Rockets @ Suns 12-21-16

[Mainstreet]

Ulis with a careless turnover. Ugh.

 

[Ronin]

Cmon kinght


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[Mainstreet]

And just like that, Ulis is out of the game.

 

[Mainstreet]

No answer for Eric Gordon.

 

[Ronin]

Dudley misses the wide open corner three. Eric Gordon is on point with his three point shot.


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[Ronin]

48 points in the paint for the Suns.


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[Ronin]

Harden with back to back threes. Houston up by 20


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[Mainstreet]

Harden with 27 points and 14 assists.

 

[Mainstreet]

Eddie Johnson says the Rockets are a mirror image of what the Suns used to be. The memories are there.

The Suns should have played Bender when it mattered.

 

[Ronin]

Nice dunk by Booker


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[GatorAZ]

Eddie Johnson says the Rockets are a mirror image of what the Suns used to be. The memories are there.

The Suns should have played Bender when it mattered.

Except Harden is like Nash on steroids.

 

[Mainstreet]

Except Harden is like Nash on steroids.

No doubt Harden is what makes the Rockets so good. You have to have a PG to run DA's system. However, I think the Suns would be better if they run the ball. The Suns have the players to run a lesser version of it.

 

[Ronin]

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[JustWinBaby]

I expect that several of our players would thrive in Mike's system. Other than Harden I do not see any remarkable talent on that team. No one here wanted to pay for Anderson or Gordon and they were not on anyone's most wanted list.

IMO Mike's biggest impact happened when Dwight Howard left town. The guy that MDA could not coach has made the Lakers, Rockets and now the Hawks worse than they were prior to his arrival. I appears he is hurt again.

Imagine if lame brain Sarver could have added someone like Harrel to the roster when he was here. Everyone blames Mike for not using Steven Hunter, however he did. It was Sarver that balked at giving Hunter 3 Mil per year because that was too much for a non starter, so he went to Memphis. Steven was never the same.

Anyone that does not think Mike has done a remarkable job with the Rockets are out of their mind.

Our head coach again did not play Bender.

The great PJ Tucker held Harden to 27 and 14.

 

[Chaplin]

I expect that several of our players would thrive in Mike's system. Other than Harden I do not see any remarkable talent on that team. No one here wanted to pay for Anderson or Gordon and they were not on anyone's most wanted list.

That's simply not true.


Gordon was not on anyone's list because the guy is damaged goods and still is, even now. But there were plenty people here that were interested in Anderson.

 

[Hoop Head]

Anyone that does not think Mike has done a remarkable job with the Rockets are out of their mind.

I don't think he's doing a remarkable job at all. This is the first time since his tenure in Phoenix that he's been successful but if something happens to Harden that team will fall down the standings quickly. I think they'll regress more if Harden goes down than the Suns did when Nash would rest or miss games. Unlike Nash, Harden is who they depend on to lead them every night in scoring as well as finding his teammates. Come playoff time other teams will shut down Harden and that team won't go far. Considering they were a playoff team already, I can't see how anyone can say he's doing a remarkable job just 1/3 of the way into the season. Sure they'll finish with somewhere around 50 wins but I can't see them getting out of the first round, which is where they were before D'Antoni's arrival. They're just more fun to watch now.

 

[3rdside]

Kingdad:

Do you just post and not read what people respond to your previous post with?

It's a serious question because I took the time to respond to your last, very long, post comment by comment and I find myself doing it again purely out of frustration.

So could you please do us a favour and read your feedback going forward? Thanks. It's the basis of any rational discussion..

I don't think he's doing a remarkable job at all.

For the second time: He's taken a team from 17th to 3rd in less than one season, provided a system that has pumped Harden's assist average to >6 above his career average meaning he's in the running to be MVP. Houston are genuine title contenders this year in DA's first season.

Do you think this is luck or a fluke? Or is it Harden? If it is just Harden and nothing to do with MDA, then what has Harden done differently to last year when he couldn't get his team into the playoffs?

This is the first time since his tenure in Phoenix that he's been successful

Did you not read the evidence the board provided over and over again to show that there were decent probable mitigating circumstances in LA and NYC?

Conclusion: d'Antoni does well in certain situations i.e. has a playmaker at PG (he had one in Lin in NYC but Carmelo got small man syndrome over it) and no egos (i.e. Kobe and Carmelo) who resist buying into his system.

By all means provide counter arguments and we''ll listen.

but if something happens to Harden that team will fall down the standings quickly.

Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James...really not sure what you're getting at.

Come playoff time other teams will shut down Harden and that team won't go far.

Do you have a crystal ball because you seem to like making bold predictions that you can't prove? Again, it's Harden's first season under MDA / MDA's first season with Harden.

I suppose if you said "My guess is they'll shut Harden down" I could by into that but to say it the way you do....you sound like a fortune teller, and no one likes fortune tellers especially when the evidence is stacked against them.

Considering they were a playoff team already,

They finished 17th last year (for the second time).

I can't see how anyone can say he's doing a remarkable job just 1/3 of the way into the season.

It's > 1/3 (37%), that's a decent enough sample size.

Sure they'll finish with somewhere around 50 wins

They're on track to win 60.

but I can't see them getting out of the first round, which is where they were before D'Antoni's arrival. They're just more fun to watch now.

That's your opinion, great, by all means have one, but acknowledging a poster's arguments and then providing evidence against those (as I have done you the courtesy multiple times) is a great way to argue rather than just trotting out MDA cliches that were probably absorbed by you reading the anti-MDA posters on this board over the years.

And there is nothing wrong with having a good, fun team to watch (and there's a probable correlation between the two) - we have neither, sadly.

I think i'm concluding also I have too much time on my hands - this is the last time Kingdad!

 

[slinslin]

Our head coach again did not play Bender.

The great PJ Tucker held Harden to 27 and 14.

Why would he play Bender? Bender is obviously not ready to play more minutes than he does right now.

Bender is shooting 35% from the field, has not made a single free throw so far this season and is averaging about 4 rebounds per 30 minutes.

Bender has made only 4 of his last 18 shots.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

3rdside +1000

Id take a playoff bound team every year with a chance rather of what we've suffered with 6+ years.

 

[3rdside]

Why would he play Bender? Bender is obviously not ready to play more minutes than he does right now.

Bender is shooting 35% from the field, has not made a single free throw so far this season and is averaging about 4 rebounds per 30 minutes.

Bender has made only 4 of his last 18 shots.

You want to lose more with Bender or continue to lose but lose less (in a loaded draft) with Tucker?

And I'd guess and say that if you're playing 2 minutes a night only, you're not going to build up any shooting rhythm.

The problem with Watson and McD is, like last season, they're thinking "we're only 4 games out of the playoffs" whereas the realists among us are saying we suck, play the rookies so we can lose more so we can get a good draft pick.

It's not hard to see who's right (hint - it's not team management).

Anyway, my gut feel is that Tucker is nailed on for a transfer this coming trade period so maybe it's okay that Tucker plays for now.

 

[slinslin]

I am all for playing young guys, but Bender is simply not ready to play. It does not do him any good to pay him 24mpg when he has trouble shooting 30% even and overall struggling.

 

[3rdside]

agreed on that - somewhere between 2 and 24, around about 15, and i'm good.

 

[Mainstreet]

Why would he play Bender? Bender is obviously not ready to play more minutes than he does right now.

Bender is shooting 35% from the field, has not made a single free throw so far this season and is averaging about 4 rebounds per 30 minutes.

Bender has made only 4 of his last 18 shots.

I think one thing we can agree upon is Bender should be playing, if not with the Suns, he should be playing with their D-League team.

 

[slinslin]

if he has trouble handling the physical aspects of the NBA guy, I am not sure the Dleague is the right place for a lanky weak 7 footer.

 

[Mainstreet]

if he has trouble handling the physical aspects of the NBA guy, I am not sure the Dleague is the right place for a lanky weak 7 footer.

Bender needs to be playing. I understand Bender has put on 6-7 pounds of muscle.

I hope this is not a Chriss comparison because Chriss is far more advanced. I can see Bender taking Dudley's minutes.