Rumor: Rosen says no to Cleveland

[Jay Cardinal]

Let's not snicker too loud at the reports/rumors about players/top QBs not wanting to go to the Browns.

Wonder how many top prospects at the Combine have hopes that the Cards won't come knocking draft day?

If you are a top WR, would you want to go to an organization that doesn't have a single QB on the roster going into the Combine? 'None' will be throwing you the ball.

If you are a top QB, would you want to go to an organization with one solid WR and a whole lot of question marks along the OL and rest of the receivers (WR & TE)?

Would you want to go to a team that has a brand new coaching staff (the HC has one year as a D-coordinator) and you don't even know the scheme/playbook?

Would you want to relocate to a place where you can suffer heat exhaustion by walking to your car 6 months out of the year (not really---but desert living is not for everyone.)

Wonder how many players have 'Cards' circled on their dance card as the place they really want to go? The last guy who really wanted to play for the Cards that I can recall is Scooby Wright, the ILB who is hanging on as a special teams player.

No snickering about the Browns 'cause we may not be far behind.

I don't know if I would compare going to AZ in the fall/winter to learn under HOF-player Larry Fitz to a QB comparable to going to Cleveland in the fall/winter. I just can't make the connection in my head.

 

[Zeno]

I don't know if I would compare going to AZ in the fall/winter to learn under HOF-player Larry Fitz to a QB comparable to going to Cleveland in the fall/winter. I just can't make the connection in my head.

Also as bad as the Cardinals have been I don't think there is any point in their history they won just 1 of 32 possible games (or 4 of 48)...I can easily see why nobody would want to be in Cleveland unless they are outpaying everyone else

 

[GimmedaBall]

Of course players have preferred destinations come draft time.

Top 5 teams players do not want to play for (from 2017. Some surprise choices—Cards didn’t make the list)
https://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/5...o-join-even-for-twice-the-pay.html/?a=viewall

(From 2014):
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/08/worst-nfl-teams-to-play-for-espn-poll-oakland-raiders

Why free-agents don’t want to play in a given city (2013 sarcasm directed at every team ):
https://www.sbnation.com/2013/2/26/4029796/2013-nfl-free-agency-teams
“The Cardinals play in a county run by a crazed elderly man that's constantly verging on the edge of chaos. If there were a zombie outbreak in Phoenix, nothing would change because that's just how things go there.” Reference to Sheriff Joe.

Which NFL coach do you prefer to play for?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...draft-prospects-which-nfl-coach-do-you-prefer

Some with a preference for the Falcons:

http://thefalconswire.usatoday.com/2017/02/16/nfl-draft-prospects-prefer-to-play-for-falcons/

Mayfield prefers Miami:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/new...iami-dolphins-pick/12gvsjw2ll4td1vqz5b9cni9l4

We got the best grass (playing field that is):
http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-nfl-ask-farmer-20171111-story.html

Some big-name players (all sports) who did not want to play for the team that drafted them:
https://www.thesportster.com/entert...fused-to-play-for-the-team-that-drafted-them/

 

[Solar7]

Also add me to the camp that doesn't see the Cardinals as a lesser destination than Cleveland. Players come out to AZ in droves to train, so the weather is preferable... and that's fully independent on the overall state of our facilities and culture. We're a team with a great stadium, new weight room, a practice bubble to stay out of the heat, we've been at least relatively successful in recent years and have good organizational leadership, plus respected and well-known players that have been in the league for a long time.

All of that is better than an icy cold playing environment for a team that has won one game in two years with a lame duck coach and staff.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Namath did not want us and we see how that turned out... yes, draft him

Namath never played for the Cards...lol Are you saying Draft Rosen, so he can hold out and sign with the XFL?

 

[Jetstream Green]

Namath never played for the Cards...lol Are you saying Draft Rosen, so he can hold out and sign with the XFL?

Sorry, thought that was self explanatory that it then worked out for the Jets... you know, a comparison since we are not Cleveland and Rosen's current stance of who he does not want to draft him

 

[BW52]

Hell i don`t blame him.Who wants to go to Ohio anyway.

 

[Zeno]

2018 NFL Draft Rumors: Cleveland Browns aren’t high on any QB

https://withthefirstpick.com/2018/02/26/2018-nfl-draft-rumors-cleveland-browns-enamored-qb/

Could they go Barkley and then trade down getting more picks and going quantity over quality?

 

[GimmedaBall]

2018 NFL Draft Rumors: Cleveland Browns aren’t high on any QB

https://withthefirstpick.com/2018/02/26/2018-nfl-draft-rumors-cleveland-browns-enamored-qb/

Could they go Barkley and then trade down getting more picks and going quantity over quality?

I think Barkley is the best player in the draft even at RB with the short shelf-life. It would not be a bad move to get him at #1

Browns have the cap money to make a competitive bid for Cousins. They love to hoard picks and could easily trade down from their top picks and get a boatload of more picks in this and next year's draft to Scrooge over.

Maybe they should draft QBs with both their top picks and sort things out in training camp. They'd get a taker for the guy they don't want---and another 1st round pick for next year.

 

[oaken1]

2018 NFL Draft Rumors: Cleveland Browns aren’t high on any QB

https://withthefirstpick.com/2018/02/26/2018-nfl-draft-rumors-cleveland-browns-enamored-qb/

Could they go Barkley and then trade down getting more picks and going quantity over quality?

Joe Thomas is going to retire soon... they need a new franchise LT... they could get that and Barkley with the picks they have right now... and with 100mil in cap space... they will get a QB...maybe not Cousins, maybe not McCarron,... but maybe a guy like Keenum... who has the benefits of being fairly young and also being able to mentor Kizer for them.

They could also trade #1 to a QB hungry team and get their LT at 4 and a RB with the pick they traded for... they have lots of options to improve their team this off season and most of them dont involve drafting a QB in the first round

 

[Chris_Sanders]

You are likely looking at a 10 year window for how organizations are viewed by college athletes. This is basically their memories of their current life.

Cards are 86 - 73 - 1 in that time frame with 4 playoff appearances, 1 Superbowl Appearance, and 1 conference championship appearance.

The Browns record in the same time frame is 48-128 with zero playoff appearances.

Only people who are over I would say 40 see the Browns and Cardinals on the same tier.

 

[Solar7]

2018 NFL Draft Rumors: Cleveland Browns aren’t high on any QB

https://withthefirstpick.com/2018/02/26/2018-nfl-draft-rumors-cleveland-browns-enamored-qb/

Could they go Barkley and then trade down getting more picks and going quantity over quality?

I'm not a fan of the sources here, but I guess. This strikes me as the most idiotic move the Browns can make.

Although, honestly if I think it over, would it be that out of the question for the Browns to go 1 & 2, or 1 & 3? Similar to the situation with the Bears last year, Cleveland (who has a glut of picks), could say to the Giants, "listen, we want Barkley and Darnold, you take our 3rd rounder, move back two spots, and still grab Rosen while we make sure you don't trade back 4 spots and give up Darnold to the Jets."

Ultimately, that's going to depend on all of these upcoming workouts though. This team desperately needs to not select the 3rd, 4th, or 5th best QB in the draft, it needs to call its shot and take the best of the QBs at #1.

 

[GimmedaBall]

Also add me to the camp that doesn't see the Cardinals as a lesser destination than Cleveland. Players come out to AZ in droves to train, so the weather is preferable... and that's fully independent on the overall state of our facilities and culture. We're a team with a great stadium, new weight room, a practice bubble to stay out of the heat, we've been at least relatively successful in recent years and have good organizational leadership, plus respected and well-known players that have been in the league for a long time.

All of that is better than an icy cold playing environment for a team that has won one game in two years with a lame duck coach and staff.

Who said that the Cardinals are a lesser destination than Cleveland??? I don't see that statement in this thread.

In my post questioning how many players have the Cards as a desired destination I ended by saying "No snickering about the Browns 'cause we may not be far behind."

The are lots of reasons why a player would hope for one team over the other to be the one to select them come draft day---the Cards are in that mix of teams. Some may prefer the Cards, some may not.

 

[Solar7]

Who said that the Cardinals are a lesser destination than Cleveland??? I don't see that statement in this thread.

In my post questioning how many players have the Cards as a desired destination I ended by saying "No snickering about the Browns 'cause we may not be far behind."

The are lots of reasons why a player would hope for one team over the other to be the one to select them come draft day---the Cards are in that mix of teams. Some may prefer the Cards, some may not.

Okay, sure, but that can be said for every single team. There isn't a single team in the league that every player is going to prefer to every other one.

I don't think there's any player drafted this year that is going to be kicking and screaming in anger to come here, unlike the days of Thomas Jones and Wendell Bryant.

 

[NJCardFan]

C'mon. He has the chance to be the best Jewish athlete since Sandy Koufax!

What was Mark Spitz, chopped liver?

 

[NJCardFan]

Namath did not want us and we see how that turned out... yes, draft him

It's not that Namath didn't want to be a Cardinal. It's that the Jets offered him an insane contract(for 1965) and there was no way the Bidwills or anyone was going to match that.

 

[Gandhi]

Michael Silver
@MikeSilver

Ex-UCLA QB Josh Rosen told me last week, ‘I’ve never said anything about not wanting to play in Cleveland. I don’t know where that came from. There's absolutely no foundation in reality in that (report).’

It’s obviously easy to say now but I have never believed those reports. I mean, it has to be the first thing any agent would warn a draft prospect against doing. Do not speak ill of any team. Even though all these prospect for sure have preferences as to who they would like to play for the most, which city they want to live in and so on, never say anything in that regard before being drafted. Every team will see that as a negative. Obviously, Rosen is kind of a controversial and charismatic person, but he is not stupid. In fact, from everything I have read about him he is basically a genius.

 

[oaken1]

It's not that Namath didn't want to be a Cardinal. It's that the Jets offered him an insane contract(for 1965) and there was no way the Bidwills or anyone was going to match that.

actually...rumor has it the redbirds were trying to force him to do a radio show as part of his contract and he just didnt want to do it... at least thats the way I heard it... so Namath bailed to the AFL instead

 

[GimmedaBall]

It's not that Namath didn't want to be a Cardinal. It's that the Jets offered him an insane contract(for 1965) and there was no way the Bidwills or anyone was going to match that.

St. Louis circa 1965 was a small mid-western city in the midst of a downtown rebuild (Arch, Interstate, downtown ballpark). The city itself was dying with crumbling offices and the urban flight and shopping mall construction. Compared to NY, it was (and still is) the armpit of the nation.

No way did Namath want to go to St. Louis. There's a reason he got the tag of 'Broadway Joe'---no where near the glamour of being called 'Gaslight Square Joe.'

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/joe-namath/article_8012b402-d870-5f3a-85fe-cbf4d6be3460.html

He dropped to the Cards at #12 because of his bad knee and the other NFL teams shied away. When the New York Titans (later Jets) offered him $400,000-475,000 he jumped at the chance. That was back when players had a choice of where they wanted to play right out of college.

Namath's huge contract for the time was one thing that prompted the old NFL owners to reconcile with the start-up AFL league and combine into the current NFL with the NFC and AFC conferences. All the owners saw the handwriting on the contract and what it meant to have players free to negotiate between two separate pro leagues. The merger went down in 1966 with a 4 year grace period until the combined NFL began play.

Wikipedia has a good write up:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFL–NFL_merger

(Note how Lamar Hunt wanted to buy the Chicago Cards and move them to Dallas---we could now be the Cowpies!)

Also, the media coverage Namath got propelled him into the HOF. Without doubt, he is the single most undeserving QB ever inducted---maybe the single most undeserving player. Imagine Nick Foles putting up a below .500 career record and throwing 47 more Ints over TDs but going into the HOF on his win in the SB. It shows the power of winning one SB in the media capital of the sports world. He continues to be a darling of NY and shows up drunk on national broadcasts and is cheered for the effort.

(I know there are plenty of articles written that argue for Joe Namath---all written by NY media). LOL

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/08/pro...me-who-doesnt-belong-worst-troy-aikman-canton

 

[oaken1]

St. Louis circa 1965 was a small mid-western city in the midst of a downtown rebuild (Arch, Interstate, downtown ballpark). The city itself was dying with crumbling offices and the urban flight and shopping mall construction. Compared to NY, it was (and still is) the armpit of the nation.

No way did Namath want to go to St. Louis. There's a reason he got the tag of 'Broadway Joe'---no where near the glamour of being called 'Gaslight Square Joe.'

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/joe-namath/article_8012b402-d870-5f3a-85fe-cbf4d6be3460.html

He dropped to the Cards at #12 because of his bad knee and the other NFL teams shied away. When the New York Titans (later Jets) offered him $400,000-475,000 he jumped at the chance. That was back when players had a choice of where they wanted to play right out of college.

Namath's huge contract for the time was one thing that prompted the old NFL owners to reconcile with the start-up AFL league and combine into the current NFL with the NFC and AFC conferences. All the owners saw the handwriting on the contract and what it meant to have players free to negotiate between two separate pro leagues. The merger went down in 1966 with a 4 year grace period until the combined NFL began play.

Wikipedia has a good write up:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFL–NFL_merger

(Note how Lamar Hunt wanted to buy the Chicago Cards and move them to Dallas---we could now be the Cowpies!)

Also, the media coverage Namath got propelled him into the HOF. Without doubt, he is the single most undeserving QB ever inducted---maybe the single most undeserving player. Imagine Nick Foles putting up a below .500 career record and throwing 47 more Ints over TDs but going into the HOF on his win in the SB. It shows the power of winning one SB in the media capital of the sports world. He continues to be a darling of NY and shows up drunk on national broadcasts and is cheered for the effort.

(I know there are plenty of articles written that argue for Joe Namath---all written by NY media). LOL

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/08/pro...me-who-doesnt-belong-worst-troy-aikman-canton

the Cardinals were actually willing to pay him more... when he came out of alabama he was wanting 200k a year...which was unheard of at the time... he signed with NYJ for 475k over three years but the Cardinals were actually willing to pay him the 200k he wanted...which would have been three years at 600k.

Namath got into canton not so much due to his play but due to what he did for the league(s)... it was basically the "last straw" in the AFL/NFL competition for players...since the AFL managed to get a TV contract they finally had the financial resources to compete with the NFL for top players.... Broadway Joe personified and realized that fact... which is what lead to the NFL and AFL becoming NFC and AFC in the NFL overall.

 

[NJCardFan]

the Cardinals were actually willing to pay him more... when he came out of alabama he was wanting 200k a year...which was unheard of at the time... he signed with NYJ for 475k over three years but the Cardinals were actually willing to pay him the 200k he wanted...which would have been three years at 600k.

Namath got into canton not so much due to his play but due to what he did for the league(s)... it was basically the "last straw" in the AFL/NFL competition for players...since the AFL managed to get a TV contract they finally had the financial resources to compete with the NFL for top players.... Broadway Joe personified and realized that fact... which is what lead to the NFL and AFL becoming NFC and AFC in the NFL overall.

Ah, but were the Cards throwing in a Cadillac?

 

[NJCardFan]

actually...rumor has it the redbirds were trying to force him to do a radio show as part of his contract and he just didnt want to do it... at least thats the way I heard it... so Namath bailed to the AFL instead

I've been watching documentaries on the history of the AFL on Youtube and I didn't hear that mentioned.

 

[oaken1]

Ah, but were the Cards throwing in a Cadillac?

I think he wanted a Lincoln Continental Convertible didnt he?

 

[Chopper0080]

I would say "yes" to Rosen

 

[NJCardFan]

I think he wanted a Lincoln Continental Convertible didnt he?

I thought Abner Haynes wanted the Lincoln?