Richaun Holmes arrested in Miami for pot

[Yuma]

I meant everyone back including Bender. Obviously our roster last season was horrible at first but then we made some upgrades that were minor on paper but significant nonetheless. Had we been fully healthy I'm confident we would have won close to half our remaining games with Tyler, Booker, Oubre, Holmes, Warren, Jackson, Bender, Crawford, Ayton, Daniels, Melton, Okobo and Spalding available. And I expect most of them to continue improving.

I think that's too radical a notion for some on this board! It was the way it had to be done when I was a kid. You built through the draft because you did not have free agency. Of course you had trades. Teams like Boston, LA, NY, etc., always seemed to screw over the little guys on trades!

 

[JCSunsfan]

Unfortunately that doesn't really matter. If he and his agent are convinced that his value is mid to high teens (and that was the rumor when he was still in Philly) we're probably going to have to let him walk. If we can get him for 8 to 10 per though, I would expect us to lock him up for 3 years.

8 is the max I would pay him. He is not a 10 million player.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I meant everyone back including Bender. Obviously our roster last season was horrible at first but then we made some upgrades that were minor on paper but significant nonetheless. Had we been fully healthy I'm confident we would have won close to half our remaining games with Tyler, Booker, Oubre, Holmes, Warren, Jackson, Bender, Crawford, Ayton, Daniels, Melton, Okobo and Spalding available. And I expect most of them to continue improving.

We were a 19 win team. Yes we were improving, but still, a 19 win team. I am usually the stability guy and the optimist, but I think bringing everyone back would be a very--well, McDonough thing to do.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yes faried would be a great energizer at PF. But losing Holmes without effectively replacing him (and counting on automatic replacement is folly with this organization) leaves us really thin behind Ayton. It was mice having someone who could effectively mop up minutes if Ayton was sitting.

Those are my feelings as well about Holmes as I made clear... "losing Holmes should not be minimized."

Faried would be a great depth signing at power forward. He brings some of the same energy.

 

[AzStevenCal]

We were a 19 win team. Yes we were improving, but still, a 19 win team. I am usually the stability guy and the optimist, but I think bringing everyone back would be a very--well, McDonough thing to do.

And yet, I can prove it is the precise opposite of what he'd do or at least the opposite of what he has done. He'd be far more likely to let Holmes and Oubre go and then stretch Tyler to free up enough money so we could try and sign Kevin Durant. Next, we'd hire KD's coach from kiddie league basketball and then we'd wait it out only to see him and all the other free agents sign elsewhere. So we'd fill out our missing spots with G League players and replace them a couple of times throughout the season along with a mid-season trade that would send 3 or 4 guys packing while bringing in 6 new players, 4 of whom we'd release.

We've had an incredible, almost unbelievable, amount of turnover the past 4 years, some stability would be nice. A good free agent acquisition or two would be even nicer but I'm not confident that will happen.

And yes, we were a 19 win team, there's no hiding that fact. We were ridiculously young but they'd all be a year older and a step closer to knowing what to do out there. And fully healthy. Last season our best player was healthy and available for maybe 25 games, we got about 40 healthy games from our 2nd best player, our 3rd best player was a 19 year old rookie who also missed 11 games, our 4th best player missed a dozen games, our 5th best player was a rookie, and our 6th best player was available for just 13 games.

 

[AzStevenCal]

8 is the max I would pay him. He is not a 10 million player.

Perhaps you're right, I don't have a good enough feel for player salaries to quibble over 2 million but IMO he's better than a lot of players that are paid in the 10 to 12 range.

 

[Mainstreet]

We were a 19 win team. Yes we were improving, but still, a 19 win team. I am usually the stability guy and the optimist, but I think bringing everyone back would be a very--well, McDonough thing to do.

I'm not sure about it being the "McDonough thing to do" but I agree bringing everyone back is the wrong thing to do.

I certainly do not want Fredette back.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'm not sure about it being the "McDonough thing to do" but I agree bringing everyone back is the wrong thing to do.

I certainly do not want Fredette back.

I'd forgotten about Jimmer and yeah, I doubt I'd bring him back either.

 

[Mainstreet]

This is the move that puzzles me the most about James Jones... signing Jimmer Fredette.

I do not want to see any more of these type signings. I'm not sure what he was thinking.

 

[Yuma]

This is the move that puzzles me the most about James Jones... signing Jimmer Fredette.

I do not want to see any more of these type signings. I'm not sure what he was thinking.

I could see bringing him in for a look. However, the first two games he played, you can see why he's in China. Just NOT NBA talent.

 

[Mainstreet]

I could see bringing him in for a look. However, the first two games he played, you can see why he's in China. Just NOT NBA talent.

I can't see the Suns bringing back Fredette but it didn't make sense last season either.

 

[Hoop Head]

I can't see the Suns bringing back Fredette but it didn't make sense last season either.

It did make sense though. We needed scoring, Jimmer is supposed to be good at that and it was past the point of being able to offer 10 day contracts. Signing him for the league minimum to get a look at him wasn't a bad move. We had an open roster spot that needed to be filled and we had more than enough young players. Jimmer expressed interest in joining the Suns so it was worth taking a look at him, if it panned out then James Jones would be praised for such a great signing but ultimately there was really no risk involved.

I don't see how giving Jimmer a look as a 12th man was a move that Jones deserves to be knocked for. He was an end of the bench signing that played like a fringe NBA player, like most end of the bench players do. He wanted to be here, which was a positive, and he also gave the Suns some positive publicity with how he talked up becoming a Sun, and he helped sell some tickets also because he has a pretty large following for a guy that isn't an NBA player. He's like basketball's Tim Tebow.

He shouldn't be brought back but taking a look wasn't a bad move.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It did make sense though. We needed scoring, Jimmer is supposed to be good at that and it was past the point of being able to offer 10 day contracts. Signing him for the league minimum to get a look at him wasn't a bad move. We had an open roster spot that needed to be filled and we had more than enough young players. Jimmer expressed interest in joining the Suns so it was worth taking a look at him, if it panned out then James Jones would be praised for such a great signing but ultimately there was really no risk involved.

I don't see how giving Jimmer a look as a 12th man was a move that Jones deserves to be knocked for. He was an end of the bench signing that played like a fringe NBA player, like most end of the bench players do. He wanted to be here, which was a positive, and he also gave the Suns some positive publicity with how he talked up becoming a Sun, and he helped sell some tickets also because he has a pretty large following for a guy that isn't an NBA player. He's like basketball's Tim Tebow.

He shouldn't be brought back but taking a look wasn't a bad move.

A "look see" move with an out if it doesn't work is not a reason for complaint in my book.

 

[Mainstreet]

It did make sense though. We needed scoring, Jimmer is supposed to be good at that and it was past the point of being able to offer 10 day contracts. Signing him for the league minimum to get a look at him wasn't a bad move. We had an open roster spot that needed to be filled and we had more than enough young players. Jimmer expressed interest in joining the Suns so it was worth taking a look at him, if it panned out then James Jones would be praised for such a great signing but ultimately there was really no risk involved.

I don't see how giving Jimmer a look as a 12th man was a move that Jones deserves to be knocked for. He was an end of the bench signing that played like a fringe NBA player, like most end of the bench players do. He wanted to be here, which was a positive, and he also gave the Suns some positive publicity with how he talked up becoming a Sun, and he helped sell some tickets also because he has a pretty large following for a guy that isn't an NBA player. He's like basketball's Tim Tebow.

He shouldn't be brought back but taking a look wasn't a bad move.

It wasn't a good move either unlike adding Johnson and Oubre.

 

[Yuma]

So, with the games left in the season, the contract turned out to be "remaining games" and a Suns option for this next season. So essentially we are on the hook for less than ten games. I was OK with that. I am more worried they may have seen his play and thought he looked like he could make our roster. I am more concerned about possible lack of scouting. My son said almost no one was attending at the end of the season. It gave a little bump in attendence. Probably worth it just for that. Plus it did rule out that he can play for even us.