Roc and Manucci to announce a comeback of a former Cardinals player!

[cardsfanmd]

As a fan who has only followed the Cardinals since they have come to Arizona. I have absolutley no problem with the team honoring former players outside of Arizona.

It's refreshing to hear about the sucess stories from the past. Rather than the usual 'the cardinals are crap and always be crap' stories.

Thank you.

 

[Skkorpion]

My apologies to cardsfanmd for overreacting. Bigredmo is also partially right.

Remember, we have known nothing but misery and incompetence from ownership here. You had good teams in St. Louis so you've felt some reward. I'm jealous. That's a fact.

 

[Duckjake]

I also wish they would give thanks to guys who put it all out on the field in AZ and there are few guys who come to my mind (35,37)

The play in Arizona has been so weak you'd be hard pressed to come up with a decent Arizona only "all-time" team (no players allowed who played in St.Louis). Most of the guys would be current players.

 

[nurnay]

You had good teams in St. Louis so you've felt some reward. I'm jealous. That's a fact.

No kidding. There were some really fun STL teams back in the day.

 

[CardShark]

That is such a load of crap. I expect that BS from a lot of the young guys on here, but come on buddy. You know better than that. ITS THE SAME TEAM. Are you saying that if the Cardinals picked up and moved to Oklahoma tommarrow you would find another team to root for? I think you know where I am headed with this, so I will just stop now before you serve me up a mean little private message w/ a three day ban on the side.

I would.

 

[Scot1]

I would think that the Ring could include both great past players and current "among-the-best" players without being stretched too far.

How could they think of excluding Andreas Williams--for a few years his name was just about synonymous with the Cards. On the other hand, as a late-comer to the Cards, I have only a bare idea of who Wehrli is--I have much stronger impressions of Jim Hart and Conrad Dobler, for instance.

Here's an interesting question: Should Jake Plummer be in the Circle? Not with the Cards a long time, and certainly with a mixed record of stats and success. But he helped get us to our only Arizona playoff games and only victory--over Dallas! He certainly provided excitement and hope.... I can sort of see it, maybe....

Remember this adage: Don't shoot the question-asker.

 

[Duckjake]

I would think that the Ring could include both great past players and current "among-the-best" players without being stretched too far.

How could they think of excluding Andreas Williams--for a few years his name was just about synonymous with the Cards. On the other hand, as a late-comer to the Cards, I have only a bare idea of who Wehrli is--I have much stronger impressions of Jim Hart and Conrad Dobler, for instance.

Here's an interesting question: Should Jake Plummer be in the Circle? Not with the Cards a long time, and certainly with a mixed record of stats and success. But he helped get us to our only Arizona playoff games and only victory--over Dallas! He certainly provided excitement and hope.... I can sort of see it, maybe....

List of QBs between Lomax and Plummer:

Tupa,Hogeboom,Rosenbach,Gelbaugh,Chandler,Beuerlein, Schroeder,Kreig,Graham and Esiason.

Boomer holds the franchise record for most passing yards in a single game at 522. Maybe the Cards should put him in the ring of honor.

 

[vinnymac]

List of QBs between Lomax and Plummer:

Tupa,Hogeboom,Rosenbach,Gelbaugh,Chandler,Beuerlein, Schroeder,Kreig,Graham and Esiason.

Boomer holds the franchise record for most passing yards in a single game at 522. Maybe the Cards should put him in the ring of honor.

you forgot the 85 bears qb. Brain fart on his name

 

[Mulli]

you forgot the 85 bears qb. Brain fart on his name

McMahon.

 

[Mulli]

Was DAve Brown before or during Plummer

 

[Zeno]

Was DAve Brown before or during Plummer

Before and during...he only started because of injuries though. Basically just a back-up here.

 

[vinnymac]

McMahon.

thank you

 

[Pariah]

McMahon.

That guy got a raw deal by that Packer defender...what was his name? Martin? ...McMahon's career would have been so much better if his shoulder had never been torn apart by that "hit."

 

[PortlandCardFan]

I think the RoH should be reserved for players that get drafted by and retire with the same team. Knowing this will be highly unlikely with FA and all it will keep the RoH numbers to a managable level.

I've been a

St. Louis Cardinal fan
Phoenix Cardinal fan
Arizona Cardinal fan

and because of all of the above I'm a Chicago Cardinal fan even though I wasn't born yet.

 

[kerouac9]

I think the RoH should be reserved for players that get drafted by and retire with the same team. Knowing this will be highly unlikely with FA and all it will keep the RoH numbers to a managable level.

I've been a

St. Louis Cardinal fan
Phoenix Cardinal fan
Arizona Cardinal fan

and because of all of the above I'm a Chicago Cardinal fan even though I wasn't born yet.

Really? So you don't think that Emmitt Smith should be inducted into the Dallas RoH? Or Joe Montana into the 49ers'? Or Jerry Rice?

I think that you should induct players who were a major part of greatness and identification with the franchise during a period of success. I think that's the argument for Aeneas Williams, who did take a dump on the franchise after he left, but was by far the best player on this team for a really long time.

 

[Mulli]

Really? So you don't think that Emmitt Smith should be inducted into the Dallas RoH? Or Joe Montana into the 49ers'? Or Jerry Rice?

I think that you should induct players who were a major part of greatness and identification with the franchise during a period of success. I think that's the argument for Aeneas Williams, who did take a dump on the franchise after he left, but was by far the best player on this team for a really long time.

But since Aeneas was not a major part of any greatness, he loses out.

 

[PortlandCardFan]

Really? So you don't think that Emmitt Smith should be inducted into the Dallas RoH? Or Joe Montana into the 49ers'? Or Jerry Rice?

I think that you should induct players who were a major part of greatness and identification with the franchise during a period of success. I think that's the argument for Aeneas Williams, who did take a dump on the franchise after he left, but was by far the best player on this team for a really long time.

Emmitt Smith was drafted by Dallas then signed a 1 day deal so he could retire as a cowboy.. Not sure about the others..

I understand your point and I agree to an extent. I guess what I meant to say was there should be some loyalty by the player to want to retire as a 49'er or Cowboy or Cardinal. Signing the 1 day deal works for me. I cannot recall if Aeneas retired as a Card. If he did then sure he is eligible, if not then no I don't want him in the Cardinal RoH no matter how good he.

 

[kerouac9]

Emmitt Smith was drafted by Dallas then signed a 1 day deal so he could retire as a cowboy.. Not sure about the others..

I understand your point and I agree to an extent. I guess what I meant to say was there should be some loyalty by the player to want to retire as a 49'er or Cowboy or Cardinal. Signing the 1 day deal works for me. I cannot recall if Aeneas retired as a Card. If he did then sure he is eligible, if not then no I don't want him in the Cardinal RoH no matter how good he.

Oh, I see what you were saying. I don't know if Aeneas has ever fired retirement papers with the League. I think he still wants to play.

 

[Duckjake]

you forgot the 85 bears qb. Brain fart on his name

McMahon only attempted 43 passes playing for the Cards. The guys I listed had at least 100 attempts in a season while playing for Arizona.

 

[Mulli]

In 118 attempts in 1991, Gelbaugh threw 10 interceptions. Ooof.

 

[vinnymac]

The play in Arizona has been so weak you'd be hard pressed to come up with a decent Arizona only "all-time" team (no players allowed who played in St.Louis). Most of the guys would be current players.

What about players who played in both St. Louis and Arizona.

QB Neil Lomax
LT Luis Sharpe
LB E.J. Junior
Just to name a few off my head.

 

[Zeno]

What about players who played in both St. Louis and Arizona.

QB Neil Lomax
LT Luis Sharpe
LB E.J. Junior
Just to name a few off my head.

I don't see Luis Sharpe getting recognized for his time in AZ considering all his off the field troubles.

 

[vinnymac]

I don't see Luis Sharpe getting recognized for his time in AZ considering all his off the field troubles.

Who do you recongize? Who is your all star team. I will have to go back and look at the roster from year past.

 

[cardsloco]

Really? So you don't think that Emmitt Smith should be inducted into the Dallas RoH? Or Joe Montana into the 49ers'? Or Jerry Rice?

I think that you should induct players who were a major part of greatness and identification with the franchise during a period of success. I think that's the argument for Aeneas Williams, who did take a dump on the franchise after he left, but was by far the best player on this team for a really long time.

Williams was one of the classiest players to play for this team. He was tough, worked hard, had talent, and was a true gentleman. When his first contract was up, he was one of the only players to re-up instead of running out of town. All you had to do was talk to the man to see what a great individual he was, it wasn't hard as he loved the fans and took the time to meet them. His parting words were only on the differences between his new team and the Cards, sometimes the truth hurts. When the time comes I think he does get into the Hall of Fame, first ballot, no, but eventually. The Cards know him well and it would surprise me greatly if they didn't put him in to the Ring of Honor someday.

 

[Duckjake]

Who do you recongize? Who is your all star team. I will have to go back and look at the roster from years past.

Toughest positions to fill were, you guessed it, Running Back, Offensive Line and CB opposite Williams.

here's what I had:

WR Boldin,Fitzgerald,JT Smith,Boston. (2 current players)
QB Plummer (Soon to be Leinart I hope)
RB Larry Centers, Garrison Hearst (?), Ron Moore (!) Johnny Johnson
LT Lomas Brown
LG ???????????
C Ed Cunningham or Bill Lewis
RG Duece Latui
RT Joe Wolf (?!?!)
TE Walter Reeves (see above) Freddie Jones (Both Awalt and Novacek played in St.Louis)

DE Michael Bankston
DT Eric Swann
DT Russell Davis
LB Jamir Miller
LB Eric Hill
LB Karlos Dansby
CB Aeneas Williams
CB ????????
S Tim McDonald
S Adrian Wilson

Not real pretty is it?