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am i the only one here who has noticed that bell has been taking guys off the dribble a little bit this year? he has looked good doing it, don't get me wrong, but i'm just a little surprised at it. his ball-handling skills looked pretty good tonight.
 

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Its not about "Suns still to find their game"... Suns are just slower... no one noticing that?

it takes more toll on their bodies to play at the higher pace, considering D'Antoni overplayed Nash the last 3 years...

And then you add Hill, who has been good. But at 35 you cant expect him to play that well throughout the season...

Amare?, he cant play full capacity either every game...


Bell?.... slower too...

Some of you guys simply need to stop assuming they will get better.... you have to factor in wear and tear and age on the team... yes the Suns are smarter, more polished together, but the way they play, which depends on speed and running... they can either play at full capacity and be worn the next game or slow a bit down and lose the matchup, since they play small but not so much faster.

Yes, it appears the other NBA teams have warmed up to the Suns running style and are using fresher, younger legs to beat the Suns. It also doesn't help that LB is possibly injured or just regressed. I fear the Suns Championship window has closed unless they can pull off some magical trade. The Suns appear too undersized to win a Championship now that other teams can play fast and big. The Suns need that extra boost of energy to overcome their lack of height which I don't think they have on the roster.
 

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Its not about "Suns still to find their game"... Suns are just slower... no one noticing that?

it takes more toll on their bodies to play at the higher pace, considering D'Antoni overplayed Nash the last 3 years...

And then you add Hill, who has been good. But at 35 you cant expect him to play that well throughout the season...

Amare?, he cant play full capacity either every game...

Bell?.... slower too...

Exactly. And particularly after the morderous pace of the GS game, you could see Hill was kind of feeling the aftermath, the toll, by missing badly on so many midrange jumpers early on.

Amare is not complete healthy or fit as evidenced in the still quite bad lateral mobility.

As to Bell, the coach must have said something to him. For a pleasant change, he started to actively looking for Amare on the offense and got productive outcome each time he did so. The offense on longer stagnates with him touching the ball. Never the less, his health is of concern and he should be benched in favor of LB who again played miserably on offense as the backup.

In any case, we played reasonably well considering the circumstances. The one thing which hurt us a lot was a stretch of continual 3 pts made by the players Nash was supposed to challenge. He has the tendency to stay too far from the 3pt shooters even though the opponents got hot. The same happened vs GS too. Well, he seemed to have adjusted in that area in the last quarter. Or maybe it's just because of the game being on the line he simply increased his defensive intensity.

Despite the loss, I'm pleased with Amare's game and how he got involved into the offense. Once he gets completely healthy and in condition, and Hill healthy too, we shall not have much problem to beat the Rockets in a 7 game series.

Well, Yao sucks! I know.:rolleyes:
 

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What I'm saying is that we don't need to see posts after every game, win or lose, that read something like "it won't work in the playoffs, we stink, no hope" and the like. I mean, when the team wins people post about how they won't win in the playoffs. When the team loses, people post about how they won't win in the playoffs. That's 82 games of the same stuff no matter what.

and when we win, you'll see some people say "see, this can win in the playoffs", and those same people will say "it's just one game! I'm not worried," when we lose. What's your point? Everyone says the same thing over and over again? No way! On a message board?! It's always 82 games of the same stuff BOTH WAYS no matter what.
 

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am i the only one here who has noticed that bell has been taking guys off the dribble a little bit this year? he has looked good doing it, don't get me wrong, but i'm just a little surprised at it. his ball-handling skills looked pretty good tonight.

Look closer, you'll see that the productivity of his dribbling was directly connected with interplay with Amare. It used to be that he always seemed to ignore Amare but neither could really penetrate on his own or find OTHER open teammates in good position to received a pass, with the result that the offense stagnated with him touching the ball. Amare set several good screens for him or offered himself open. And Bell could look brilliant if he just uses the opportunities as he did. And before his 3pt shots return, this might be the only way that he could be productive on the offense anyway.
 

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and when we win, you'll see some people say "see, this can win in the playoffs", and those same people will say "it's just one game! I'm not worried," when we lose. What's your point? Everyone says the same thing over and over again? No way! On a message board?! It's always 82 games of the same stuff BOTH WAYS no matter what.

OK, you're right. Maybe it's the constant "We suck" posts that frustrate me. The team doesn't suck.
 

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OK, you're right. Maybe it's the constant "We suck" posts that frustrate me. The team doesn't suck.

yeah, I don't think they suck. I just don't think that we have a legit title contender and THAT'S what "sucks".
 

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yeah, I don't think they suck. I just don't think that we have title asperations and THAT'S what "sucks".

Fair enough. I'll disagree, but you are entitled to your opinion and we're all suns fans here (except maybe pokerface and sunsman44). :)
 

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Seriously. It's ridiculous reading the reaction of a 2 game losing streak. Even the 95-96 Bulls had a 2 game losing streak at some point in their season. I can only imagine the reaction if we lose the next game and have, gulp, a 3 game losing streak!!!!!
 

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Seriously. It's ridiculous reading the reaction of a 2 game losing streak. Even the 95-96 Bulls had a 2 game losing streak at some point in their season. I can only imagine the reaction if we lose the next game and have, gulp, a 3 game losing streak!!!!!

you mean if we lose 3 straight against teams with a pulse after being relatively unimpressive in an 8 game win streak against woeful opponents for the most part? Yeah, shocker people are concerned.
 

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Seriously. It's ridiculous reading the reaction of a 2 game losing streak. Even the 95-96 Bulls had a 2 game losing streak at some point in their season. I can only imagine the reaction if we lose the next game and have, gulp, a 3 game losing streak!!!!!
It's a tough crowd when you've gone 30+ years without a title with so many good teams.
 

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you mean if we lose 3 straight against teams with a pulse after being relatively unimpressive in an 8 game win streak against woeful opponents for the most part? Yeah, shocker people are concerned.

There's a difference between concern and freaking out about how this team is too horrible to win a championship. We're not even out of the first month of the season for Christ's sake! Oh, and that win in Orlando? Guess that was unimpressive, eh?
 

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There's a difference between concern and freaking out about how this team is too horrible to win a championship. We're not even out of the first month of the season for Christ's sake! Oh, and that win in Orlando? Guess that was unimpressive, eh?

Nope, that was the lone impressive win of the season - it's why I said RELATIVELY unimpressive.

And no one's freaking out IMO. Most of us didn't they we had what it took before the season to really win the title this year and thus we're just continuing to state it. No one saying we're "horrible" - just not good enough to win a title. There's a difference.
 

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Nope, that was the lone impressive win of the season - it's why I said RELATIVELY unimpressive.

And no one's freaking out IMO. Most of us didn't they we had what it took before the season to really win the title this year and thus we're just continuing to state it. No one saying we're "horrible" - just not good enough to win a title. There's a difference.

Now you're just arguing semantics. If you don't win the championship, then you were too horrible to win the championship, yes? ;)
 

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It doesn't bother me at all if the Suns lose in the playoffs. Why should it? I am not a member of the team. I am a fan that likes to watch them play. The season is over when they lose their last game, or miss the playoffs. Now, if they start giving me Super Fan Points that I can cash in for something when they win, then that is a different thing altogether.
 

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Now you're just arguing semantics. If you don't win the championship, then you were too horrible to win the championship, yes? ;)

sure. whatever. I don't care enough about the team right now to really continue discussions like I normally would.
 

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It doesn't bother me at all if the Suns lose in the playoffs. Why should it? I am not a member of the team. I am a fan that likes to watch them play. The season is over when they lose their last game, or miss the playoffs. Now, if they start giving me Super Fan Points that I can cash in for something when they win, then that is a different thing altogether.

wth?
 

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It doesn't bother me at all if the Suns lose in the playoffs. Why should it? I am not a member of the team. I am a fan that likes to watch them play. The season is over when they lose their last game, or miss the playoffs. Now, if they start giving me Super Fan Points that I can cash in for something when they win, then that is a different thing altogether.

congrats. you're a different fan that I and probably most sports fans for that matter. And that's not a slam, I just don't know of many hard-core sports fans that don't feel anything after their team loses.
 

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Why should it bother me? I am assuming that is your question? If I really NEED a championship for my life to be complete, then I will become a Spurs fan. Not going to happen - ever. It just doesn't make sense that so many latch onto this "Championship or I will stop being a fan" crap. In my opinion. What does it matter? It is just 8 months of entertainment during the year. Nothing more. Nothing less.
 

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congrats. you're a different fan that I and probably most sports fans for that matter. And that's not a slam, I just don't know of many hard-core sports fans that don't feel anything after their team loses.
I didn't say that I don't get frustrated or that I "don't feel anything". I am just amazed at the vitriol that follows sports. Do people get this up in arms about movies or television programs? What is the difference, other than the "live" aspect? There is drama. It is fun to watch. But teams do not give dividends to fans other than pride upon winning it all, do they?

Again, would I like to see my favorite team win it all? Of course. Will it make me unhappy for longer than ten minutes if they bow out early? NO.
 

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I didn't say that I don't get frustrated or that I "don't feel anything". I am just amazed at the vitriol that follows sports. Do people get this up in arms about movies or television programs? What is the difference, other than the "live" aspect? There is drama. It is fun to watch. But teams do not give dividends to fans other than pride upon winning it all, do they?

Again, would I like to see my favorite team win it all? Of course. Will it make me unhappy for longer than ten minutes if they bow out early? NO.

well, again, I think that's great for you (I wish I could be that way... and sadly am right now), but I think that puts you in the overwhelming minority of sports fans.
 
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^^Well, I don't know about 10 minutes. Maybe a few days if it's a playoff exit, especially a controversial one like last season, but to me regular season losses don't sting for more than about 3-4 minutes.
 

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Why should it bother me? I am assuming that is your question? If I really NEED a championship for my life to be complete, then I will become a Spurs fan. Not going to happen - ever. It just doesn't make sense that so many latch onto this "Championship or I will stop being a fan" crap. In my opinion. What does it matter? It is just 8 months of entertainment during the year. Nothing more. Nothing less.
I've been "latching" on to hope of winning a championship for 20 years & i'm as much of a fan today as i was then. If we don't win a title this year, i'll continue on as a SUNS fan....& i'll also continue complaining about not getting one(title). Did anyone mention anything about discontinuing their fan loyalty if we don't get a title?:confused:
 

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