isn't really, really good.

"Really, really good" CBs don't lead the league in giving up most TDs.

 

[Chopper0080]

"Really, really good" CBs don't lead the league in giving up most TDs.

Average CBs don't make the plays that he does. Average CBs aren't left alone in man coverage for 50+ snaps a game.

I would take Sherman and Revis over him right now. I think he is more inconsistent than Talib, but is more athletic. Chris Harris is playing better right now, but I think he is really helped by Miller and Ware. Haden is good but seems to have leveled off. I think Xavier Rhodes and Marcus Trufant are shining stars right now who could pass up Peterson if he level off. Brent Grimes is awesome but is also 5'10. That matters. Who else is even in the conversation?

That = "really, really good"

EDIT- Keenan Lewis is pretty good too, but I'm not sure if I think he is better than Harris.

 

[sunsfan88]

Average CBs don't make the plays that he does. Average CBs aren't left alone in man coverage for 50+ snaps a game.

I would take Sherman and Revis over him right now. I think he is more inconsistent than Talib, but is more athletic. Chris Harris is playing better right now, but I think he is really helped by Miller and Ware. Haden is good but seems to have leveled off. I think Xavier Rhodes and Marcus Trufant are shining stars right now who could pass up Peterson if he level off. Brent Grimes is awesome but is also 5'10. That matters. Who else is even in the conversation?

That = "really, really good"

I'll take Vontae Davis & Brandon Flowers over him as well. Brent Grimes is better than PP, I don't care about his height, he isn't giving up TD after TD.

Peterson is the #1 paid CB in the league right? Why isn't he playing at even a top 5 level?

 

[kerouac9]

I'll take Vontae Davis & Brandon Flowers over him as well. Brent Grimes is better than PP, I don't care about his height, he isn't giving up TD after TD.

Peterson is the #1 paid CB in the league right? Why isn't he playing at even a top 5 level?

LOL. File this under "Haters gonna hate."

 

[TJ]

"Really, really good" CBs don't lead the league in giving up most TDs.

I can tell you from watching the games, something I don't think a Chargers fan does, that half of those TDs that are charged to PP are not his (or completely his) fault. There were a couple in which A pick was set on Peterson, and/or he had no safety or linebacker help.

Saying that he allowed 8 TDs is not as black and white as tracking a WR's TD catches. The stats guys who assign them don't have an idea of what the play design was and whether or not he was supposed to be given help up top.

 

[Tahuyaman]

If a player is going to talk trash and claim to be the best and engage in trash talk with another player generally considered to be the best, he needs to walk the walk. So far, one CB has backed up his brash trash talk with his play and another has not.

 

[Chopper0080]

If a player is going to talk trash and claim to be the best and engage in trash talk with another player generally considered to be the best, he needs to walk the walk. So far, one CB has backed up his brash trash talk with his play and another has not.

Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that he is really, really good.

 

[Chopper0080]

I'll take Vontae Davis & Brandon Flowers over him as well. Brent Grimes is better than PP, I don't care about his height, he isn't giving up TD after TD.

Peterson is the #1 paid CB in the league right? Why isn't he playing at even a top 5 level?

If you think Flowers and Davis are better than Peterson, I can't help you.

If you think Brent Grimes is asked to do HALF of what Peterson is asked to do, you are mistaken.

If you think Peterson is over paid for being a top 10 guy and not a top 5 guy...fine. That is up to you. But to say that he isn't a top NFL CB is silly.

Seriously, the guy is in the top 10 of all 64 starting CBs, and we are arguing that he isn't really, really good because he talks like he is the best? Really?

 

[Tahuyaman]

Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that he is really, really good.

He's a good player. I don't know how many "really" modifiers are required, but I do know that he's showing that he's not nearly as good as he thinks, or says he is. That's really, really.... really obvious.

 

[Tahuyaman]

I'll take Vontae Davis & Brandon Flowers over him as well. Brent Grimes is better than PP,

They are playing better this year anyway.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

You can't be considered the top CB in the league if you are taking years off. I don't recall any CB called the "best" in the league taking years off that is equivalent of the piss poor play we have seen out of him this year.

The difference between "a top corner" and "the best corner" is miles away..

Reading comprehension ftw!!

 

[Chopper0080]

The difference between "a top corner" and "the best corner" is miles away..

Reading comprehension ftw!!

almost as large as your avatar's bust size...

 

[Chopper0080]

They are playing better this year anyway.

Not even close.