RIP: Ernest Borgnine (1917-2012)

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RIP: Ernest Borgnine (1917-2012)

Oscar-winning film star Ernest Borgnine dies

http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=741559&gt1=28101

Ernest Borgnine, the beefy screen star known for blustery, often villainous roles, but who won the best-actor Oscar for playing against type as a lovesick butcher in "Marty" in 1955, died Sunday. He was 95.

His longtime spokesman, Harry Flynn, told The Associated Press that Borgnine died at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center with his family by his side.
 

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He was one of my all-time favorites.

Even though he was 95 and lived a heck of a life it's still sad news to me.

RIP Ernie.
 

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Good riddance to a bigoted piece of trash - BIH
 

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Really? I honestly never heard anything like that about him. What did I miss?


He is 95 and comes from wayyyyyy back when so he probably doesnt like gays.

Hes from a 100% different time and culture but Jon loves to vomit all over anyone who doesnt like gay people and wishes death upon them. its rather sad.

Lauren hill hates white people, I say thumbs up to her for expressing her freedom of speech and opinions.
 

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Really? I honestly never heard anything like that about him. What did I miss?

His reaction to gays in Hollywood, Brokeback Mountain - revealed him to be a very bigoted and homophobic individual.
 

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heres the first quote I found from him
I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them.

Should I tell him to burn in hell because he doesnt love my favorite relaxant, marijuana?

Your the biggest bigot of them all Jon. Anyone who doesnt see your way as the right way can burn in hell. its a joke.

Who wants to see a movie about to cowboys butt punching each other anyway.
 

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That people expressing politically incorrect views are subject to an unofficial blacklist in Hollywood has been an open secret for some years. The latest actor to be criticized, not for his acting talent, but for his taste in movies, is Ernest Borgnine.
According to the LA Times, Borgnine's sin was that he didn't care to see "Brokeback Mountain," the explicit film about a tragic love affair between two gay cowboys.
"While Borgnine's work ethic is admirable - he has three films due out this year - his personal politics are less than laudable. Four years ago, he waded into the discussion about the merits of the movie 'Brokeback Mountain,' the first film to feature A-list talent in a gay love story. As Borgnine told Entertainment Weekly, 'I didn't see it and I don't care to see it. I know they say it's a good picture, but I don't care to see it.' Then he added, 'If John Wayne were alive, he'd be rolling over in his grave!'"
Mind, if John Wayne were alive today, he had better not be in a grave at all.
It appears that Borgnine is being accused of homophobia because he didn't want to see a movie that showed two cowboys having gay sex. It is as silly as being accused of hating Italian food because one will never see "Eat, Pray, Love."
The LA Times suggests that Borgnine should be denied a Screen Actor's Guide lifetime achievement award, one that the paper admits he has earned on his merits, because Borgnine won't see a movie about two gay cowboys. The LA Times infers homophobia from this fact, even though, so far as anyone knows, Ernest Borgnine has never publicly expressed any view about gay people one way or another.
The one thing that is remarkable about Borgnine is that he is 93 and still working. For that alone, Borgnine needs some kind of award.
The movies and TV shows Ernest Borgnine has been in are almost without number. Borgnine won a Best Actor Oscar for the title role in a filmed called "Marty," about a lonely guy who gets a chance at love while meeting a lonely woman in a bar in the 1950s.
My favorite Ernest Borgnine movies are "The Viking," in which he played a Norse chieftain; "The Dirty Dozen," in which he played an irascible general; and "The Wild Bunch," in which he was a mercenary at the turn of the last century.
Borgnine, remarkable for a man of his age, has five films in various stages of development, including "Red," a Bruce Willis action flick.
Of course, like anyone of a certain age, my favorite memory of Ernest Borgnine is his role as Lt. Commander Quinton McHale of the PT-73 who, with his crew, endeavored to use World War II as an opportunity to make money while occasionally fighting the Japanese.
It is bad enough that a lot of people who adhere to the "politics that dare not speak its name" are compelled to live in fear in Hollywood. It's even worse when someone's taste in movies is now a reason for blacklisting. At least the commies in the 1950s were being made to suffer for something a little more substantial than that.
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http://voices.yahoo.com/the-la-times-wants-blacklist-ernest-borgnine-for-6646328.html?cat=9

Great reason to hate the guy, he didnt say death to all gays just said hes not interested in watching a gay movie. I guess I should burn in hell too as I will never watch that crap.
 
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Regarding the film Brokeback Mountain:

"I didn't see it and I don't care to see it." - Ernest Borgnine

+1

Not my cup of tea either. Shall I burn in hell also? :shrug:
 

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Regarding the film Brokeback Mountain:

"I didn't see it and I don't care to see it." - Ernest Borgnine

+1

Not my cup of tea either. Shall I burn in hell also? :shrug:


how dare you watch something that doesnt sound like your cup of tea. I guess you dont want to see magic man either? wth is wrong with you? Bigot.


:sarcasm: for the slow
 
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how dare you watch something that doesnt sound like your cup of tea. I guess you dont want to see magic man either? wth is wrong with you? Bigot.


:sarcasm: for the slow

Magic Mike, and yeah, no plans to ever see it.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S2. :jedi:
 
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His reaction to gays in Hollywood, Brokeback Mountain - revealed him to be a very bigoted and homophobic individual.

http://www.npr.org/2011/01/29/133303846/ernest-borgnine-still-building-a-lifes-work-at-94

"I think The Wild Bunch was about the most fun for me, and the one that stands out more in my mind than anything else," he says. "It was the last of the great Westerns, I think."

Touchy subject for some, that. Borgnine loves Westerns, and his comments about one modern entry in the genre have stirred controversy of late, with some criticizing SAG's decision to recognize him with the lifetime-achievement honor. In 2006, Borgnine told Entertainment Weekly that he hadn't seen — and wouldn't see — the 2005 cowboy romance Brokeback Mountain. "If John Wayne were alive," he was quoted as saying, "he'd be rolling over in his grave.''

Loopy grammar? A joke? Maybe just a savvy statement of fact — Wayne was prone to showy protective gestures when it came to Westerns, denouncing High Noon because Gary Cooper's marshal threw his badge in the dust at the end.

But weighing charges that Borgnine is a homophobe requires careful parsing of his comments over the years. In his autobiography Ernie, Borgnine speaks with great affection of gay actors with whom he worked, such as Montgomery Clift and Rock Hudson. He also displays sympathy for the pressure they faced to remain closeted or else see their careers crushed.

"To each his own," he says. And he thinks gay couples should be free to marry.


Then again, Borgnine still hasn't seen Brokeback Mountain, nor does he plan to do so.

"Why," I asked?

"Because 'Y' is a crooked letter," he cracked, chuckling expansively at his own joke. His fallback position: "It's just not my thing."

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Reality: Pro gay marriage and spoke fondly of former actors he worked with who were gay.

The site has audio links with what Ernest said in his own words.

It's NPR so it should be a reliable source.

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Just in case, here's what Queerty had to say about his passing (and the Brokeback response):

R.I.P. Ernest Borgnine. P.S.: We Didn’t Like Brokeback Mountain Either

http://www.queerty.com/r-i-p-ernest...eback-mountain-either-20120709/#ixzz20AVokWbI

But as much as he’s respected for his body of work, Borgnine upset Hollywood—and the gay community—in 2005 when he said he had no interest in seeing the Oscar-nominated gay-cowboy flick Brokeback Mountain. At the time, he told Entertainment Weekly, “I didn’t see it and I don’t care to see it. I know they say it’s a good picture, but I don’t care to see it,” before adding, “If John Wayne were alive, he’d be rolling over in his grave!”

In the clip above, Borgnine clarifies that he meant he’d just rather watch women then men. Whether he was telling the truth or just trying to extinguish a potential PR disaster, Borginine’s allowed to have his opinion about Brokeback. And, frankly, the movie was pretty overrated, anyway. (Oh relax, we all know it was.)

But the outcry against his crime was way out of proportion: The L.A. Times suggested he shouldn’t receive a Screen Actors Guild lifetime-achievement award because of it. The Advocate included it in its obit. (Really it’s the only reason the site ran an obit at all.)

Borgnine wasn’t out protesting the movie’s release or making speeches for Prop 8. He just didn’t want to see a movie. Granted, maybe he was ooked out over the idea of Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal bumping uglies, but the guy was, like, 88 at the time.

We were creeped out over Mila Kunis munching on Natalie Portman in Black Swan, and we’re at least several years younger than Ernie.

Borgnine acted in Hollywood for decades—we’re sure he worked alongside plenty of gay co-stars, directors, screenwriters, stagehands, technicians and makeup artists. It’s how he treated them that matters, not what he thought about some movie.
 

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http://www.npr.org/2011/01/29/133303846/ernest-borgnine-still-building-a-lifes-work-at-94

"I think The Wild Bunch was about the most fun for me, and the one that stands out more in my mind than anything else," he says. "It was the last of the great Westerns, I think."

Touchy subject for some, that. Borgnine loves Westerns, and his comments about one modern entry in the genre have stirred controversy of late, with some criticizing SAG's decision to recognize him with the lifetime-achievement honor. In 2006, Borgnine told Entertainment Weekly that he hadn't seen — and wouldn't see — the 2005 cowboy romance Brokeback Mountain. "If John Wayne were alive," he was quoted as saying, "he'd be rolling over in his grave.''

Loopy grammar? A joke? Maybe just a savvy statement of fact — Wayne was prone to showy protective gestures when it came to Westerns, denouncing High Noon because Gary Cooper's marshal threw his badge in the dust at the end.

But weighing charges that Borgnine is a homophobe requires careful parsing of his comments over the years. In his autobiography Ernie, Borgnine speaks with great affection of gay actors with whom he worked, such as Montgomery Clift and Rock Hudson. He also displays sympathy for the pressure they faced to remain closeted or else see their careers crushed.

"To each his own," he says. And he thinks gay couples should be free to marry.

Then again, Borgnine still hasn't seen Brokeback Mountain, nor does he plan to do so.

"Why," I asked?

"Because 'Y' is a crooked letter," he cracked, chuckling expansively at his own joke. His fallback position: "It's just not my thing."

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Reality: Pro gay marriage and spoke fondly of former actors he worked with who were gay.

The site has audio links with what Ernest said in his own words.

It's NPR so it should be a reliable source.

--------------------------------------

Just in case, here's what Queerty had to say about his passing (and the Brokeback response):

R.I.P. Ernest Borgnine. P.S.: We Didn’t Like Brokeback Mountain Either

http://www.queerty.com/r-i-p-ernest...eback-mountain-either-20120709/#ixzz20AVokWbI

But as much as he’s respected for his body of work, Borgnine upset Hollywood—and the gay community—in 2005 when he said he had no interest in seeing the Oscar-nominated gay-cowboy flick Brokeback Mountain. At the time, he told Entertainment Weekly, “I didn’t see it and I don’t care to see it. I know they say it’s a good picture, but I don’t care to see it,” before adding, “If John Wayne were alive, he’d be rolling over in his grave!”

In the clip above, Borgnine clarifies that he meant he’d just rather watch women then men. Whether he was telling the truth or just trying to extinguish a potential PR disaster, Borginine’s allowed to have his opinion about Brokeback. And, frankly, the movie was pretty overrated, anyway. (Oh relax, we all know it was.)

But the outcry against his crime was way out of proportion: The L.A. Times suggested he shouldn’t receive a Screen Actors Guild lifetime-achievement award because of it. The Advocate included it in its obit. (Really it’s the only reason the site ran an obit at all.)

Borgnine wasn’t out protesting the movie’s release or making speeches for Prop 8. He just didn’t want to see a movie. Granted, maybe he was ooked out over the idea of Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal bumping uglies, but the guy was, like, 88 at the time.

We were creeped out over Mila Kunis munching on Natalie Portman in Black Swan, and we’re at least several years younger than Ernie.

Borgnine acted in Hollywood for decades—we’re sure he worked alongside plenty of gay co-stars, directors, screenwriters, stagehands, technicians and makeup artists. It’s how he treated them that matters, not what he thought about some movie.

What a bigoted homophobe. No wonder panties are in a wad over this, or wait....
 

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I had no idea all this was going on.

All I knew was that he and Ethel Merman had some knock-down drag outs. (She apparently gave as good as she got.)
 

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looks to me nothing was going on, people were just making mountains out of molehills. Not having a taste for gay movies is a non issue.
 

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I saw Brokeback Mountain and didn't care for it. As a movie. Not because it had gay characters. I can appreciate the message, but as a movie, I didn't care for it.

:hijack:
 

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I saw Brokeback Mountain and didn't care for it. As a movie. Not because it had gay characters. I can appreciate the message, but as a movie, I didn't care for it.

:hijack:
Dreaming that you and Brady went camping isnt appreciating the message.
 

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looks to me nothing was going on, people were just making mountains out of molehills. Not having a taste for gay movies is a non issue.

It's all a part of the gay agenda. Accept their lifestyle lock, stock, and barrel or you're a bigot.
 

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I think we are at an interesting time in our society regarding homosexuality. From my own perspective and observations (so flame on, friends), most homosexual situations IMHO (and I'm not talking about porn) over the past 20 years in movies involve two women. I'd like to do a content analysis on homosexual movie situations, and THEN do some research on how people receive those movies. I would venture that most people (male and female) would be more accepting on girl-on-girl action.
 
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I think we are at an interesting time in our society regarding homosexuality. From my own perspective and observations (so flame on, friends), most homosexual situations IMHO (and I'm not talking about porn) over the past 20 years in movies involve two women. I'd like to do a content analysis on homosexual movie situations, and THEN do some research on how people receive those movies. I would venture that most people (male and female) would be more accepting on girl-on-girl action.

Disagree with that. Midnight Cowboy, Philadelphia, My Own Private Idaho, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Dog Day Afternoon, The Birdcage, In & Out, Gods and Monsters, I Love You Philip Morris, Milk, A Single Man, The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert, Longtime Companion, Torch Song Trilogy, To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything! Julie Newmar, Jeffrey, Parting Glances, Velvet Goldmine, Love! Valour! Compassion!, The Sum of Us, The Broken Hearts Club, and many more. Those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Probably missing some other obvious ones.
 
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