Rumor: Rosen says no to Cleveland

[cardncubfan]

I would say "yes" to Rosen

I just don't think he has the commitment to football.

 

[Chopper0080]

I just don't think he has the commitment to football.

That is the concern. I believe it is overblown, but we will know for sure in a couple years. Hard to make an educated guess with the info we have at this point. Combine interviews are big for him.

 

[GimmedaBall]

I've been watching documentaries on the history of the AFL on Youtube and I didn't hear that mentioned.

Find any favorites to link to---save me the trouble of watching them all!

 

[NJCardFan]

Find any favorites to link to---save me the trouble of watching them all!

This is a good one:

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And this one was a series on Showtime. Here's the first episode:

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[TRW]

Somehow if Rosen falls, which he won't, the Cards should sprint to the microphone immediately.

As for Namath, I will always believe that Morall and Shula were bought and lost that SB. Shula starts Johnny U and Namath is never heard of again. I know, I know, a "get off my lawn" old man sentiment. But, I remember Bubba Smith alluding to it and got shut up pretty quick (and, no, I have no link). LOL

Flame away

Oh wait...

http://www.ibtimes.com/bubba-smith-always-alleged-69-super-bowl-was-fixed-823441

 

[oaken1]

Somehow if Rosen falls, which he won't, the Cards should sprint to the microphone immediately.

As for Namath, I will always believe that Morall and Shula were bought and lost that SB. Shula starts Johnny U and Namath is never heard of again. I know, I know, a "get off my lawn" old man sentiment. But, I remember Bubba Smith alluding to it and got shut up pretty quick (and, no, I have no link). LOL

Flame away

Oh wait...

http://www.ibtimes.com/bubba-smith-always-alleged-69-super-bowl-was-fixed-823441

I dont think 69 was the only one... just look at the hags Vs the Steelers.... everybody wanted the Bus to get a trophy before he retired... the ref bias was clear from the opening kick... hate the hags all ya want but they beat the steelers up and down the field that day... but Bus got his ring

 

[Jetstream Green]

If Rosen is there at fifteen and we do not take him, the Cardinals have some issues at evaluating talent at the QB position. I want Mayfield or Jackson because Rosen does not appear to be a option in light of where we are drafting

 

[WisconsinCard]

I dont think 69 was the only one... just look at the hags Vs the Steelers.... everybody wanted the Bus to get a trophy before he retired... the ref bias was clear from the opening kick... hate the hags all ya want but they beat the steelers up and down the field that day... but Bus got his ring

Crazy conspiracy talk...

No love for Larry then? Why didn't they fix the game for us I mean the Steelers got their ("freebee") so why then did the NFL not step up for us?

 

[Jetstream Green]

Crazy conspiracy talk...

No love for Larry then? Why didn't they fix the game for us I mean the Steelers got their ("freebee") so why then did the NFL not step up for us?

It does not get crazy when a quarterback is called for holding while trying to tackle a guy after an interception lol

 

[NJCardFan]

I dont think 69 was the only one... just look at the hags Vs the Steelers.... everybody wanted the Bus to get a trophy before he retired... the ref bias was clear from the opening kick... hate the hags all ya want but they beat the steelers up and down the field that day... but Bus got his ring

Don't forget the phantom calls that wiped out big Seahawk gains and a TD and the touchdown that Ben still hasn't scored.

 

[Garthshort]

Seems to me that it's a no-brainer, that the Browns should take Barkley at #1, and then a QB at #4, unless they think that one of the Top Four QB's, is way better than the others. But most of the "experts" seem to be all over the place as to which QB is the best.

 

[az jam]

Seems to me that it's a no-brainer, that the Browns should take Barkley at #1, and then a QB at #4, unless they think that one of the Top Four QB's, is way better than the others. But most of the "experts" seem to be all over the place as to which QB is the best.

Makes sense because I don't think Barkley will be there at #4.

 

[Gandhi]

I just don't think he has the commitment to football.

That’s the million-dollar question, like Chopper wrote, and I definitely understand your point, CardnCubfan. His family apparently has a lot of wealth, so he doesn’t need to play football from that standpoint, and in some ways, he has, as far as I know, not really had that much adversity in his life so far. In that regard he might remind you a bit of Matt Barkley. Another thing is, and I am not kidding you, that teams are often wary and kind of suspicious when prospects are as intelligent as Rosen are, and have as many opinions about various things as Rosen has. This is because it could potentially lead to him wanting to pursue a different career in the foreseeable future, and thus the high draft pick essentially being wasted. I am not saying it’s a red flag, but it is something teams are a bit afraid of and cares about.

Personally, I like Rosen. I like that he dares to voice his opinions, and I like that he dares to bring up controversial topics. I think it’s cool that he stands up for what he believes in. I think that way too many quarterbacks are saying all the right things but at the same time are basically lying to not get into a media storm, throw anyone under the bus or something like that. I think they are in some ways being managed by their team’s coaches and their team’s media department. Maybe Rosen will be like that in a couple of years, but at least for now I kind of like that he’s not afraid of repercussions from the outside world. That said, your question about his desire and commitment to be great is a very real and relevant doubt. I have a lot of reading up to do myself to form an opinion on what I think about that aspect with him.

By the way, both Steve Keim and Bruce Arians specifically mentioned Robert Nkemdiche’s charismatic personality as a reason why they liked him so much coming out. If Arians was still with the team, I would tend to think they would lean towards Rosen out of the four big quarterback prospects. Maybe the situation has changed.

 

[CardsFan88]

Seems to me that it's a no-brainer, that the Browns should take Barkley at #1, and then a QB at #4, unless they think that one of the Top Four QB's, is way better than the others. But most of the "experts" seem to be all over the place as to which QB is the best.

True, but if they pass on ANOTHER stud QB and select a bum, the new regime is going to look like Sashi Brown to the Browns fans. Especially if they trade one of their picks.

If they do value one QB decently above the others they may not want to play with fire. They already have some decent rb's. RB's grow on trees. QB's don't. They aren't going anywhere without a QB. Drafting a RB #1 when you NEED a QB is a recipe for disaster for a new GM.

Of course they could maybe draft SB and no one takes a QB until they do at 4. It's a risk.

 

[Solar7]

True, but if they pass on ANOTHER stud QB and select a bum, the new regime is going to look like Sashi Brown to the Browns fans. Especially if they trade one of their picks.

If they do value one QB decently above the others they may not want to play with fire. They already have some decent rb's. RB's grow on trees. QB's don't. They aren't going anywhere without a QB. Drafting a RB #1 when you NEED a QB is a recipe for disaster for a new GM.

Of course they could maybe draft SB and no one takes a QB until they do at 4. It's a risk.

This. So much this.

Just passively waiting and saying "eh we'll let the other teams make our decision for us" is a death knell for that franchise.

 

[Arz101]

The more I hear and see Rosen, more parallels to Carson Palmer, no?

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[oaken1]

This. So much this.

Just passively waiting and saying "eh we'll let the other teams make our decision for us" is a death knell for that franchise.

nah.. all they have to do is like three QB's at most... but rumors are getting stronger that the Giants want Saquon at 2.... its kinda "we can win another SB with Eli if we support him " Versus "Eli is washed and we need to start rebuilding" type philosophy......also, appparently Indy also wants him at 3....

If the Browns like Baker Matfield or Josh Allen... then they absolutely should select Barkley at #1.... Barkley is a generational talent at RB who is virtually flawless...

all they risk missing on is maybe one prospect...at #2... Indy aint gonna draft a QB, with Barkley off the board the Giants might, probably will.

many might call it a stroke of brilliance for the Browns... rather than getting all jazzed up and jumping on a QB at 1 in a QB rich draft,... grab a guy who can be the face of the franchise, touch the ball 35 times a game from day one, and help whichever QB you draft more than any other player in the draft..... then draft your QB three picks later while only risking the slightest of possibilities that the guy you want most is gone....all while getting solid draft value with both picks....whereas the dropoff from Barkley to the next best RB (Guice?) is much further than the drop off between QB's... the biggest difference in the top QB's is simply...what style do you prefer?

 

[Zeno]

nah.. all they have to do is like three QB's at most... but rumors are getting stronger that the Giants want Saquon at 2.... its kinda "we can win another SB with Eli if we support him " Versus "Eli is washed and we need to start rebuilding" type philosophy......also, appparently Indy also wants him at 3....

If the Browns like Baker Matfield or Josh Allen... then they absolutely should select Barkley at #1.... Barkley is a generational talent at RB who is virtually flawless...

all they risk missing on is maybe one prospect...at #2... Indy aint gonna draft a QB, with Barkley off the board the Giants might, probably will.

many might call it a stroke of brilliance for the Browns... rather than getting all jazzed up and jumping on a QB at 1 in a QB rich draft,... grab a guy who can be the face of the franchise, touch the ball 35 times a game from day one, and help whichever QB you draft more than any other player in the draft..... then draft your QB three picks later while only risking the slightest of possibilities that the guy you want most is gone....all while getting solid draft value with both picks....whereas the dropoff from Barkley to the next best RB (Guice?) is much further than the drop off between QB's... the biggest difference in the top QB's is simply...what style do you prefer?

I can’t like this post enough, everything you said was spot on. There is also talk that #2 on the Giants board is Nelson and not a QB, if that is the case (barring no trades) they would still get their #1 QB choice at 4.

 

[Solar7]

nah.. all they have to do is like three QB's at most... but rumors are getting stronger that the Giants want Saquon at 2.... its kinda "we can win another SB with Eli if we support him " Versus "Eli is washed and we need to start rebuilding" type philosophy......also, appparently Indy also wants him at 3....

If the Browns like Baker Matfield or Josh Allen... then they absolutely should select Barkley at #1.... Barkley is a generational talent at RB who is virtually flawless...

all they risk missing on is maybe one prospect...at #2... Indy aint gonna draft a QB, with Barkley off the board the Giants might, probably will.

many might call it a stroke of brilliance for the Browns... rather than getting all jazzed up and jumping on a QB at 1 in a QB rich draft,... grab a guy who can be the face of the franchise, touch the ball 35 times a game from day one, and help whichever QB you draft more than any other player in the draft..... then draft your QB three picks later while only risking the slightest of possibilities that the guy you want most is gone....all while getting solid draft value with both picks....whereas the dropoff from Barkley to the next best RB (Guice?) is much further than the drop off between QB's... the biggest difference in the top QB's is simply...what style do you prefer?

Aren't you the exact same guy saying the Cardinals should blow three years of first rounders to move up and get Darnold, or at least identify "our guy" and go get him? Why shouldn't the Browns do it and we should?

They need to get their hands dirty, do their due diligence on all 4 of these guys, and pick the one that best suits their organization and will for years to come.

 

[GatorAZ]

The more I hear and see Rosen, more parallels to Carson Palmer, no?

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Palmer was more talented. Better arm and feet. He ran a 4.65 at 234 lbs.

They both throw a great ball...

 

[oaken1]

Aren't you the exact same guy saying the Cardinals should blow three years of first rounders to move up and get Darnold, or at least identify "our guy" and go get him? Why shouldn't the Browns do it and we should?

They need to get their hands dirty, do their due diligence on all 4 of these guys, and pick the one that best suits their organization and will for years to come.

because the Browns have two top four picks and we do not.

if we were in their position I would snatch Barkley at #1... he is hands down the best player in the draft....even with DJ on the roster I would pick Barkley.
due to weather and playing conditions many "experts" think the Browns will be looking at a big QB, like Rothlisberger... because thats what is need to play in the wind and rain that they always have to deal with out there playing outdoors.... that likely makes Darnold or Allen high prospects...Darnold as favorite I would guess..... would the Giants draft Darnold?? Maybe... but word out of Indy says they are looking closest at Barkley and Quentin Nelson.... both players who fit the Giants historic mold of tough hard nosed ground and pound offense, blue collar guys who go to work and play hard... so if the Browns pick Barkley at 1,... it is maybe 50/50 that the Giants pick Sam Darnold at 2... they may well grab nelson...or even Josh Rosen who everyone has been mocking to them for weeks anyway.

The colts aint gonna draft a QB... but they would snatch Barkley in a blink. If Barkley is off the board they will draft a lineman...offense or defense doesnt matter since they need them both... Maybe Chubb

... so,... the big "risk" is that NY might draft Darnold.... but they might not, they may draft a lineman, they may draft Rosen... they may panic just a bit that Barkley is gone and grab Guice to make sure they get a top RB

The difference in this QB class and classes of the past is their are several really good QB's... who a team has selected as the top QB is more a matter of "style of play" than QB skills... if you want a guy to start tomorrow,...Josh Rosen is your guy... but if you want a guy to develop and be a pro bowler for a decade, Sam darnold is a better choice, if you want mobility Jackson and Mayfield are better choices...traditional pocket QB's with escapability and playmaking skills has teams looking at Darnold and Allen... lots of options, but who is a clear cut best of the bunch depends greatly on what team is picking.

Hell, if they are dead set on a specific QB... they have tons of picks... they could toss NY a second and a third to swap to fourth... then they can pick 1-2

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

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