Rumor-Vince Young scores 6 on Wonderlic Test

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Very relevant so I thought I would post it here as well:

On ESPN radio this AM they stated it was a combination of things as to why VY will most likely drop. They stated there are many personell people in the NFL that are not happy with the fact he elected not to compete in the combine drills. Apparently Maycock(the only US media member invited to the combine) or whatever his name is says rumor is that VY hasnt been overly impressive in his interviews with coaches while at the combine either.

There are many more NFL people who are questioning the system he ran in TX where he was used out of a shotgun 95% of time and they are scared off bythe fact that Mack Brown mad the comment that "as soon as we stopped coaching the kid simplified things and just let him use his athleicism he did really well" apparently that would go over like a lead brick in the NFL.

Im sure the rumors about the wonderlich arent helping.
 

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How is he any different than all the other guys who didn't participate in the Combine? It's not like he was the only one. I doubt anyone cares that Leinart didn't do anything.
 

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Ed Burmila said:
How is he any different than all the other guys who didn't participate in the Combine? It's not like he was the only one. I doubt anyone cares that Leinart didn't do anything.

Leinart ran a pro style Offense, took the ball from under center like a normal QB does and has no questions in regards to his mechanics or intelligence.
 

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Leinart >>>>> Young.

The question is this, is Cutler >>> Young? I say yes.

Leinart >>> Cutler


Leinart is NFL ready, right now. I wish we were in a position to get this guy, have him learn under Kurt Warner for a year or a year and a half, and then have a superstar under center for a decade or so.
 

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wallyburger said:
as a learning disabled dyslexic he could have been excused from the test, but took it anyway and was a 3rd rounder.


Thats rich....

Bash Young but let U of Miami players slide.

Wouldnt expect anything less
 

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Ed Burmila said:
How is he any different than all the other guys who didn't participate in the Combine? It's not like he was the only one. I doubt anyone cares that Leinart didn't do anything.

Not true. Quite a bit was made of Leinart's duck and run at the combine. GMs, coaches, and Personnel directors don't go public with blatant statements , but there were plenty of rumblings about the no goes, including Leinart from that group. Compund that with the statement he made about wanting to test with his guys rather than the unfamiliar players at the combine. Maybe he thinks he will get to take the USC team to the same pro team he goes to.
 

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Shane H said:
Leinart ran a pro style Offense, took the ball from under center like a normal QB does and has no questions in regards to his mechanics or intelligence.


see Daunte Culpepper and Randel Cunningham...

This whole 'under center thing' is funny. Do you honestly believe he cant take a snap from under center? Dear God, even if he cant, by end of training camp he could....Big risk there..

Here is what is important in a QB to me: Accuracy, footwork, vision, arm strength.

Otherwise it is all just more fodder for the VY haters (or any other hater) to get on someones case.

I am sooo glad this is happenning to VY. I cant wait until I hear "...with the 10th selection in the 2006 NFL Draft, the Arizona Cardinals select Vince Young, QB, University of Texas"
 

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wallyburger said:
Not true. Quite a bit was made of Leinart's duck and run at the combine. GMs, coaches, and Personnel directors don't go public with blatant statements , but there were plenty of rumblings about the no goes, including Leinart from that group. Compund that with the statement he made about wanting to test with his guys rather than the unfamiliar players at the combine. Maybe he thinks he will get to take the USC team to the same pro team he goes to.
Yeah, I don't know how Leinart is ever going to be able to recover from missing the Combine. I mean, that huge slide to being the second pick in the draft sure did screw him.:rolleyes:
 

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seriously how can Texas University be proud they are graduating this guy?

The same way USC and the U are proud for 'graduating' their top flight athletes.

The wonderlic is and will never be an indicator of on field performance. Just the same as the 40 time will never translate to game speed.
 

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LVCARDFREAK said:
see Daunte Culpepper and Randel Cunningham...

This whole 'under center thing' is funny. Do you honestly believe he cant take a snap from under center? Dear God, even if he cant, by end of training camp he could....Big risk there..

Here is what is important in a QB to me: Accuracy, footwork, vision, arm strength.

Otherwise it is all just more fodder for the VY haters (or any other hater) to get on someones case.

I am sooo glad this is happenning to VY. I cant wait until I hear "...with the 10th selection in the 2006 NFL Draft, the Arizona Cardinals select Vince Young, QB, University of Texas"

Yes its a concern. Since he has basically run a shotgun his whole college career he will lack the footwork necesssary to back pedal and set up from under center(one of your biggest concerns). Its not something thats going to come natural to him.

Always coming out of the shotgun in college afforded him more time overall to find an open WR. Thus bringing into question his visiona nd ability to find a target at the NFL level.

For some reason or another there ar many NFL people who are questioning his ability to make all the throws.

This all comes form reputable sports outlet(ESPN)

If he slides I'll be very happy that he will likely slide right by us.
 

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Thats rich....

Bash Young but let U of Miami players slide.

Wouldnt expect anything less

I am not bashing anyone. It is a discussion about his whole elevated status and possible slide. I thought he was over rated all along, before the test rumor.

Frank Gore didn't slide. The guy is learning disabled. Do you know what that means? So, who is bashing?

Frank Gore succeeded in getting a degree in 4 years at U of Miami, despite being dyslexic big time. He managed to qualify with higher than NCAA SAT score and GPA, out of High School. Yes, Miami has higher standards than U of Texas. All of that despite publically stated dyslexia. If you know anything about dyslexic students, they test in a controlled but fair unbiased environment, not something like the Combine administered Wunderlic test. If you want to bash Gore , as you have constantly done in the past, do it. The guy has had 3 major knee reconstructions , is learning disabled, lived in abject poverty his whole life got drafted in the 3rd round yet somehow ended up the starting RB for San Francisco 49ers and will be their RB next year. Hope you feel better now.

So stick your personal vendetta in your ear. Find a bad guy to bash from U of Miami with your Miami hate and let me know when you want to debate anything related to football.
 

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LVCARDFREAK said:
This whole 'under center thing' is funny. Do you honestly believe he cant take a snap from under center? Dear God, even if he cant, by end of training camp he could....Big risk there..

Tell that to Alex Smith. Yeah, he was a rookie, but he was still having problems getting into ande out of his drop in Week 17.

In a more advanced case, look at Jaguars' QB Byron Leftwich. He's still having problems adjusting to playing under center, to the detriment of his running game. This had been reported multiple times this season.

You can say that it's not a concern, but there are a lot--a LOT--of question marks about this guy. Eventually, they have to accrue.
 

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More Fuel for the fire:

ESPN Insider's Todd McShay said:
The biggest buzz coming out of Indianapolis the last few days is the rumor that Texas QB Vince Young bombed his Wonderlic test. Rumor had Young scoring a 6 on the test.

While the results of his first test haven't been confirmed -- and combine officials have said the score of 6 was wrong -- ESPN.com's John Clayton reported that Young scored a 16 on his second try (according to his agent) and he's expected to take it a third time. The results of that test will not be released to NFL teams until next week, so it remains completely speculation at this point.

"The combine officials assured us that score (6) was false and that the accurate score will be known when the combine results are given to each team," Young's agent, Major Adams, said.

Houston general manager Charley Casserly told the Houston Chronicle: "I've been told it was inaccurate by a source good enough for me to quote it."

Just as a barometer, the highest score registered at last year's scouting combine was a 40 (QB Alex Smith) and the lowest score was a 6 (RB Frank Gore). I also have been told by an NFL scout that the other two top quarterbacks this year fared much better on this test, with USC's Matt Leinart scoring a 35 (at the combine) and Vanderbilt's Jay Cutler scoring a 29 (in a test given prior to the combine).

If the initial rumors about Young's low test score were proven true, his draft stock stands to be significantly affected, especially with Cutler continuing to skyrocket up most teams' draft boards. When I asked one scout from the AFC if he thought Young would still be a top-five draft pick if the rumor turns out to be true, he answered, "Sure … as a wide receiver, though."

As expected, Cutler shined during his four days in Indianapolis. The only quarterback to voluntarily bench press at the combine in the last two years, Cutler put up the standard 225-pound bar 23 times. He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.78 seconds and wowed the NFL brass in attendance with his strong arm and accuracy during the passing drills Sunday. Cutler's interviews have also impressed several interested teams, including the New Orleans Saints, who currently own the draft's second overall pick.

Despite all the quarterback hype in Indianapolis, the player who perhaps has improved his draft stock the most so far is Florida WR Chad Jackson. As an early entry into this year's draft class, Jackson was considered very much an enigma due to his somewhat inconsistent junior season and unknown measurables. However, Jackson put a lot of questions to rest this weekend when he notched the best 40-yard dash time (4.32 seconds) of any offensive prospect in attendance. In my opinion, Jackson ranks as the second-best receiver in this year's class, behind Ohio State's Santonio Holmes, and he is worth drafting around the middle of the first round.

With two of the four workout sessions completed, this has to be considered one of the best combines in recent years from a participation standpoint. Almost all of the defensive prospects are expected to work out during the final two sessions Monday and Tuesday, and a vast majority of the offensive prospects participated in all or some of the four-day process. The highest-rated prospects thus far to opt out of their workouts have been Young, Holmes, Leinart, OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson (Virginia), and RBs Reggie Bush (USC), LenDale White (USC) and DeAngelo Williams (Memphis). WR Jeremy Bloom understandably did not go through the position drills after recently returning from the Olympics in Torino, Italy, but he did run a somewhat disappointing 4.49 in the 40-yard dash.

One of the biggest stories of the weekend was Ohio State DT Mike Kudla, who tied the combine record with 45 reps on the 225-pound bench press. Right behind Kudla was Florida State DT Broderick Bunkley, who threw up 44 reps and looks chiseled at 6-foot-2¾ and 306 pounds. Bunkley is one of the fastest-rising defensive prospects right now and he could move into the middle first-round area with a strong showing during Monday's workout.

As a side note, agent Drew Rosenhaus continues to actively shop his most controversial client, WR Terrell Owens, during this week's event in Indianapolis. Most recently, Rosenhaus had the ear of Chiefs president/GM/CEO Carl Peterson for nearly an hour at Shula's Steakhouse Sunday afternoon.
 

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kerouac9 said:
You can say that it's not a concern, but there are a lot--a LOT--of question marks about this guy. Eventually, they have to accrue.
Obviously there are questions - I have mine too about VY. But I'm also not foolish enought to think we should pass on this kid if we have the tenth pick in the draft. Young has arguably the highest upside of any player ever to enter the NFL Draft, he's way too freakish of an athlete and way too accomplished of a player to pass on where we pick.
 

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MaoTosiFanClub said:
Obviously there are questions - I have mine too about VY. But I'm also not foolish enought to think we should pass on this kid if we have the tenth pick in the draft. Young has arguably the highest upside of any player ever to enter the NFL Draft, he's way too freakish of an athlete and way too accomplished of a player to pass on where we pick.


How so? One Great year and title in college in a game that requires 22 players doesnt make you all that accomplished. His other two season at TX were nothing to glow about.
 

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MaoTosiFanClub said:
Obviously there are questions - I have mine too about VY. But I'm also not foolish enought to think we should pass on this kid if we have the tenth pick in the draft. Young has arguably the highest upside of any player ever to enter the NFL Draft, he's way too freakish of an athlete and way too accomplished of a player to pass on where we pick.


If Young " falls " to ten , would that not indicate he was either over rated by " the experts " or he has warts?

#10 pick will get the Cards , arguably the best TE, a top RB , one of the top LBs, a very good DL or OL.

So Young would be a risk at #10 and Green needs to win this year. I don't know if any rookie will help next year, but Young dropping to #10 isn't exactly a ringing endorsement on him.
 

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Shane H said:
How so? One Great year and title in college in a game that requires 22 players doesnt make you all that accomplished. His other two season at TX were nothing to glow about.
He's easily the third most accomplished player in the draft. Sorry if that's not good enough for you Shane. I suppose if he was a Div. II superstar like Marcel Shipp or a Southern Methodist washout like Josh McCown you'd be his biggest fan.
 

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MaoTosiFanClub said:
Obviously there are questions - I have mine too about VY. But I'm also not foolish enought to think we should pass on this kid if we have the tenth pick in the draft. Young has arguably the highest upside of any player ever to enter the NFL Draft, he's way too freakish of an athlete and way too accomplished of a player to pass on where we pick.

Yeah. He has too many questions to me for a Top 3 pick. Maybe for a Top 5, but I agree with you 100% that his upside is far too great to pass on at #10 overall.
 

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MaoTosiFanClub said:
He's easily the third most accomplished player in the draft. Sorry if that's not good enough for you Shane. I suppose if he was a Div. II superstar like Marcel Shipp or a Southern Methodist washout like Josh McCown you'd be his biggest fan.

Exactly. How did you know? Still waiting as to what makes him so accomplished?
 

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Shane H said:
Exactly. How did you know? Still waiting as to what makes him so accomplished?

He single-handedly beat the USC Trojans for the National Championship. He had the highest passer efficiency in Division I. He was the consensus best college player following the Bowl Season (there's no question he would have won the Heisman had the voting been held in Mid-January).

In what ways is he not accomplished in the college ranks. Only Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush could possibly boast being as great an impact player for their team as Young can.
 

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Shane H said:
Exactly. How did you know? Still waiting as to what makes him so accomplished?
Now you're just making yourself look like you have no clue what you're talking about.

2006 - Manning Award winner
2006 - Rose Bowl MVP
2005 - Finalist for Heisman Trophy
2005 - The Cingular Player of the Year Award
2005 - All-American Offensive Player
2005 - The Maxwell Award - College Player of the Year
2005 - Davey O'Brien National Quarterback Award
2005 - 1st Team All-Big 12 Conference honors (unanimous decision)
2005 - Rose Bowl Most Valuable Player (at end of 2004 season)
2004 - Honorable mention All-Big 12 Conference honors
2003 - Big 12 Conference Offensive Freshman of the Year
 

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Shane I'm afraid you've lost me on this one. Young's accolades, stats, and national championship ring (which he won single-handedly by beating what may have been the best college football team of all time) make him pretty "accomplished".

Hell, if Jay Cutler's a top-10 pick then Young should be the #1 overall pick 10 times over if we're judging by accomplishments in college.
 

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MaoTosiFanClub said:
Now you're just making yourself look like you have no clue what you're talking about.

2006 - Manning Award winner
2006 - Rose Bowl MVP
2005 - Finalist for Heisman Trophy
2005 - The Cingular Player of the Year Award
2005 - All-American Offensive Player
2005 - The Maxwell Award - College Player of the Year
2005 - Davey O'Brien National Quarterback Award
2005 - 1st Team All-Big 12 Conference honors (unanimous decision)
2005 - Rose Bowl Most Valuable Player (at end of 2004 season)
2004 - Honorable mention All-Big 12 Conference honors
2003 - Big 12 Conference Offensive Freshman of the Year


Thats all well and good. But I dont consider a one year wonder very accomplished. Those awards are nice for his trophy case. But they dont show a lengthy history of accomplishment( I guess your definition of accomplished and mine are two different things) . Especially not at the division 1 level. Heck the awards in 03 and 04 are laughable based on his stats alone.
 

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wallyburger said:
Not true. Quite a bit was made of Leinart's duck and run at the combine.

Yes, and those "grumblings" happen every year. And every year the GMs line up to pick the same guys anyway. I could sit here all day and list guys who went in the Top 5 but didn't work out at the combine. 90% of them over the past 10 years.

So the same people who make "quite a bit" out of his decision not to participate will be the ones drafting him in April.

It's really amazing how the arguments develop on this board. I can't ever recall anyone caring about players sitting out the Combine (Antrel Rolle skipped it) and now all the sudden waiting for a Pro Day to work out - which the overwhelming majority of star prospects do - is the biggest deal on earth.
 

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