RIP: Heath Ledger (1979-2008)

[Card Trader]

Are you for real? Seriously. What kind of person is obsessed about who and how people mourn? Everytime there are high profile death threads you make these obnoxious and outrageous posts. You need to seek some help.

Thanks Doc...I'll make sure to do that. Surprised you can even read what I write through the tears you are shedding over Ledger's death.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Are you for real? Seriously. What kind of person is obsessed about who and how people mourn? Everytime there is a high profile death thread you make these obnoxious and outrageous posts. You need to seek some help.

When the Moral Police Chief talks, people listen!

 

[82CardsGrad]

Oh, and also Ronald Reagan. He was a president and a bad actor. That's a grey area. Should we consider him just another dead actor or should we praise him as an angelic deceased president?[/quote]

C'mon now... we all know the answer to this one... No need to ask, is there??

 

[Linderbee]

No, it's just ridiculous to think that Heath Ledger's death could affect ANYONE other than his family. So I don't see that as a similarity to the President, our leader's death.

well, it wasn't JUST the President that was mentioned. Run of the mill military people were included in there, too.

Basically, AZ was saying that a person's profession makes the value of their life more or less important, in a nutshell, whether he likes it or not. The death of this celebrity is worth less because he's an actor, as opposed to a soldier, because he was a soldier.

I think we're all worth the same regardless of profession, and that is why I am sad to hear of virtually anyone's death.

 

[Rivercard]

When the Moral Police Chief talks, people listen!

Hey at least I don't duck and run when people ask me questions.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

It's a simile. A very narrow, highly debatable, simile. I guess it is different to each person.

I'm just guessing that if you openly mourned the death of a soldier that you never met you would get a different reaction by most poeple than if you openly mourned Heath Ledger. People gathered in droves to cheer on OJ at his trial for turning his wife into a PEZ dispenser too so anything is possible. Personal attachment are just that, personal.

Exactly. With you understanding that, how can you say that one person's attachment to another should be the same?

I can use that smiley too!

That is the problem I have, it's different to mourn a President's death or Military personnel(although I don't necessarily agree with that either) than an entertainer.

Again, maybe to you, but maybe not to some people. Everyone mourns in different ways, and it is a very myopic view that you have, if you think that people should all mourn the same.

 

[Rivercard]

Oh, and also Ronald Reagan. He was a president and a bad actor. That's a grey area. Should we consider him just another dead actor or should we praise him as an angelic deceased president?[/quote]

C'mon now... we all know the answer to this one... No need to ask, is there??

Lol. We'll, I don't want to be accused of improper mourning.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Lol. We'll, I don't want to be accused of improper mourning.

None of us do.

 

[azsouthendzone]

well, it wasn't JUST the President that was mentioned. Run of the mill military people were included in there, too.

Basically, AZ was saying that a person's profession makes the value of their life more or less important, in a nutshell, whether he likes it or not. The death of this celebrity is worth less because he's an actor, as opposed to a soldier, because he was a soldier.

I think we're all worth the same regardless of profession, and that is why I am sad to hear of virtually anyone's death.

No, no, no. That's not what I said. I said that a soldier who dies in the line of duty, dies while serving his country. I said a victim of the Holocaust died against their will as a victim of arguably the most heinous act in the history of the world. Ledger died because of drugs. To me, that is different. The fact is is a dead actor, naturally puts him in a group of dead celebs that have ended their own lives early. I see a difference. The term "run of the mill" military personel? Like I said, people cheered OJ while he drove with Al Cowlings in the Bronco. Anything is possible.

 

[Card Trader]

I think we're all worth the same regardless of profession, and that is why I am sad to hear of virtually anyone's death.

But mourning? Come on! Seriously?

The word "Distress" is used in the definition for grief and sorrow...which are used in the definition of mourn...it's unthinkable that anyone in this thread is distressed over this or are terrible "sad sad sad".

 

[dreamcastrocks]

But mourning? Come on! Seriously?

The word "Distress" is used in the definition for grief and sorrow...which are used in the definition of mourn...it's unthinkable that anyone in this thread is distressed over this or are terrible "sad sad sad".

The fact that you are telling other people how they should feel, is very shortsided.

 

[Card Trader]

The fact that you are telling other people how they should feel, is very shortsided.

I'm not telling you how to feel...I'm questioning how you feel.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

PS. Mods, please don't shut this one down... good debate here.

 

[Jersey Girl]

When a celeb dies sudeenly it affects people because it reminds them of their mortality. I don't think anyone is mourning Ledger, but you can feel bad for him, his family and his friends without mourning.

Why is it such a crime to feel bad when someone--whether it be a celebrity or the guy at the 7-11-- dies?

I always knew you were smart.

Jeez, the guy died and many feel bad about it. That's their right. If you want the priviledge to not care about it, why not respect others right to feel bad about it?

I'm with Linderbee. I feel sad for lots of people I've never met -- the random 7-11 guy, the guy serving in Iraq, the single person with no kids who died in a car wreck -- who pass away.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I'm not telling you how to feel...I'm questioning how you feel.

First of all, you shouldn't.

Second of all, I haven't expressed any feelings of mourning in this thread. Sympathy maybe, not mourning.

 

[azsouthendzone]

The fact that you are telling other people how they should feel, is very shortsided.

This is a message board where 99% of it is people telling other people how they should feel on just about every subject in life. The fact that you are accusing CT of being shortsided is shortsided.

 

[azsouthendzone]

First of all, you shouldn't.

.

Why? You've never debated the way people act or feel about a certain situation?

 

[Card Trader]

First of all, you shouldn't.

Why not? The problem with this world is that people don't question things enough....Exhibit A: Religion.

Second of all, I haven't expressed any feelings of mourning in this thread. Sympathy maybe, not mourning.

No, but you have an understanding for those that feel a deep sadness over this, so you are speaking on their behalf

 

[Rivercard]

Like I said, people cheered OJ while he drove with Al Cowlings in the Bronco. Anything is possible.

That was probably you on the bridge giving OJ the thumbs up. I'm assuming since Nicole Brown was a celebrity, took drugs and married a bad guy we shouldn't mourn for her either because all that's her own fault.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I'm with Linderbee. I feel sad for lots of people I've never met -- the random 7-11 guy, the guy serving in Iraq, the single person with no kids who died in a car wreck -- who pass away.

I guess you shouldn't unless you have a personal connection with them, right az?

This is a message board where 99% of it is people telling other people how they should feel on just about every subject in life. The fact that you are accusing CT of being shortsided is shortsided.

LOL. Of course I am. I'm being shortsided by telling people that they shouldn't tell people how to feel. Funny.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

That was probably you on the bridge giving OJ the thumbs up. I'm assuming since Nicole Brown was a celebrity, took drugs and married a bad guy we shouldn't mourn for her either because all that's her own fault.

Nah,

If she was in the military, a President, or involved in the Holocaust, then you can mourn.

 

[azsouthendzone]

That was probably you on the bridge giving OJ the thumbs up. I'm assuming since Nicole Brown was a celebrity, took drugs and married a bad guy we shouldn't mourn for her either because all that's her own fault.

Well, thought out, response there. You can assume that because Nicole got axed against her own free will I do feel some sympathy for her family, especially her father who I have met personally. Great comparison.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Well, thought out, response there. You can assume that because Nicole got axed against her own free will I do feel some sympathy for her family, especially her father who I have met personally. Great comparison.

Do you have a personal connection with Nicole Brown?

 

[Rivercard]

This is a message board where 99% of it is people telling other people how they should feel on just about every subject in life. The fact that you are accusing CT of being shortsided is shortsided.

No, it is a forum to discuss and express how YOU feel. You can debate the merits of other opinions sure. It's one thing to try to understand why someone feels the way they do, but to continually put down others for their feelings about a death is rather petty.

 

[azsouthendzone]

I guess you shouldn't unless you have a personal connection with them, right az?



LOL. Of course I am. I'm being shortsided by telling people that they shouldn't tell people how to feel. Funny.

I'm past debating your personal connection to Heath Ledger. I see it, just like I see the personal connection some have to OJ, Michael Jackson, and Selena. I get it. I see what drives it and I still find it pathetic.