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One off-season ago Michael Bidwill and his puppet personnel man Rod Graves hailed a new era of Cardinals football, evidenced (at least in their eyes) by the terrific twosome’s ability to sign five of seven "targeted" free agents. Last Wednesday new head coach and de facto GM Dennis Green targeted the first of those free agents for release.

Jeff Blake, the first signing of the short-lived Graves-Bidwill experiment, was dumped quickly and without direct word from Green. Green had similar experiences in Minnesota with embedded vets like Carl Lee and Wade Wilson, both who (like Blake) were miffed by the lack of an exit interview. Blake received the news of his release from new offensive coordinator Alex Wood, who had never called a single play with Blake at quarterback. According to Green, Wood will work much more with newly named starter Josh McCown, whose late season run helped knock their former employer out of the NFL playoffs. Purely coincidental I’m sure, although the same could certainly not be said for Green’s astute opening move.

Green’s strategy was twofold. First, it cleared the way for a young quarterback to be drafted, and secondly it made very clear who is in charge of the Cardinals forlorn football operation these days. The preceding may come as a surprise to those in the Arizona media. As if their journalistic curiosity could go no lower, the majority of AZ media types bought into the naive notion that Green would share power with Graves. Old habits aren’t easily broken, but NFL execs working alongside Dennis Green often are. Just ask Jeff Diamond, the life long Vikings fan turned decorated VP who found himself unemployed following 1998’s 15-1 season.

According to reports out of Minnesota, Green was fond of the telling agents "there is only one cook in this kitchen." Not quite as self-aggrandizing as Buddy Ryan’s "You’re looking at The Franchise," (Ryan’s reference to himself), but one doesn’t get the impression Green prefers deference in regards to important (if any) personnel decisions. Jeff Blake would certainly agree. Blake was Graves’ first signing, which carries about the same clout of a cabinet official in an outgoing administration. Not that it’s a bad thing.

The relative strength of the Green signing was his ability the counterbalance the ridiculousness of the Cardinals "Grave new plan." Mr. Graves was one Anquan Boldin away from joining the likes of Mike Lynn (Herschel Walker trade) and the French Government (Louisiana Purchase). Ironically, had the French not been fleeced in the latter transaction, there may never have been a Louisiana team to rip off the Cardinals in the 2003 NFL Draft (or vice versa).

In any case, with a new sheriff in town, Graves’ days as personnel chieftain are over. This will allow Graves to do what he does best. That is, find ways not to sign 1st Round picks.
Much to the chagrin of potential 2nd Round defensive ends and receivers (i.e. Bryant Johnson and Calvin Pace types), the unlucky individual(s) drafted by the Cardinals will not be of Graves’ choosing. Green will have the final say in the draft, just as he did in appointing an undistinguished (at best) coaching staff.

Green’s first hire was longtime confidant Richard Solomon as defensive backs coach. Solomon’s credentials are the stuff of legends. No where in the league will you find someone that is as universally disliked or unwanted on a professional coaching staff.

Some of Solomon’s higher points include a sexual harassment claim, sleeping through team meetings, initiating a physical confrontation with his own cornerback, and leading the Vikings secondary to remarkable rankings of 21, 28, 9, 29, 19, 30, and 28 during seven seasons.

Green would dismiss such claims as hearsay. So much so that Green, himself (in 2001), reassigned "Solly" away from the post he currently holds with the Cardinals and so incredulous that the Washington Redskins had one demand if (then candidate) Green was to become their head coach: No Richard Solomon.

Joining Solomon (in that odd order) on the Cardinals defensive staff was coordinator Clancy Pendergast whose family had business ties to the Bidwills and (like Solomon) was not well liked by his pupils as linebackers coach in Cleveland.

About the only in demand Green staffer was tight ends coach Patrick Flaherty who left the job before ever coaching a player.

Given his track record, Green deserves the benefit the doubt when it comes to offensive assistants. Defense is another story.

One could make the argument that Dennis Green knows as much about defense as Ryan did offense. Whether Pendergast turns into the defensive version of Dave Atkins (Ryan's lame offensive coordinator) is still debatable.

Whether Green has curbed his enthusiasm for grabbing power is not. He hasn’t.

As verified by Blake’s quick eviction, this tiger has not lost his stripes or (more pointedly) this sheriff has not thrown down his badge. The "new Dennis Green" had a similar shelf life to other AZ Media myths like the "new Matt Williams", "new Tom Gugliotta", or the soon-to-be "new Elmer Dessens."

A better case (or analogy) could be made about the resemblance to another power hungry coach with a track record of winning. Similar circumstances brought the perfect storm known as "Buddy Ball," which lasted all of two lousy seasons. Leading up to that, the Bidwills had displayed their "will to win" by spending $22 million on four (perhaps "targeted") free agents, finished another season with a "unacceptable" amount of wins, and fired a popular head coach who talked better than he led. Entering 1993, the Cardinals also lost a free agent in his prime of his career and made a hard push for a legend at the end of his. All in all, if you replace Steve Beuerlein, Gary Clark, Chuck Cecil and John Booty with Jeff Blake, Dexter Jackson, James Hodgins, and James Darling, Joe Bugel with Dave McGinnis, a 9 win ultimatum with the (rather pathetic) expectation of 8, Tim McDonald with David Boston, Joe Montana with Emmitt Smith, Bill Bidwill with Michael Bidwill, Bob Ackles with Rod Graves, and Buddy Ryan with Dennis Green, we have the most comprehensive case of historical repetition that the NFL has ever seen.

The similarities don’t stop there.

When Ryan took the job in 1994, he told the press contingent that "you’ve got a winner in town." In 1992, Green told the Minnesota’s media that there was a "new sheriff in town."

Both used their newfound power in ignominious (and often irritable) ways. Ryan’s nepotism landed his two sons a job (it should be noted that both are still in the NFL) while giving a third $40,000 thanks to shady deal with a fat lineman named Larry Tharpe (who the third son represented). Ryan also restructured the Cardinals scouting department with associates and friends of his family. Ryan’s sons had either coached with or under newly named scouts like Cole Procter, Bob Mazie, and George Martinez. Another scout, Leland Kendall, had played with Ryan at Oklahoma State.

Besides keeping the ineffectual (not to mention problematic) Solomon around, Green gave a man named Silas McKinnie a scouting job, in the words of one Minnesota writer, "for no apparent reason other than his status as Green’s longtime friend." McKinnie (like Solomon) was Green's college teammate at Iowa.
Ryan and Green also spent little time asserting their power at the expense of the Bidwills’ symbolic signings. Ryan ran Steve Beuerlein out of Arizona inside of a year. Green didn’t wait so long with Blake.

Given the body of evidence, it's almost incomprehensible some have referred to Green's hiring as being "unprecedented in Cardinals history." As cynical (or easy) a conclusion that it seems, this "newest era" will amount to another winning coach losing out to a bad organization. And they always do.

Courtesy of Rod Lakin - Producer and Host AZGameday
 
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One off-season ago Michael Bidwill and his puppet personnel man Rod Graves hailed a new era of Cardinals football, evidenced (at least in their eyes) by the terrific twosome’s ability to sign five of seven "targeted" free agents. Last Wednesday new head coach and de facto GM Dennis Green targeted the first of those free agents for release.

Jeff Blake, the first signing of the short-lived Graves-Bidwill experiment, was dumped quickly and without direct word from Green. Green had similar experiences in Minnesota with embedded vets like Carl Lee and Wade Wilson, both who (like Blake) were miffed by the lack of an exit interview. Blake

NO ROOM FOR CRYBABIES!

received the news of his release from new offensive coordinator Alex Wood, who had never called a single play with Blake at quarterback. According to Green, Wood will work much more with newly named starter Josh McCown, whose late season run helped knock their former employer out of the NFL playoffs. Purely coincidental I’m sure, although the same could certainly not be said for Green’s astute opening move.

Green’s strategy was twofold. First, it cleared the way for a young quarterback to be drafted,

WONT YOU LOOK DUMB IF THEY
DONT TAKE A QB


and secondly it made very clear who is in charge of the Cardinals forlorn football operation these days. The preceding may come as a surprise to those in the Arizona media. As if their journalistic curiosity could go no lower, the majority of AZ media types bought into the naive notion that Green would share power with Graves. Old habits aren’t easily broken, but NFL execs working alongside Dennis Green often are. Just ask Jeff Diamond, the life long Vikings fan turned decorated VP who found himself unemployed following 1998’s 15-1 season.

HE WAS A FIGUREHEAD WHO WENT TO TENN AFTER 98.

According to reports out of Minnesota, Green was fond of the telling agents "there is only one cook in this kitchen." Not quite as self-aggrandizing as Buddy Ryan’s "You’re looking at The Franchise," (Ryan’s reference to himself), but one doesn’t get the impression Green prefers deference in regards to important (if any) personnel decisions. Jeff Blake would certainly agree. Blake was Graves’ first signing, which carries about the same clout of a cabinet official in an outgoing administration. Not that it’s a bad thing.

The relative strength of the Green signing was his ability the counterbalance the ridiculousness of the Cardinals "Grave new plan." Mr. Graves was one Anquan Boldin away from joining the likes of Mike Lynn (Herschel Walker trade) and the French Government (Louisiana Purchase). Ironically, had the French not been fleeced in the latter transaction, there may never have been a Louisiana team to rip off the Cardinals in the 2003 NFL Draft (or vice versa).

In any case, with a new sheriff in town, Graves’ days as personnel chieftain are over. This will allow Graves to do what he does best. That is, find ways not to sign 1st Round picks.
Much to the chagrin of potential 2nd Round defensive ends and receivers (i.e. Bryant Johnson and Calvin Pace types), the unlucky individual(s) drafted by the Cardinals will not be of Graves’ choosing. Green will have the final say in the draft, just as he did in appointing an undistinguished (at best) coaching staff.

SO WAS DUNGY AND BILLICK
LOOK AT THE UNDISTINGUISHED STAFF DG CREATED IN FIRST YEAR IN MINNE YOU IGNORANT PERSON!

Green’s first hire was longtime confidant Richard Solomon as defensive backs coach. Solomon’s credentials are the stuff of legends. No where in the league will you find someone that is as universally disliked or unwanted on a professional coaching staff.

Some of Solomon’s higher points include a sexual harassment claim,

IN AMERICA ONE IS INNOCENT
UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY - THIS IS A UNAMERICAN CHEAP SHOT!

sleeping through team meetings,

PROVE IT

initiating a physical confrontation with his own cornerback, and

PROVE IT

leading the Vikings secondary to remarkable rankings of 21, 28, 9, 29, 19, 30, and 28 during seven seasons.



HE WAS ON DEFENSIVE STAFF FOR #1 and #6 DEFENSES IN NFL. AND WORKED AS KEY ASSISTANT IN BEST RECORD IN NFL FOR 9 YEARS!!!!!!!

Green would dismiss such claims as hearsay. So much so that Green, himself (in 2001), reassigned "Solly" away from the post he currently holds with the Cardinals and so incredulous that the Washington Redskins had one demand if (then candidate) Green was to become their head coach: No Richard Solomon.

THIS WAS A RUMOR. WASHINGTON NEVER SAID THIS.

Joining Solomon (in that odd order) on the Cardinals defensive staff was coordinator Clancy Pendergast whose family had business ties to the Bidwills and (like Solomon) was not well liked by his pupils as linebackers coach in Cleveland.

AGAIN WHO CARES WTF PUPILS THINK. NFL IS ABOUT WINNING. LANDRY PARCELLS NOLL WERE NOT LIKED.


About the only in demand Green staffer was tight ends coach Patrick Flaherty who left the job before ever coaching a player.

YOU WOULD NOT SAY THAT ABOUT FLAHERTY IF HE HAD NOT LEFT. NICE HINDSIGHT ANALYSIS. WHO SAID THAT ABOUT DUNGY AND BILLICK BEFORE THEY WORKED WITH DG.

Given his track record, Green deserves the benefit the doubt when it comes to offensive assistants. Defense is another story.

One could make the argument that Dennis Green knows as much about defense as Ryan did offense. Whether Pendergast turns into the defensive version of Dave Atkins (Ryan's lame offensive coordinator) is still debatable.

WHAT A DUMB ARGUEMENT. DG AFTER DUNGY LEFT HAD A #6 DEFENSE INE THE NFL! HE HAD GOOD DEFENSE.
AGAIN HE COULD TURN INTO DUNGY DG' HIRE> WHY NOT LOOK AT THE DG HIRES HE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RYAN!!!!
HE ALSO HAD A SOLID GUY IN THOMAS WHO HAD A COUPLE TOP DEFENSES IN THE NFL AND FAZIO WAS A GOOD DC TOO!


Whether Green has curbed his enthusiasm for grabbing power is not. He hasn’t.

DG HAS AN ENTHUSIASM FOR WINNING. WHO DO YOU WANT DRAFTING AND SIGNING THE PLAYERS - THE GUY WHO DID THE VERY BEST JOB IN THE NFL IN MINN OR GRAVES. THE GUY WHO WANTED SUGGS OR PACE/JOHNSON? NO - BRAINER.
WHEN DID TOOK POWER IN MINNE HE DID IT CAUSE WOULDNT LET HIM TAKE SAPP ONCE TOOK OVER TEAM IMPROVED!!!!!



As verified by Blake’s quick eviction, this tiger has not lost his stripes or (more pointedly) this sheriff has not thrown down his badge. The "new Dennis Green" had a similar shelf life to other AZ Media myths like the "new Matt Williams", "new Tom Gugliotta", or the soon-to-be "new Elmer Dessens."

THERE IS NO "NEW" DG. DG IS DG THERE IS NOTHING NEW ABOUT HIM - HE WILL DO OR TRY AND DO WHAT HE DID IN MINN. THAT IS WHY HE WAS HIRED!


A better case (or analogy) could be made about the resemblance to another power hungry coach with a track record of winning. Similar

WHY COMPARE HIM TO RYAN? WHY NOT COMPARE HIM TO PARCELLS? DG IS NOT POWER HUNGRY DG IS WIN HUNGRY WHY WOULD GRAVES HIRE HIM? HE KNOWS WHAT DG IS ABOUT WINNING GRAVES FAILED IN THE DRAFT. HE HIRED DG TO DRAFT WELL AND MAKE THE RIGHT MOVES TO CREATE WINNING - WINNING MEANS GRAVES CAN SUCCEED LIKE DIAMOND DID BY DOING NOTHING AND LIVING OFF THE MOVES OF DG.


circumstances brought the perfect storm known as "Buddy Ball," which lasted all of two lousy seasons. Leading up to that, the Bidwills had displayed their "will to win" by spending $22 million on four (perhaps "targeted") free agents, finished another season with a "unacceptable" amount of wins, and fired a popular head coach who talked better than he led. Entering 1993, the Cardinals also lost a free agent in his prime of his career and made a hard push for a legend at the end of his. All in all, if you replace Steve Beuerlein, Gary Clark, Chuck Cecil and John Booty with Jeff Blake, Dexter Jackson, James Hodgins, and James Darling, Joe Bugel with Dave McGinnis, a 9 win ultimatum with the (rather pathetic) expectation of 8, Tim McDonald with David Boston, Joe Montana with Emmitt Smith, Bill Bidwill with Michael Bidwill, Bob Ackles with Rod Graves, and Buddy Ryan with Dennis Green, we have the most comprehensive case of historical repetition that the NFL has ever seen.

The similarities don’t stop there.

When Ryan took the job in 1994, he told the press contingent that "you’ve got a winner in town." In 1992, Green told the Minnesota’s media that there was a "new sheriff in town."

SO WHAT? WHAT A DUMB IRRELEVANT COMPARISON. SHEESH! COMPARE RYANS RECORDS TO DG - THERE IS NO COMPARISON DUH!

Both used their newfound power in ignominious (and often irritable) ways.

THIS IS BS!!!! DG DOESNT HAVE ANY NEWFOUND POWER. HE HAS NOT USED IT AN IGNOMINIOUS OR IRRITABLE WAY. BS!!


Ryan’s nepotism landed his two sons a job (it should be noted that both are still in the NFL) while giving

IF THEY ARE STILL WORKING IT DISPROVES YOUR POINT!!! DUH!

a third $40,000 thanks to shady deal with a fat lineman named Larry Tharpe (who the third son represented). Ryan also restructured the Cardinals scouting department with associates and friends of his family. Ryan’s sons had either coached with or under newly named scouts like Cole Procter, Bob Mazie, and George Martinez. Another scout, Leland Kendall, had played with Ryan at Oklahoma State.

WAKE UP FRIENDS ARE HIRED ALL THE TIME IN THE NFL. TICE HIRED HIS HS COACH AFTER HE WAS DISGRACED. KIDS OF PEOPLE ARE HIRED ON AS COACHES. THAT IS HOW THE WORLD WORKS.
PEOPLE HIRE PEOPLE THEY KNOW. DUH.

Besides keeping the ineffectual (not to mention problematic) Solomon around, Green gave a man

NEITHER INEFFECTUAL NOR PROBLEMATIC IF YOU CONSIDER BEING A KEY TO 9 STRAIGHT WINNING YEARS 4 DIVISIONS and 8 PLAYOFFS and 2 NFC FINALS in 3 YEARS IS PROBLEMATIC!!

named Silas McKinnie a scouting job, in the words of one Minnesota writer, "for no apparent reason other than his status as Green’s longtime friend." McKinnie (like Solomon) was Green's college teammate at Iowa.

THE MINNESOTA MEDIA WAS OUT TO GET DG. BOTH THE NY TIMES AND WASH. POST WROTE ABOUT THIS HIGH TECH LYNCHING. NOW YOU JOIN IN.

Ryan and Green also spent little time asserting their power at the expense of the Bidwills’ symbolic signings. Ryan ran Steve Beuerlein out of Arizona inside of a year. Green didn’t wait so long with Blake.


NO IDEA ON RYAN. BUT WHY COMPARE HIM TO DG. DG'S RECORD AND APPROACH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RYAN.
RYAN'S RECORD CANNOT COMPARE TO DG.
DG CUT BLAKE CAUSE HE SUCKS. NO OTHER REASON.

Given the body of evidence, it's almost incomprehensible some have referred to Green's hiring as being "unprecedented in Cardinals history." As cynical (or easy) a conclusion that it seems, this "newest era" will amount to another winning coach losing out to a bad organization. And they always do.

NO CAUSE: (1) DG IS TAKING OVER THE ORGANIZTION (2) THE ORGANIZATION HAS TO CHANGE CAUSE THEY HAVE A STADIUM TO FILL AND NEED A WINNER SO THEY HIRED DG - JUST LIKE CINCI CHANGED LAST YEAR!


Courtesy of Rod Lakin - Producer and Host AZGameday

WHOEVER THIS GUY IS JUST WROTE A STEAMING PILE OF HORSE CRAP. MAYBE HE SHOULD BE FIRED FROM HIS JOB SINCE IF THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF HIS WORK IT IS SHODDY INDEED. HOW DOES HE KEEP HIS JOB? NEPOTISM?
 
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I guess this maroon has to find SOMETHING new to bitch about now that he's pretty much made a fool out of himself with his incessant rantings in opposition to the new stadium, Bidwills...etc, etc, etc.

I had some doubts about Green's background, but so far, I'm willing to give him time to prove what he can do.
This article is 98% either half-truths(at best) or pure unadulterated garbage !!!

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Being the generous soul that I am. :D I'm willing to provide both R Lakin and Vikingsfan with blackmarket m-16's (with ammo) so they can have a real mano a mano duel over this.

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Well that is 5 minutes I will never get back...

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Green Bashing

VikesFan, great job in "bitch slapping" Lakin. That was a first round knockout. I've never heard of the guy but it's obvious that he has an axe to grind. Your point by point rebuttal was excellent.
 

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Re: Re: RLakin's Rant On Coach Green

Originally posted by vikesfan
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One off-season ago Michael Bidwill and his puppet personnel man Rod Graves hailed a new era of Cardinals football, evidenced (at least in their eyes) by the terrific twosome’s ability to sign five of seven "targeted" free agents. Last Wednesday new head coach and de facto GM Dennis Green targeted the first of those free agents for release.

Jeff Blake, the first signing of the short-lived Graves-Bidwill experiment, was dumped quickly and without direct word from Green. Green had similar experiences in Minnesota with embedded vets like Carl Lee and Wade Wilson, both who (like Blake) were miffed by the lack of an exit interview. Blake

NO ROOM FOR CRYBABIES!

received the news of his release from new offensive coordinator Alex Wood, who had never called a single play with Blake at quarterback. According to Green, Wood will work much more with newly named starter Josh McCown, whose late season run helped knock their former employer out of the NFL playoffs. Purely coincidental I’m sure, although the same could certainly not be said for Green’s astute opening move.

Green’s strategy was twofold. First, it cleared the way for a young quarterback to be drafted,

WONT YOU LOOK DUMB IF THEY
DONT TAKE A QB


and secondly it made very clear who is in charge of the Cardinals forlorn football operation these days. The preceding may come as a surprise to those in the Arizona media. As if their journalistic curiosity could go no lower, the majority of AZ media types bought into the naive notion that Green would share power with Graves. Old habits aren’t easily broken, but NFL execs working alongside Dennis Green often are. Just ask Jeff Diamond, the life long Vikings fan turned decorated VP who found himself unemployed following 1998’s 15-1 season.

HE WAS A FIGUREHEAD WHO WENT TO TENN AFTER 98.

According to reports out of Minnesota, Green was fond of the telling agents "there is only one cook in this kitchen." Not quite as self-aggrandizing as Buddy Ryan’s "You’re looking at The Franchise," (Ryan’s reference to himself), but one doesn’t get the impression Green prefers deference in regards to important (if any) personnel decisions. Jeff Blake would certainly agree. Blake was Graves’ first signing, which carries about the same clout of a cabinet official in an outgoing administration. Not that it’s a bad thing.

The relative strength of the Green signing was his ability the counterbalance the ridiculousness of the Cardinals "Grave new plan." Mr. Graves was one Anquan Boldin away from joining the likes of Mike Lynn (Herschel Walker trade) and the French Government (Louisiana Purchase). Ironically, had the French not been fleeced in the latter transaction, there may never have been a Louisiana team to rip off the Cardinals in the 2003 NFL Draft (or vice versa).

In any case, with a new sheriff in town, Graves’ days as personnel chieftain are over. This will allow Graves to do what he does best. That is, find ways not to sign 1st Round picks.
Much to the chagrin of potential 2nd Round defensive ends and receivers (i.e. Bryant Johnson and Calvin Pace types), the unlucky individual(s) drafted by the Cardinals will not be of Graves’ choosing. Green will have the final say in the draft, just as he did in appointing an undistinguished (at best) coaching staff.

SO WAS DUNGY AND BILLICK
LOOK AT THE UNDISTINGUISHED STAFF DG CREATED IN FIRST YEAR IN MINNE YOU IGNORANT PERSON!

Green’s first hire was longtime confidant Richard Solomon as defensive backs coach. Solomon’s credentials are the stuff of legends. No where in the league will you find someone that is as universally disliked or unwanted on a professional coaching staff.

Some of Solomon’s higher points include a sexual harassment claim,

IN AMERICA ONE IS INNOCENT
UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY - THIS IS A UNAMERICAN CHEAP SHOT!

sleeping through team meetings,

PROVE IT

initiating a physical confrontation with his own cornerback, and

PROVE IT

leading the Vikings secondary to remarkable rankings of 21, 28, 9, 29, 19, 30, and 28 during seven seasons.



HE WAS ON DEFENSIVE STAFF FOR #1 and #6 DEFENSES IN NFL. AND WORKED AS KEY ASSISTANT IN BEST RECORD IN NFL FOR 9 YEARS!!!!!!!

Green would dismiss such claims as hearsay. So much so that Green, himself (in 2001), reassigned "Solly" away from the post he currently holds with the Cardinals and so incredulous that the Washington Redskins had one demand if (then candidate) Green was to become their head coach: No Richard Solomon.

THIS WAS A RUMOR. WASHINGTON NEVER SAID THIS.

Joining Solomon (in that odd order) on the Cardinals defensive staff was coordinator Clancy Pendergast whose family had business ties to the Bidwills and (like Solomon) was not well liked by his pupils as linebackers coach in Cleveland.

AGAIN WHO CARES WTF PUPILS THINK. NFL IS ABOUT WINNING. LANDRY PARCELLS NOLL WERE NOT LIKED.


About the only in demand Green staffer was tight ends coach Patrick Flaherty who left the job before ever coaching a player.

YOU WOULD NOT SAY THAT ABOUT FLAHERTY IF HE HAD NOT LEFT. NICE HINDSIGHT ANALYSIS. WHO SAID THAT ABOUT DUNGY AND BILLICK BEFORE THEY WORKED WITH DG.

Given his track record, Green deserves the benefit the doubt when it comes to offensive assistants. Defense is another story.

One could make the argument that Dennis Green knows as much about defense as Ryan did offense. Whether Pendergast turns into the defensive version of Dave Atkins (Ryan's lame offensive coordinator) is still debatable.

WHAT A DUMB ARGUEMENT. DG AFTER DUNGY LEFT HAD A #6 DEFENSE INE THE NFL! HE HAD GOOD DEFENSE.
AGAIN HE COULD TURN INTO DUNGY DG' HIRE> WHY NOT LOOK AT THE DG HIRES HE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RYAN!!!!
HE ALSO HAD A SOLID GUY IN THOMAS WHO HAD A COUPLE TOP DEFENSES IN THE NFL AND FAZIO WAS A GOOD DC TOO!


Whether Green has curbed his enthusiasm for grabbing power is not. He hasn’t.

DG HAS AN ENTHUSIASM FOR WINNING. WHO DO YOU WANT DRAFTING AND SIGNING THE PLAYERS - THE GUY WHO DID THE VERY BEST JOB IN THE NFL IN MINN OR GRAVES. THE GUY WHO WANTED SUGGS OR PACE/JOHNSON? NO - BRAINER.
WHEN DID TOOK POWER IN MINNE HE DID IT CAUSE WOULDNT LET HIM TAKE SAPP ONCE TOOK OVER TEAM IMPROVED!!!!!



As verified by Blake’s quick eviction, this tiger has not lost his stripes or (more pointedly) this sheriff has not thrown down his badge. The "new Dennis Green" had a similar shelf life to other AZ Media myths like the "new Matt Williams", "new Tom Gugliotta", or the soon-to-be "new Elmer Dessens."

THERE IS NO "NEW" DG. DG IS DG THERE IS NOTHING NEW ABOUT HIM - HE WILL DO OR TRY AND DO WHAT HE DID IN MINN. THAT IS WHY HE WAS HIRED!


A better case (or analogy) could be made about the resemblance to another power hungry coach with a track record of winning. Similar

WHY COMPARE HIM TO RYAN? WHY NOT COMPARE HIM TO PARCELLS? DG IS NOT POWER HUNGRY DG IS WIN HUNGRY WHY WOULD GRAVES HIRE HIM? HE KNOWS WHAT DG IS ABOUT WINNING GRAVES FAILED IN THE DRAFT. HE HIRED DG TO DRAFT WELL AND MAKE THE RIGHT MOVES TO CREATE WINNING - WINNING MEANS GRAVES CAN SUCCEED LIKE DIAMOND DID BY DOING NOTHING AND LIVING OFF THE MOVES OF DG.


circumstances brought the perfect storm known as "Buddy Ball," which lasted all of two lousy seasons. Leading up to that, the Bidwills had displayed their "will to win" by spending $22 million on four (perhaps "targeted") free agents, finished another season with a "unacceptable" amount of wins, and fired a popular head coach who talked better than he led. Entering 1993, the Cardinals also lost a free agent in his prime of his career and made a hard push for a legend at the end of his. All in all, if you replace Steve Beuerlein, Gary Clark, Chuck Cecil and John Booty with Jeff Blake, Dexter Jackson, James Hodgins, and James Darling, Joe Bugel with Dave McGinnis, a 9 win ultimatum with the (rather pathetic) expectation of 8, Tim McDonald with David Boston, Joe Montana with Emmitt Smith, Bill Bidwill with Michael Bidwill, Bob Ackles with Rod Graves, and Buddy Ryan with Dennis Green, we have the most comprehensive case of historical repetition that the NFL has ever seen.

The similarities don’t stop there.

When Ryan took the job in 1994, he told the press contingent that "you’ve got a winner in town." In 1992, Green told the Minnesota’s media that there was a "new sheriff in town."

SO WHAT? WHAT A DUMB IRRELEVANT COMPARISON. SHEESH! COMPARE RYANS RECORDS TO DG - THERE IS NO COMPARISON DUH!

Both used their newfound power in ignominious (and often irritable) ways.

THIS IS BS!!!! DG DOESNT HAVE ANY NEWFOUND POWER. HE HAS NOT USED IT AN IGNOMINIOUS OR IRRITABLE WAY. BS!!


Ryan’s nepotism landed his two sons a job (it should be noted that both are still in the NFL) while giving

IF THEY ARE STILL WORKING IT DISPROVES YOUR POINT!!! DUH!

a third $40,000 thanks to shady deal with a fat lineman named Larry Tharpe (who the third son represented). Ryan also restructured the Cardinals scouting department with associates and friends of his family. Ryan’s sons had either coached with or under newly named scouts like Cole Procter, Bob Mazie, and George Martinez. Another scout, Leland Kendall, had played with Ryan at Oklahoma State.

WAKE UP FRIENDS ARE HIRED ALL THE TIME IN THE NFL. TICE HIRED HIS HS COACH AFTER HE WAS DISGRACED. KIDS OF PEOPLE ARE HIRED ON AS COACHES. THAT IS HOW THE WORLD WORKS.
PEOPLE HIRE PEOPLE THEY KNOW. DUH.

Besides keeping the ineffectual (not to mention problematic) Solomon around, Green gave a man

NEITHER INEFFECTUAL NOR PROBLEMATIC IF YOU CONSIDER BEING A KEY TO 9 STRAIGHT WINNING YEARS 4 DIVISIONS and 8 PLAYOFFS and 2 NFC FINALS in 3 YEARS IS PROBLEMATIC!!

named Silas McKinnie a scouting job, in the words of one Minnesota writer, "for no apparent reason other than his status as Green’s longtime friend." McKinnie (like Solomon) was Green's college teammate at Iowa.

THE MINNESOTA MEDIA WAS OUT TO GET DG. BOTH THE NY TIMES AND WASH. POST WROTE ABOUT THIS HIGH TECH LYNCHING. NOW YOU JOIN IN.

Ryan and Green also spent little time asserting their power at the expense of the Bidwills’ symbolic signings. Ryan ran Steve Beuerlein out of Arizona inside of a year. Green didn’t wait so long with Blake.


NO IDEA ON RYAN. BUT WHY COMPARE HIM TO DG. DG'S RECORD AND APPROACH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RYAN.
RYAN'S RECORD CANNOT COMPARE TO DG.
DG CUT BLAKE CAUSE HE SUCKS. NO OTHER REASON.

Given the body of evidence, it's almost incomprehensible some have referred to Green's hiring as being "unprecedented in Cardinals history." As cynical (or easy) a conclusion that it seems, this "newest era" will amount to another winning coach losing out to a bad organization. And they always do.

NO CAUSE: (1) DG IS TAKING OVER THE ORGANIZTION (2) THE ORGANIZATION HAS TO CHANGE CAUSE THEY HAVE A STADIUM TO FILL AND NEED A WINNER SO THEY HIRED DG - JUST LIKE CINCI CHANGED LAST YEAR!


Courtesy of Rod Lakin - Producer and Host AZGameday

WHOEVER THIS GUY IS JUST WROTE A STEAMING PILE OF HORSE CRAP. MAYBE HE SHOULD BE FIRED FROM HIS JOB SINCE IF THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF HIS WORK IT IS SHODDY INDEED. HOW DOES HE KEEP HIS JOB? NEPOTISM?

Green's record so far. 0-0

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Being the generous soul that I am. :D I'm willing to provide both R Lakin and Vikingsfan with blackmarket m-16's (with ammo) so they can have a real mano a mano duel over this.

:thumbup:

If I was a betting man, I would put my money on R. Lakin, cause Vikey Boy can't get his blinders off . :cool:

But then he might beat him on quantity.
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As most of you know, I'm a "seeing is believing" sort of guy. The most important thing this article fails to mention is Green's record in Minnesota. He may not be the man to get this franchise to a Super Bowl (I'm not certain anyone is), but it is hard to argue with his previous success. Ryan had some, but clearly a lesser list of previous accomplishments.

If nothing else Green's presence should mean the Cards are finally a viable destination for free agents.

As to Green making the personnel calls, I never had any doubts that would happen.

I like some of the assistant coaches hired and I am willing to wait and see on the others. I have never considered popularity a good measuring stick.

I don't care what Dan Snyder thinks of any coach, except Joe Gibbs, though I must admit Solomon's record is a concern is the facts are correct.

As to drafting a quarterback, I think it more likely the Blake move signifies he won't.

The gentleman certainly has a right to his opinion. I just don't happen to share it. Time may prove him correct. Bidwill has certainly worn down some good men in the past. Still, at this point I am cautiously optimistic.
 

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Re: Green Bashing

Originally posted by Garthshort
VikesFan, great job in "bitch slapping" Lakin. That was a first round knockout. I've never heard of the guy but it's obvious that he has an axe to grind. Your point by point rebuttal was excellent.

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Way to go VikesFan!!!
 

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Originally posted by WizardOfAz
From www.azgameday.com

Joining Solomon (in that odd order) on the Cardinals defensive staff was coordinator Clancy Pendergast whose family had business ties to the Bidwills and (like Solomon) was not well liked by his pupils as linebackers coach in Cleveland.

Courtesy of Rod Lakin - Producer and Host AZGameday

Can you back this up with a quote or attribute it to anyone in Cleveland in any way?

What a hack RLakin is. How come he hasn't said or wrote anything good about Arthur Blank since Ron Wolfley put him in his place? Don't want to make the boss mad RLakin?
 

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This guy has been blasting the Cards and the new stadium for years now. They are an easy target to be sure, but most of what he says is half truths. It is not a stretch for real Cards fans to put some trust in both RG and Dennis Green. The coach has respect of real NFL people, he has a record that is unmatched from a W-L perspective and the most important of all is that the Players want to play for him and WIN for him. A negative spin will always surround the Cards org until they WIN. Coach Green can make that happen and hacks like RLakin and his ilk will successfully fade into the shadows. We finally have a Coach that we can truly get behind with confidence that he will turn this ship around. Captain, MY Captain Dennis Green truly is. Mike Bidwill and RG are making strides as well. They have all exceeded expectations. Now they have to WIN.
 

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I just can't see how anyone can compare Buddy with Green...
However, if there is one comparison that I would like to see, it's the fact that quite a few big name players followed Buddy to Arizona to play for him....

A quarterback doesn't just get cut because he sucks or from a power trip by the coach: he probably just wasn't right for the system he would have to play in...

I remember Defense being quite a weakness of Minnisota's... I'm not sure of past relations of DG's defensive staff, but I do hope that there are a few new faces/ideas..... :confused:
 

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Originally posted by MadRob
I just can't see how anyone can compare Buddy with Green...
However, if there is one comparison that I would like to see, it's the fact that quite a few big name players followed Buddy to Arizona to play for him....

A quarterback doesn't just get cut because he sucks or from a power trip by the coach: he probably just wasn't right for the system he would have to play in...

I remember Defense being quite a weakness of Minnisota's... I'm not sure of past relations of DG's defensive staff, but I do hope that there are a few new faces/ideas..... :confused:


Well defense was not a big weakness. IIRC DG had a number 1 and 6 rated defense in his time in Minne. He also had 7 years with top 7 TO defenses and he had top 10 run defense 3 times and top 10 pass defense 3 times. In the NFL it is very hard to build a great defense and great offense because of cap limitations.
 

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For gosh sakes, can we give Green a chance before we start bashing him?

What would this guy have wrote about fassell or some of the other coaching candidates?

What a jerk.
 

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From Tony Grossi of the Cleveland Plain Dealer on Jan 18th:
"Brownie bits: The Browns were pleased that linebackers coach Clancy Pendergast found a graceful exit as Arizona defensive coordinator. Some veteran players were not ecstatic with the young assistant coach. His departure immediately increases the chances of the Browns retaining linebacker Brant Boyer, who sparred often with Pendergast. . . . "

I’m sure this media source is incredulous, a theme I sense will be used many times in the rebuttals. Grossi, Patrick Reusse, Kevin Seifert, Dan Barreiro, Don Pierson, Bob McGinn, Brian Wicker, Deborah Caulfield Rybak, Bill Williamson, Curt Brown, Sean Jensen, Sid Hartman, Salena Roberts, Kent Youngblood, Jody Goldstein, and Chris Mortenson are all biased (not to mention "racist") journalists I’m sure. Besides Grossi and Mort, the other 14 were regional co-conspirators in the "media lynching." You know, because Minneapolis has such a racially-combative political climate. Among those quoted on Solomon in the articles from the preceding (and apparently racist authors) were guys like Carl Lee, Jimmy Hitchcock, and Duane Clemons (all African-American). Roberts, by the way, is now a columnist for the New York Times, one of those publications that made the supposed "media lynching" accusation. In point of fact, I've been unable to find that quote, so if you'd like to provide it for me, I'd love to read it myself. Red McCombs, the Texas native whom I'm sure the "racist" angle will probably shift towards, hired African-American John Lucas as his 2nd coach after buying the San Antonio Spurs.

But here are some of my favorites in the supposed "high tech media lynching":

From Youngblood:

"Defensive backs coach Richard Solomon, unhappy with the play of cornerback Ramos McDonald, shouted face-to-face with McDonald. The incident escalated when Solomon grabbed McDonald, and McDonald grabbed back. The two had to be separated.

Still, some point to Green's loyalty to Solomon as a problem. Solomon, who also holds the position of assistant head coach, has been blamed at least in part by some for the exit of experienced cornerbacks after each of the past three seasons.

"I respect Denny to the utmost," one source formerly associated with the team said. "He's a great coach. But he's got one guy dragging him down."

Solomon, who did not respond to an interview request for this story, played a part in the exit of McDonald, a second-year player starting for the first time in 1999."
Clemons:
"He was already in a high-pressure situation," Clemons, a free agent who will not return to the Vikings, said of McDonald. "[Solomon] made it a lot worse. He attacked him, every day. No professional would want to be attacked like that. The lack of knowledge on how to play the position wasn't his fault. He wasn't getting any help. . . ."


"[Hitchcock] and [safety Robert] Griffith both stepped up. Jimmy, by far. Anything the corners learned during the season came from Jimmy. He had an opinion and believed in the team and wanted to win. In turn, people, I think, felt threatened that this guy had a brain and was thinking. For whatever reason, they didn't like or appreciate that."

Hitchcock:
"It's hard to be around a team that you know should win, only needs a couple decisions to win, but it can't win because those decisions won't be made. This was a team that put a receiver at cornerback [Robert Tate] in the playoffs. . . . I couldn't stand around and be quiet about it. I want to be around a team that at least wants to win."

Dan Barreiro, Feb 2, 2003
The Jaguars backed off, and Green withdrew. The NFL, remember, is a small world. Leave aside the current trend, which is not to give coaches the keys to the entire franchise anymore. The Jaguars just might have heard that Green's thirst for power is insatiable, and that sooner or later he is perfectly willing to stab in the back anybody with whom he shares that power. That is, other than [Richard Solomon], another name that strikes fear into the hearts of any team considering Green.
You can see it coming. Charges of another vast conspiracy against Denny, right?
Well, it's a sensational, headline-grabbing notion, but before Cochran starts filing the briefs, reality reveals a slightly less ominous and mysterious conclusion: Green is on the outside looking in, in large part because of the usual reasons - timing, ego, power, greed and Richard Solomon.

Williamson: Jan 5, 2002
Until this season, when Green finally began to lose control.
He fought with team President Gary Woods. Last February, Green hung up on Woods because Woods questioned why Green gave some assistant coaches raises without consulting Woods or McCombs. Such incidents helped erode Green's relationship with McCombs.
The rift almost came to a head after the Vikings' Nov. 19 victory over the New York Giants. McCombs wanted Green to fire inside- linebackers coach and personnel director Richard Solomon. Green refused and threatened to quit.
"That was the worst feeling I had after a victory," a Vikings coach said. "It was intense. Denny almost left."
However, Green told those close to him he never would fire Solomon. McCombs had tried to have Green fire Solomon in the past. Yet, after last season Green promoted Solomon by giving him the personnel title.
Throughout Green's term with the Vikings, fellow coaches and players privately criticized Solomon, Green's best friend from college. Solomon's coaching ability has been questioned, and one player said Solomon often slept during their defensive meetings. Yet, he is Green's closest confidant and he wasn't going anywhere.
Solomon surely will be fired Tuesday, joining his friend on the outside of Winter Park."

Don Pierson, Jan 5, 2002
"McCombs wanted longtime Green aide Richard Solomon removed from his job as inside linebackers coach and director of pro personnel, but Green refused.
Those familiar with the situation say the personnel changes would include removing Richard Solomon, currently the team's director of pro personnel/inside linebackers coach and Green's closest confidant, from a decision- making role.
Whether Solomon would be fired is uncertain, but any attempt to oust Solomon would strike Green at the core of his makeup. One of the most enigmatic and mysterious figures in the Vikings' organization, Solomon wields significant influence with Green and is his most trusted advisor. While Green has cut emotional ties with many advisors over the years, he has remained fiercely loyal to Solomon and bristles at criticism of him."
Brian Wicker , Jan 22, 2001
"The best part of Dennis Green's annual Vikings coaching staff reshuffling was addition by subtraction: getting rid of Richard Solomon's assistant head coach title and shifting him away from the defensive backs other teams enjoyed feasting on.
Solomon and Green are good friends, which was getting in the way of the business of picking off a pass or two. The Vikings finished 28th in pass defense this season and have intercepted only 20 passes in the past two seasons. Personality clashes with Solomon played a part in chasing off both prospects (Ramos McDonald in 1999) and long- in-the-tooth veterans (Cris Dishman in 2000)."

Bob McGinn, December 27, 2001
Richard Solomon coached the outside linebackers in 1992-'93 and the secondary from 1994-2000. In seven seasons coaching the secondary, the Vikings ranked 21st, 28th, ninth, 29th, 19th, 30th and 28th in pass defense.
Lee: "The unfortunate truth is, I know more about playing cornerback than (Solomon) does."
Selena Roberts Dec 23, 1995
But Vikings assistant coach Richard Solomon declined to comment on his secondary. And in doing so, he did not offer support for his players or an explanation as to why the Vikings' pass defense is scraping bottom with a ranking of 28th in the NFL.
What has gone wrong is not in the written word, but in the numbers. The Vikings plummeted from the sixth-ranked pass defense in 1993 under assistant Willie Shaw to 21st last year, which was Solomon's first go at secondary coach. This year, things are worse.
Lee is one of several past and present Vikings defensive backs who have expressed skepticism about Solomon's ability to teach the fundamentals. Former Vikings safety Vencie Glenn also was known to question Solomon's methods.
All of this backlash, plus the embarrassment of having receiver after receiver compile career-best and season-best numbers against the Vikings - from Jerry Rice's 289-yard day to Detroit's pass-happy Thanksgiving when all three of its receivers topped 100 yards - would seem cause to review Solomon's job performance.
That's not likely. Solomon is coach Dennis Green's closest confidante, a relationship formed in their playing days at Iowa.
That alone might protect Solomon from a pink slip. Green already resisted pressure to dismiss Solomon this past off-season after an affidavit outlining alleged incidents of sexual harassment by Solomon was disclosed. The affidavit helped lead to a $150,000 settlement against Solomon, who was named in a sexual harassment claim."


But even the media conspiracies don’t cover up the stats (that I gave) on Solomon or the fact (and that’s exactly what it is) that Green reassigned him from the defensive backs coach job in 2001. And know I don’t take solace in the fact that the Vikings were performing in general when Solomon's area of supposed expertise was not. That's not contributing, its called overcoming.
So in summary am I to believe that 15 writers (including myself) and 4 (at the very least) players got it wrong or is the guy whose DB's averaged a ranking of 23 in pass defense really good at his current job.
 
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Ouch!

That doesn't sound to good. Good job RLakin...

You proved your point. But one question: The Vikes secondary generally seemed to suck mainly from a talent standpoint. Wasn't a lack of talent a big factor in why the secondary sucked?
 
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Originally posted by RLakin
But even the media conspiracies don’t cover up the stats (that I gave) on Solomon or the fact (and that’s exactly what it is) that Green reassigned him from the defensive backs coach job in 2001. And know I don’t take solace in the fact that the Vikings were performing in general when Solomon's area of supposed expertise was not. That's not contributing, its called overcoming.
So in summary am I to believe that 15 writers (including myself) and 4 (at the very least) players got it wrong or is the guy whose DB's averaged a ranking of 23 in pass defense really good at his current job.


I've told you before, don't mess with RLakin when he is on a roll.....just ask Matt Williams!
 

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Let me try to explain my reaction to your article.

First, I treat published "quotes" with a considerable amount of sceptisism, why ? Because they frequently seem to be taken out of context and done so deliberately. I can give you two examples, these are not heresay, they are from opersonal experience.

A couple of years ago (long before we had access) a "journalist" from the Republic called my wife to get a season ticket holders opinions (I don't remember how he got out number, it was a while ago and I don't remember who it was). He spent over 30 minutes asking questions about our opinions, hopes for the upcoming season. When the article appeared in print it was clear what he had done. He was writing a typical Arizona "The Cardinals are evil and suck" article, with no attempt to provide analysis, just pure venom. In the midst of this was one quote from my wife along the lines of "I hope they do better this year", but it was reported as a plaintif cry from a frustrated season ticket holder, none of which was true.

The second was from a published article based on a post practice "under the tree" press session with Mac. The article went through the questions asked and Mac's responses until it got to one, I think it was which RB would/should start next week. At this point the article included the quation but unless you read it carefully you would not have noticed that what was written in the article was not a quote from Mac but an opinion of the writer. It was there to "spice" up the article. How do I know, well I was standing under the same tree and my tape recorder was next to the one for the guy that wrote the article.

As for you other facts, what you wrote about was a bunch of apparently unconneted "facts" some of which may even be true but true does not make them relevant.

I like most others see no commonality between Dennis Green and Buddy, but you make this comparison to "spice" things up.

As you obviously know Rod Graves, I cannot imagine that you believe that he would allow any of the unethical tricks that Buddy has been reported to have pulled, but somehow you fail to mention this.

You make sarcastic comments Graves ability and how he was one pick (Boldin) away from disaster. But isn't the point that he did pick Boldin and I'm not entirely convinced that coaching hasn't been a lot of the problem. I think you also have to add to that the point that he also had a hand in bringing Green in.

As to if Green is a "new" Green or is (and was) still power hungry. Maybe but isn't also possible that he was power hungry previously because he had little faith in the FO in Minn. Maybe, maybe not only time will tell.

You talk about a "winning coach losing out to a bad organization" which implies that the failure (which you are already assuming as fact) will be the fault of the Cardinals organization not Coach Green. I find this odd as you spent your entire time slamming Green.

Given that we now know we are destined for failure over the next several years, who is responsible ? The coach who you obviously dislike or the Cardinals FO?

If it is the coach, who should they have hired ? What should they have done ? It's easy to critic a hiring but it takes more effort to analyze a move and offer rational suggestions.

I know one thing that Dennis Green has achived, he has a highly motivated starting QB and that can't be a bad thing.
 
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You Go RLakin

I love it when facts get in the way of Euphoria.

Watch out for the Blind Faith Brigade . I see a salvo coming.:cheers:
 

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Ripping on the Cardinals' front office decisions takes little talent.
This article by Lakin would be much more interesting if he put his own balls on the line by saying what HE would've done differently.

So, Lakin, who would you have hired as coach?
 

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OK, Wally, if you like it so much I'd love to see you or Lakin dispute Vike's comments.

Heck, Vike isn't even a Cardinals fan.
 

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Let me try to explain my reaction to your article.

First, I treat published "quotes" with a considerable amount of sceptisism, why ? Because they frequently seem to be taken out of context and done so deliberately. I can give you two examples, these are not heresay, they are from opersonal experience.

A couple of years ago (long before we had access) a "journalist" from the Republic called my wife to get a season ticket holders opinions (I don't remember how he got out number, it was a while ago and I don't remember who it was). He spent over 30 minutes asking questions about our opinions, hopes for the upcoming season. When the article appeared in print it was clear what he had done. He was writing a typical Arizona "The Cardinals are evil and suck" article, with no attempt to provide analysis, just pure venom. In the midst of this was one quote from my wife along the lines of "I hope they do better this year", but it was reported as a plaintif cry from a frustrated season ticket holder, none of which was true.

The second was from a published article based on a post practice "under the tree" press session with Mac. The article went through the questions asked and Mac's responses until it got to one, I think it was which RB would/should start next week. At this point the article included the quation but unless you read it carefully you would not have noticed that what was written in the article was not a quote from Mac but an opinion of the writer. It was there to "spice" up the article. How do I know, well I was standing under the same tree and my tape recorder was next to the one for the guy that wrote the article.

As for you other facts, what you wrote about was a bunch of apparently unconneted "facts" some of which may even be true but true does not make them relevant.

I like most others see no commonality between Dennis Green and Buddy, but you make this comparison to "spice" things up.

As you obviously know Rod Graves, I cannot imagine that you believe that he would allow any of the unethical tricks that Buddy has been reported to have pulled, but somehow you fail to mention this.

You make sarcastic comments Graves ability and how he was one pick (Boldin) away from disaster. But isn't the point that he did pick Boldin and I'm not entirely convinced that coaching hasn't been a lot of the problem. I think you also have to add to that the point that he also had a hand in bringing Green in.

As to if Green is a "new" Green or is (and was) still power hungry. Maybe but isn't also possible that he was power hungry previously because he had little faith in the FO in Minn. Maybe, maybe not only time will tell.

You talk about a "winning coach losing out to a bad organization" which implies that the failure (which you are already assuming as fact) will be the fault of the Cardinals organization not Coach Green. I find this odd as you spent your entire time slamming Green.

Given that we now know we are destined for failure over the next several years, who is responsible ? The coach who you obviously dislike or the Cardinals FO?

If it is the coach, who should they have hired ? What should they have done ? It's easy to critic a hiring but it takes more effort to analyze a move and offer rational suggestions.

I know one thing that Dennis Green has achived, he has a highly motivated starting QB and that can't be a bad thing.

THANKS for calmly taking apart that disjointed "bile".
 
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