Richaun Holmes arrested in Miami for pot

[Hoop Head]

I don't mind replacing Holmes because we can't go into next season with the same rotation players that only won 19 games. I know Holmes is young and should improve but we have Ayton as far as an improving Center. The coaching staff needs to focus on him.

Ayton's development would probably be helped along if he had a veteran to go against in practice also rather than a smaller C like Holmes.

I also think Holmes will get a pretty decent payday this offseason, regardless of the pot arrest. He's worth more than the league minimum.

We could use someone like Dedmon who is a real rim protector also as a change of pace when Ayton isn't on the floor.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Huh. I thought Holmes was one of the pleasant surprises. I’m a little surprised so many of you are fine with letting him walk.

 

[Yuma]

I was pretty much re-sign Oubre and Holmes. I guess hitting the three is the be all and end all now days.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Huh. I thought Holmes was one of the pleasant surprises. I’m a little surprised so many of you are fine with letting him walk.

There are always hustle guys out there looking for jobs. For every Lou Amundson there will be a Holmes waiting in the wings.

 

[AzStevenCal]

There are always hustle guys out there looking for jobs. For every Lou Amundson there will be a Holmes waiting in the wings.

True but don't you think Holmes is a bit out of Lou's league? I'd like to keep Holmes but I realize we may have to let him go if the offers get too high.

 

[JCSunsfan]

True but don't you think Holmes is a bit out of Lou's league? I'd like to keep Holmes but I realize we may have to let him go if the offers get too high.

I see Holmes and Lou (the year he played for us) as very similar.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

There are always hustle guys out there looking for jobs. For every Lou Amundson there will be a Holmes waiting in the wings.

Funny, before Holmes we didn’t seem to have one. Lots of people in here making assumptions about how easy it is to land players.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I see Holmes and Lou (the year he played for us) as very similar.

They play the same role but IMO Holmes is noticeably better. We loved Lou in large part because he worked his butt off. But he was really an overachiever out there whereas Holmes brings the energy and has the physical gifts and talent to match it. Lou was exposed as that second lineup was gradually broken up and although he hung around he never had that same level of success.

 

[Mainstreet]

@Ouchie-Z-Clown

I agree, losing Holmes should not be minimized. Maybe he can be replaced, maybe he can't.

Faried would bring some similar energy to the power forward position.

 

[95pro]

Maybe the Suns called the bluff on Holmes and decided not come to an agreement on the financials...

Faried is too old now at his size to really be effective, even off the bench. These energy & hustle guys do come around often but they're not consistent in bringing that type of work to the league season after season. Could just be a fart in the wind not worth spending what he's asking. The weed thing is still a drug thing to the league, could also add to the Suns/Williams not wanting that type of lifestyle around the court.

I personally would still like him around for 2-4million, i'm not even sure what these type of players get paid anymore as the contracts league wide are getting more skewed.

 

[Hoop Head]

They play the same role but IMO Holmes is noticeably better. We loved Lou in large part because he worked his butt off. But he was really an overachiever out there whereas Holmes brings the energy and has the physical gifts and talent to match it. Lou was exposed as that second lineup was gradually broken up and although he hung around he never had that same level of success.

I think Rashaun is more of an Alan Williams type. He's active on the floor all the time, sometimes to a fault. He's not as good as boxing out as Williams but Big Sauce was wide and that helped him a lot when it came to securing rebounds. Holmes has more lift and isn't as limited offensively but he's not exactly good offensively either.

There will be Alan Williams types available in free agency. I don't think we'll miss Holmes all that much. He's a fine player but how much longer is ok playing behind Ayton? He's not much older than him, I'd prefer someone who doesn't settle for the backup role and pushes him, even if they don't have the talent to surpass him.

 

[95pro]

Holmes like Alan Williams???

Lou and Holmes is a better comparison. Lou didn't have the skill to drive and spin, finish with a soft touch. They were both great at finishing with dunks though. Lou with that platoon squad was fun to watch.

 

[Yuma]

Holmes was a rim wrecker! That's what was fun about his game. Plus he hustled for boards. If Ayton had the same hustle, we would be looking at 15 to 20 boards a night. Almost can't knock Ayton for stepping on the court and he has ten boards before tip off practically on the score sheet.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

They play the same role but IMO Holmes is noticeably better. We loved Lou in large part because he worked his butt off. But he was really an overachiever out there whereas Holmes brings the energy and has the physical gifts and talent to match it. Lou was exposed as that second lineup was gradually broken up and although he hung around he never had that same level of success.

Agree 100%

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

@Ouchie-Z-Clown

I agree, losing Holmes should not be minimized. Maybe he can be replaced, maybe he can't.

Faried would bring some similar energy to the power forward position.

Yes faried would be a great energizer at PF. But losing Holmes without effectively replacing him (and counting on automatic replacement is folly with this organization) leaves us really thin behind Ayton. It was mice having someone who could effectively mop up minutes if Ayton was sitting.

 

[SirStefan32]

I am not buying this report. Letting Holmes go would be a mistake.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I am not buying this report. Letting Holmes go would be a mistake.

How high would you go to keep him? And would you still keep him if we had to choose between him and Oubre? I want to keep both of them but I don't want to overpay much for Holmes. Some of the things I've read suggests we may have to pay him starter money and I'm not sure I'd go that far. We probably have to overpay to sign Oubre but I'm a little more willing to do that with Kelly.

I know most would disagree but I'd actually be fine with adding the 6 pick to the exact same roster we finished this season with. Assuming good health and a happy Warren, I think we could shock a lot of people with our improvement.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

How high would you go to keep him? And would you still keep him if we had to choose between him and Oubre? I want to keep both of them but I don't want to overpay much for Holmes. Some of the things I've read suggests we may have to pay him starter money and I'm not sure I'd go that far. We probably have to overpay to sign Oubre but I'm a little more willing to do that with Kelly.

I know most would disagree but I'd actually be fine with adding the 6 pick to the exact same roster we finished this season with. Assuming good health and a happy Warren, I think we could shock a lot of people with our improvement.

What team is going to pay Holmes starter money? While I think the crew around who thinks he is easily replaceable is underselling his value, I think anyone who thinks we need to pay him stater money is likely greatly overvaluing him.

 

[Yuma]

How high would you go to keep him? And would you still keep him if we had to choose between him and Oubre? I want to keep both of them but I don't want to overpay much for Holmes. Some of the things I've read suggests we may have to pay him starter money and I'm not sure I'd go that far. We probably have to overpay to sign Oubre but I'm a little more willing to do that with Kelly.

I know most would disagree but I'd actually be fine with adding the 6 pick to the exact same roster we finished this season with. Assuming good health and a happy Warren, I think we could shock a lot of people with our improvement.

I could go with Coby White. I am assuming you are adding him to Oubre + Holmes? At 32 we need a PF. We are/may be losing the only PF in Bender off our roster. That would be bare bones minimum to get us by, I would think. The success level would be all depending on how well White plays. He would have to be better than TJ and our other PGs to show improvement on our team in that area. Not as big an impact, but a true PF on our roster would do wonders for us matching up with big front lines. We can't play small ball all the time. I am assuming Ray Spalding is back too since he was on our roster? A big roster question mark, is how bad was our coaching last year, and will coaching alone translate into wins? That seems an area we all have glossed over.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I am not buying this report. Letting Holmes go would be a mistake.

Again. Gambo is saying that they are looking at Dedmon to fill that role.

 

[JCSunsfan]

What team is going to pay Holmes starter money? While I think the crew around who thinks he is easily replaceable is underselling his value, I think anyone who thinks we need to pay him stater money is likely greatly overvaluing him.

I know I am in the first category. Its not so much about Holmes. 40% of the players in the league are free agents this summer (according to Adam Silver). That's a lot of replacement level players looking for jobs.

 

[AzStevenCal]

What team is going to pay Holmes starter money? While I think the crew around who thinks he is easily replaceable is underselling his value, I think anyone who thinks we need to pay him stater money is likely greatly overvaluing him.

Unfortunately that doesn't really matter. If he and his agent are convinced that his value is mid to high teens (and that was the rumor when he was still in Philly) we're probably going to have to let him walk. If we can get him for 8 to 10 per though, I would expect us to lock him up for 3 years.

 

[Yuma]

I know I am in the first category. Its not so much about Holmes. 40% of the players in the league are free agents this summer (according to Adam Silver). That's a lot of replacement level players looking for jobs.

I have been seeing the phrase, The Summer of Free Agency bandied about because there is so much "potential" movement in the market. Some teams may end up with complete facelifts after the draft and free agency. Some guys are even opting out of contracts even with the glut of free agents out there.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I could go with Coby White. I am assuming you are adding him to Oubre + Holmes? At 32 we need a PF. We are/may be losing the only PF in Bender off our roster. That would be bare bones minimum to get us by, I would think. The success level would be all depending on how well White plays. He would have to be better than TJ and our other PGs to show improvement on our team in that area. Not as big an impact, but a true PF on our roster would do wonders for us matching up with big front lines. We can't play small ball all the time. I am assuming Ray Spalding is back too since he was on our roster? A big roster question mark, is how bad was our coaching last year, and will coaching alone translate into wins? That seems an area we all have glossed over.

I meant everyone back including Bender. Obviously our roster last season was horrible at first but then we made some upgrades that were minor on paper but significant nonetheless. Had we been fully healthy I'm confident we would have won close to half our remaining games with Tyler, Booker, Oubre, Holmes, Warren, Jackson, Bender, Crawford, Ayton, Daniels, Melton, Okobo and Spalding available. And I expect most of them to continue improving.

 

[BC867]

Huh. I thought Holmes was one of the pleasant surprises. I’m a little surprised so many of you are fine with letting him walk.

I agree. The life that Holmes brought to the Suns on the court was priceless.

If we could solve our problems at PG/PF and needed to include Holmes to make it happen, of course.

But to let him walk, I'm with you. No!