Robert Nkemdiche aka "The Inactive One"

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This is false:

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/2017-slot-vs-wide-wide-receivers

Fitz was slightly above-average from the slot last season, and he was way below average from the outside. He had 122 targets from the slot and just 32 from the outside.

I don't like footballoutsiders, but okay lets go with this idea. When Larry was outside in the BA offense he did block most of the time, and was the best blocker in the NFL as a WR at it, so this alone accounts for me that theire DOVA and DOVA are useless or rated by someone that doesn't recognise how usefull that is.

But back to the 32 targets, most of them were to short for a first down because Fitz was on a curl route that should have cleared out the deeper routes but everyone else wasn't free and he got doubled to stop him and yes in that case he is to slow to outrun to DB and that was one of the most outcries of the fans even hear on the gameday threat and it was always the same 3rd and 11 or 3rd and 9 and Fitz gets the ball and is 2-5 yards short.

And yes if you try to get to Fitz on 3rd and long, he might not get you the 3rd down against the opponent #1 CB and Saftie over the top, he isn't that good anymore, but that goes for the most WR on the outside nowadays. So Fitz might get more targets on the outside and see his worth on the outside go up for footballoutsiders.

But we might disagree on this point.
 

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I don't like footballoutsiders, but okay lets go with this idea. When Larry was outside in the BA offense he did block most of the time, and was the best blocker in the NFL as a WR at it, so this alone accounts for me that theire DOVA and DOVA are useless or rated by someone that doesn't recognise how usefull that is.

But back to the 32 targets, most of them were to short for a first down because Fitz was on a curl route that should have cleared out the deeper routes but everyone else wasn't free and he got doubled to stop him and yes in that case he is to slow to outrun to DB and that was one of the most outcries of the fans even hear on the gameday threat and it was always the same 3rd and 11 or 3rd and 9 and Fitz gets the ball and is 2-5 yards short.

And yes if you try to get to Fitz on 3rd and long, he might not get you the 3rd down against the opponent #1 CB and Saftie over the top, he isn't that good anymore, but that goes for the most WR on the outside nowadays. So Fitz might get more targets on the outside and see his worth on the outside go up for footballoutsiders.

But we might disagree on this point.

So, your argument is that because he blocks well for a WR, does not have the deep speed to threaten defenses over the top, and because he does not require help over the top by defenses...he is still an elite outside WR?

Dude, being able to threaten a defense deep and therefore demanding a S over the top is one of the many skills that is requisite to being a top end outside WR. That's like saying Ted Ginn is a great WR because he is a tremendous deep threat, and it doesn't matter that he struggles to consistently catch the ball and is not a polished interior route runner.

The only reason Larry is still able to play in this league is because he has evolved into an excellent slot WR. The ability to be a polished route runner from the slot is where he can exploit the two-way go that position is afforded.

I will say again, and it is not debatable, "Larry is not a top end outside WR. When we run 3 wr sets, he needs to be inside to be successful." That is why Kirk doesn't get first team reps, they have to play the same position to be successful, and Kirk is not as good from the slot right now as Larry.
 

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I don't like footballoutsiders, but okay lets go with this idea. When Larry was outside in the BA offense he did block most of the time, and was the best blocker in the NFL as a WR at it, so this alone accounts for me that theire DOVA and DOVA are useless or rated by someone that doesn't recognise how usefull that is.

But back to the 32 targets, most of them were to short for a first down because Fitz was on a curl route that should have cleared out the deeper routes but everyone else wasn't free and he got doubled to stop him and yes in that case he is to slow to outrun to DB and that was one of the most outcries of the fans even hear on the gameday threat and it was always the same 3rd and 11 or 3rd and 9 and Fitz gets the ball and is 2-5 yards short.

And yes if you try to get to Fitz on 3rd and long, he might not get you the 3rd down against the opponent #1 CB and Saftie over the top, he isn't that good anymore, but that goes for the most WR on the outside nowadays. So Fitz might get more targets on the outside and see his worth on the outside go up for footballoutsiders.

But we might disagree on this point.

All the bolded are assertions without evidence. Larry ran curl routes on 29 passes out of 161 (https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/2017-dvoa-routes-receivers). All of them were on the slim portion of passes that he ran from the outside?
 

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So, your argument is that because he blocks well for a WR, does not have the deep speed to threaten defenses over the top, and because he does not require help over the top by defenses...he is still an elite outside WR?

Dude, being able to threaten a defense deep and therefore demanding a S over the top is one of the many skills that is requisite to being a top end outside WR. That's like saying Ted Ginn is a great WR because he is a tremendous deep threat, and it doesn't matter that he struggles to consistently catch the ball and is not a polished interior route runner.

The only reason Larry is still able to play in this league is because he has evolved into an excellent slot WR. The ability to be a polished route runner from the slot is where he can exploit the two-way go that position is afforded.

I will say again, and it is not debatable, "Larry is not a top end outside WR. When we run 3 wr sets, he needs to be inside to be successful." That is why Kirk doesn't get first team reps, they have to play the same position to be successful, and Kirk is not as good from the slot right now as Larry.

Chopper I wrote that if you let Larry play 1on1 against a non top CB on the outside you give him a free 5-9 yards catch and depending on the CB much more. That is what Larry does and did all the time, he gets the double coverage, but if there is no one else the step up, like Floyd did back than, Larry can't catch or if he catches it is only a 5 yard catch because no one goes somewhere.

And no not all 29 curl routes were on the outside but gosh ... many of them and he had only 32 outside at all last year if I'm not wrong.

And yes I'm with both of you when you say Larry is a better Slot WR than outside WR nowadays but I say he can still play outside and be effective or really good.
 
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By Wilks' press conference all practiced fully except for Golden. Not sure where all of the lmtd designations are from.
 

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I have a gut feeling Nkemdiche has a sack or two this Sunday. No rational reason, just a hunch.
 

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I told my wife to key on #90 as we watched the game last night. Told her he was a total bust and wouldn't do anything.

Then RN goes out and is one of the lone bright spots on the defense. He was far from perfect but there was actually a Diche sighting.
 

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I told my wife to key on #90 as we watched the game last night. Told her he was a total bust and wouldn't do anything.

Then RN goes out and is one of the lone bright spots on the defense. He was far from perfect but there was actually a Diche sighting.
curious...was he really that good?? Or did he only stand out because the rest of the defense was really that bad?
 

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curious...was he really that good?? Or did he only stand out because the rest of the defense was really that bad?

It was his best game as a pro. Not a pro bowl performance, but he was at least serviceable/doing what is expected from the position.
 

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