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[WisconsinCard]

Not really. Don't get me wrong, I'm really unhappy right now. I would also understand someone like you (this is not meant to be insulting) not following the team anymore because you don't live here. If I moved and planned on staying moved I might start following the local team. Understandable...but what is the definition of bandwagon? Especially for people that live here.

Not me had season tickets from day 1 and had to give them up when we moved in 1999. We still make it to a couple games a year. Still a fan of the cards and will never root for the packers. Nobody will ever call em a bandwagon fan...

 

[Buckybird]

Not me had season tickets from day 1 and had to give them up when we moved in 1999. We still make it to a couple games a year. Still a fan of the cards and will never root for the packers. Nobody will ever call em a bandwagon fan...

Me neither!

I would rather boil my body in scalding hot water than be a fan of the Cowpies & the evil of JJones

 

[TigToad]

You were luckier than we were then. We had the most incredibly rude, belligerent, shoving, and cussing Seattle fans behind us and in front of us. Five of us sit together on game day, the family in front sold out (not uncommon) and the 3 rows behind us are always scalped. All of the scalped seats were Seattle fans this time and they were not friendly. One of the least enjoyable games I've been to ever. I can't think of a group of fans I'd want around me less.

Yup. I know a guy who flew 15 people in to see the Seattle/UDub weekend.

FWIW, largely the Seattle fans were polite and nice and constantly complaining about the officiating. Good-natured about Adderall teasing. They really did not appreciate the flag boys.

It was loud for Seattle from the opening gun.

 

[Cardsfanstl]

The Valley of the Sun will always be the biggest fair weather fan city on the NFL map. There are a lot of reasons for this that are completely obvious. What this means however, is that the bona fide Cardinals fans that show up every week and wade through this cesspool of out of towners and bandwagon jumpers, to stick with their team, through multiple losing seasons, these folks, although few in numbers, are the best fans in the NFL. No one else has to put up with away games in their own stadium. Take pride in this. Hold you nose, and realize this is one thing that will never change. If you live here, I'll bet any one of you has a neighbor, close enough that you could throw a football from your front doorstep and land it in his backyard, that fits this fair weather. "I'm not from here, I just live here mold." Do your own thing, know that you are a battle tested fan, and try to avoid strangling the living sh** out of this clown. We need you at the stadium wearing red, not in prison.

Like your post but I would add also the Cards fans from other cities as well especially the ones from Chicago or St. Louis (like me) who still follow this team through the best and worst times.

 

[Cardsfanstl]

Me neither!

I would rather boil my body in scalding hot water than be a fan of the Cowpies & the evil of JJones

Second that. Feel the same way about the Rams here.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

BTW, I was cheering as loud as I could at home Thursday night......guess it didn't help.

You were not alone. Didn't seem to help like you said.

 

[Mulli]

Anywho, so long as the sellout streak stays intact, do the Cardinals REALLY care who is in the seats? Does it effect the bottom line? I say probably not.

 

[Cardiac]

I was very disappointed by the number of Seahawk fans in the stands. When you move your team 2 times and typically put out a sucky product it's very difficult to develop hard core fans. Then factor in you moved to a market that has grown exponentially because of people relocating to that market then it compounds the problem.

Want a stadium full of Cards fans then quit sucking for decades at a time.

40 years I've been rooting for this team. At what point do I get smart and stop putting so much time into an experience that is frustrating 90% of the time and pure torture another 5% of the time.

Huge props to those who had the fortitude to watch the post game show.

 

[BigRedRage]

I was very disappointed by the number of Seahawk fans in the stands. When you move your team 2 times and typically put out a sucky product it's very difficult to develop hard core fans. Then factor in you moved to a market that has grown exponentially because of people relocating to that market then it compounds the problem.

Want a stadium full of Cards fans then quit sucking for decades at a time.

40 years I've been rooting for this team. At what point do I get smart and stop putting so much time into an experience that is frustrating 90% of the time and pure torture another 5% of the time.

Huge props to those who had the fortitude to watch the post game show.

lol

after the third "we are in AZ stadium look at all these seattle fans!" comment I shut it off.

 

[RedViper]

Like your post but I would add also the Cards fans from other cities as well especially the ones from Chicago or St. Louis (like me) who still follow this team through the best and worst times.

I totally agree with you. It took me a long time to figure it out, but finally I decided that being a Cardinals fan wasn't really about any geographic location, but simply about deciding to be a fan of one the NFL franchises that isn't one of the NFL's "cool kids." In 2000 when it seemed likely that the stadium propostion would fail and the team would eventually move, I decided I would try to be just like the Chicago and StL people and maintain my allegiance to this team wherever they played. To me its about sticking with the team, no matter what my fair weather fan neighbors are doing. I'm proud of the the team's history and have nothing but admiration for people that stay loyal to the team, especially through the lean years and I'm kind of in awe of our fans that held on even after the team left St Louis. Thats the kind of fan I want to be.

 

[Redheart]

First year in 25 that I have not had season tickets; it is not because I couldn't afford them, although I used the money to re-landscape my back/front yard. It looks great and keeps getting better because when the Cardinals start to suck, I just go outside and work off a little frustration.

The drive and time going to the game from Mesa is just not worth it if they can't win at home. Just not worth it.

I did watch the game, both at my home and later with friends at a near-by sports bar (really good food).

Visiting fans owning our stadium? Just like old times...nice job piloting Mikey B.

 

[Mulli]

I totally agree with you. It took me a long time to figure it out, but finally I decided that being a Cardinals fan wasn't really about any geographic location, but simply about deciding to be a fan of one the NFL franchises that isn't one of the NFL's "cool kids." In 2000 when it seemed likely that the stadium propostion would fail and the team would eventually move, I decided I would try to be just like the Chicago and StL people and maintain my allegiance to this team wherever they played. To me its about sticking with the team, no matter what my fair weather fan neighbors are doing. I'm proud of the the team's history and have nothing but admiration for people that stay loyal to the team, especially through the lean years and I'm kind of in awe of our fans that held on even after the team left St Louis. Thats the kind of fan I want to be.

Good job by you, but this "team's history" is pretty much all "lean years." How is anyone expected to stay fan of this team when the entertainment value doesn't include winning/ a team worth watching?

 

[earthsci]

I totally agree with you. It took me a long time to figure it out, but finally I decided that being a Cardinals fan wasn't really about any geographic location, but simply about deciding to be a fan of one the NFL franchises that isn't one of the NFL's "cool kids." In 2000 when it seemed likely that the stadium propostion would fail and the team would eventually move, I decided I would try to be just like the Chicago and StL people and maintain my allegiance to this team wherever they played. To me its about sticking with the team, no matter what my fair weather fan neighbors are doing. I'm proud of the the team's history and have nothing but admiration for people that stay loyal to the team, especially through the lean years and I'm kind of in awe of our fans that held on even after the team left St Louis. Thats the kind of fan I want to be.

Meh. By your rational I should have just stayed a Patriots fan. I was one my whole life up until '88. Before they were cool.

I've got a lot of respect for the fans from out of town who have stuck with the team but I am a fan of the Arizona teams. I will freely admit that if the Cards moved and another team came here, the new team would be mine. It would have been a lot easier to just stick with my Boston roots but I root for the home teams.

 

[Cardsfanstl]

Good job by you, but this "team's history" is pretty much all "lean years." How is anyone expected to stay fan of this team when the entertainment value doesn't include winning/ a team worth watching?

Living here in St. Louis I have never left the Football Cardinals even though all of my friends and family have. This is the first year I will be able to watch every game either in person or on TV. Already been to New Orleans and trips planned to Jacksonville and Tennessee. Game in St. Louis is a given. The rest of the schedule I will be watching the games at a Sports Bar near my house. Even though we lose a lot it is still the team I grew up with and will follow them always.

 

[Catfish]

The Valley of the Sun will always be the biggest fair weather fan city on the NFL map. There are a lot of reasons for this that are completely obvious. What this means however, is that the bona fide Cardinals fans that show up every week and wade through this cesspool of out of towners and bandwagon jumpers, to stick with their team, through multiple losing seasons, these folks, although few in numbers, are the best fans in the NFL. No one else has to put up with away games in their own stadium. Take pride in this. Hold you nose, and realize this is one thing that will never change. If you live here, I'll bet any one of you has a neighbor, close enough that you could throw a football from your front doorstep and land it in his backyard, that fits this fair weather. "I'm not from here, I just live here mold." Do your own thing, know that you are a battle tested fan, and try to avoid strangling the living sh** out of this clown. We need you at the stadium wearing red, not in prison.

The only thing that changes that is a prolonged period of winning football. Then the fans will be wearing red.

 

[RedViper]

The only thing that changes that is a prolonged period of winning football. Then the fans will be wearing red.

I agree and I'd even add that the superbowl run and winning the division twice changed things from what they were. Certainly the high water mark in the Arizona era, and I think things are better than they were in the nineties and through the Denny year even after these five subsequent years of failure. But I also think the Valley is a place with so many transplants that it will take a longer time to build the fan base than it would in other cities And my only real point, in this whole debate, is that I refuse to let it bother me any more. I don't consider myself some kind of heroic superfan but I value loyalty and I don't care for fair weather fans and frontrunners. I don't consider myself one and as I run across people that claim to be fans, if I think they aren't legitimate, they don't stick with their team, I find that distasteful. I pass judgment and I bet most people that post on here are the same way.

 

[Mulli]

I agree and I'd even add that the superbowl run and winning the division twice changed things from what they were. Certainly the high water mark in the Arizona era, and I think things are better than they were in the nineties and through the Denny year even after these five subsequent years of failure. But I also think the Valley is a place with so many transplants that it will take a longer time to build the fan base than it would in other cities And my only real point, in this whole debate, is that I refuse to let it bother me any more. I don't consider myself some kind of heroic superfan but I value loyalty and I don't care for fair weather fans and frontrunners. I don't consider myself one and as I run across people that claim to be fans, if I think they aren't legitimate, they don't stick with their team, I find that distasteful. I pass judgment and I bet most people that post on here are the same way.

Some good points, but I have started to ask for team loyalty to fans in the form of legitimate, competent football. Two way street.

 

[RedViper]

Some good points, but I have started to ask for team loyalty to fans in the form of legitimate, competent football. Two way street.

I think thats fair. Although I still distinguish legitmate fans who step it back versus bandwagon jumpers who are suddenly Denver or Seattle fans. Anyone that takes a break for awhile, takes a year off from buying season tickets or whatever because its just becoming too much, I don't judge. Usually those people can't completely give up on this team even if they want to.

 

[Mulli]

I think thats fair. Although I still distinguish legitmate fans who step it back versus bandwagon jumpers who are suddenly Denver or Seattle fans. Anyone that takes a break for awhile, takes a year off from buying season tickets or whatever because its just becoming too much, I don't judge. Usually those people can't completely give up on this team even if they want to.

We have reached agreement. Good work!