Robert Nkemdiche aka "The Inactive One"

[DVontel]

So you didn't even want Kirk? I won't argue that DT and OL are huge needs (DE doesn't even come close, and you're REALLY forgetting ILBer as a huge need), but you wanted Fitz and no other NFL quality receivers? Rooting for us to lose, then? Do you simply feel WR isn't an offensive impact position or something? Do you remember the old days when we didn't have any WRs?

Kind of confused at the 2nd sentence. Are you saying DE isn’t as huge of need compared to WR or compared to DT/OL?

 

[JeffGollin]

Worst case -

Praise him, praise him and praise him some more - maximize his value & then trade him.

Hopefully there will be a more optimistic outcome where he'll turn out to be stellar.

 

[TJ]

Not really. Dan Marino needed more of a supporting cast and didn't win a SB because of it. You can't throw garbage/nobody players out there all the time and expect to win championships...unless you're Tom Brady lol

Drew Brees, A-Rodg and others have had very few high round draft pick receivers. Yeah, it’s cool to have a first-round receiver, but there are other positions in which depth is more important.

 

[DVontel]

I do somewhat disagree with Chop about the lack of selecting a receiving option in the 2nd or 3rd rounds, though.

You don’t need playmakers everywhere, but you just can’t run out there with JAGs.

Can you remember the last time a team won a SB that didn’t feature a WR/TE drafted in the 2nd round?

 

[kerouac9]

So you didn't even want Kirk? I won't argue that DT and OL are huge needs (DE doesn't even come close, and you're REALLY forgetting ILBer as a huge need), but you wanted Fitz and no other NFL quality receivers? Rooting for us to lose, then? Do you simply feel WR isn't an offensive impact position or something? Bo you remember the old days when we didn't have any WRs?

How old are you talking? It's been at least 20 years in my count since we lacked a Top 15 receiver.

As TJ kind of infers, it's cool as hell to have A.J. Green, but where has it taken the Bengals? On the other hand, the Vikes were awesome with two guys in Stefon Diggs and Adam Theilen.

 

[kerouac9]

I do somewhat disagree with Chop about the lack of selecting a receiving option in the 2nd or 3rd rounds, though.

You don’t need playmakers everywhere, but you just can’t run out there with JAGs.

Can you remember the last time a team won a SB that didn’t feature a WR/TE drafted in the 2nd round?

Won a Super Bowl? You're bascially just talking about a couple of teams in the last 20 years. The Jags, Chiefs, and Titans did pretty well last season without high draft picks in featured receiver roles.

 

[DVontel]

Won a Super Bowl? You're bascially just talking about a couple of teams in the last 20 years. The Jags, Chiefs, and Titans did pretty well last season without high draft picks in featured receiver roles.

The Chiefs? Ehhhh. I’m on the fence about that one. Kelce was an early 3rd rounder, so I guess that’s not that high.

Jags loaded up their defense. Fair point.

Titans leaned on their OL & run game. I don’t know how they managed to do well outside of that. However, that’s also fair.

 

[Stout]

Kind of confused at the 2nd sentence. Are you saying DE isn’t as huge of need compared to WR or compared to DT/OL?

Not as big as DT/OL/WR/ILBer

 

[kerouac9]

Not as big as DT/OL/WR/ILBer

really? We have Chandler Jones and a bunch of guys who aren’t good enough to start for the 31 other teams. Markus Golden is injured and a free agent next year.

DE might be our worst group after TE.

 

[Finito]

Fitzgerald
Megatron
Andre Johnson
T.O
Moss
A.J Green
Julio Jones

The best WR of this generation all certian hall of famers. How many rings do these guys have combined? The answer is 0. WR is a secondary position. Nice to have but you don't need a star WR to win. WR is highly overrated.

QB, Protect the QB, Rush the QB. Those are the most important parts of a team.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Won a Super Bowl? You're bascially just talking about a couple of teams in the last 20 years. The Jags, Chiefs, and Titans did pretty well last season without high draft picks in featured receiver roles.

I have heard a few media guys state with this kind of offense being run by McCoy, that it really does not need your traditional stud WR to function and it's more about the accuracy of the QB on short and intermediate routes making the WRs look better than they are. I think this team will have to draft another WR (if Fitz retires) but I like what I have seen from Kirk and Williams so far, albeit preseason... what does your football mind have to say K9 towards this particular offense and the WR prerequisite

 

[GatorAZ]

Fitzgerald
Megatron
Andre Johnson
T.O
Moss
A.J Green
Julio Jones

The best WR of this generation all certian hall of famers. How many rings do these guys have combined? The answer is 0. WR is a secondary position. Nice to have but you don't need a star WR to win. WR is highly overrated.

QB, Protect the QB, Rush the QB. Those are the most important parts of a team.

Of course Santonio Holmes having a SB MVP is the most Cardinal thing ever.

 

[Stout]

Fitzgerald
Megatron
Andre Johnson
T.O
Moss
A.J Green
Julio Jones

The best WR of this generation all certian hall of famers. How many rings do these guys have combined? The answer is 0. WR is a secondary position. Nice to have but you don't need a star WR to win. WR is highly overrated.

QB, Protect the QB, Rush the QB. Those are the most important parts of a team.

You don't need a star. On the other hand, you need actual NFL WRs, not CFL-caliber WRs. We hope Kirk works out. Fitz is nearing the end. And that's about it.

 

[Finito]

You don't need a star. On the other hand, you need actual NFL WRs, not CFL-caliber WRs. We hope Kirk works out. Fitz is nearing the end. And that's about it.

Pretty much. You need guys with good hands and that you can count on to show up.

It's a position you can save a lot of money on

 

[Chopper0080]

I think Kirk will be an OK player, I just wouldn't have made that pick. There is just too much of a glut of WR options every off-season for me to value it more with an uncertain QB situation. Also, Kirk is a wasted pick if Fitz doesn't retire.

I just believe in protecting my QB and pressuring the opposing QB before spending 1st and 2nd round picks on RBs and WRs.

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[DVontel]

I think Kirk will be an OK player, I just wouldn't have made that pick. There is just too much of a glut of WR options every off-season for me to value it more with an uncertain QB situation. Also, Kirk is a wasted pick if Fitz doesn't retire.

I just believe in protecting my QB and pressuring the opposing QB before spending 1st and 2nd round picks on RBs and WRs.

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How?

 

[gimpy]

Well, I guess you have your beliefs and opinions, and other people have theirs.

 

[Stout]

I think Kirk will be an OK player, I just wouldn't have made that pick. There is just too much of a glut of WR options every off-season for me to value it more with an uncertain QB situation. Also, Kirk is a wasted pick if Fitz doesn't retire.

I just believe in protecting my QB and pressuring the opposing QB before spending 1st and 2nd round picks on RBs and WRs.

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That's more than fair (although the Kirk statement is pretty damn silly). It doesn't mean the WR position isn't a gaping hole in the roster and a huge need; it means you prefer filling that need later in the draft/in FA. Fair play to you.

 

[Chopper0080]

How?

Kirk will never play over Fitz in the slot, and Kirk hasn't seemed capable of playing outside.

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[CardLogic]

Of course Santonio Holmes having a SB MVP is the most Cardinal thing ever.

Who? Haven't heard of him since then. . .

 

[oaken1]

Kirk will never play over Fitz in the slot, and Kirk hasn't seemed capable of playing outside.

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Are we certain wilks and mccoy are going to keep Larry in the slot? That was a BA thing...they may move him back outside

 

[Chopper0080]

Are we certain wilks and mccoy are going to keep Larry in the slot? That was a BA thing...they may move him back outside

Larry is not a top end outside WR. When we run 3 wr sets, he needs to be inside to be successful

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[wit3card]

Larry is not a top end outside WR. When we run 3 wr sets, he needs to be inside to be successful

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No he doesn't, what a missconception ...

Fitz route running is the best in the league and he has the best hands in the NFL (and that since ever). He can stil catch contested balls and comes down with 50/50 balls more times than not.

So any 1on1 on the outside against a CB that isn't called PP21/Sherman/Howard/Ramsey/
Bouye Fitz wins more times than not and even they would have problems with him. So yes, Fitz will not go deep very often, expect against a zone D but I expect, he will used as #1 WR all day long and in McCoys offense, going deep isn't a main.

Back to topic, I hope Nkemdiche can at least play football this season, if not good atleast enough snaps to let others get some needed rest. I hope he can play better than that but, he looks like a bust for now.

 

[kerouac9]

No he doesn't, what a missconception ...

Fitz route running is the best in the league and he has the best hands in the NFL (and that since ever). He can stil catch contested balls and comes down with 50/50 balls more times than not.

So any 1on1 on the outside against a CB that isn't called PP21/Sherman/Howard/Ramsey/
Bouye Fitz wins more times than not and even they would have problems with him. So yes, Fitz will not go deep very often, expect against a zone D but I expect, he will used as #1 WR all day long and in McCoys offense, going deep isn't a main.

Back to topic, I hope Nkemdiche can at least play football this season, if not good atleast enough snaps to let others get some needed rest. I hope he can play better than that but, he looks like a bust for now.

This is false:

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/2017-slot-vs-wide-wide-receivers

Fitz was slightly above-average from the slot last season, and he was way below average from the outside. He had 122 targets from the slot and just 32 from the outside.

 

[Buckybird]

Larry is not a top end outside WR. When we run 3 wr sets, he needs to be inside to be successful

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I luv how people keep doubting #11 & what he still can/can’t do!