Diamondback Jay
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This is a deal I'm hearing quite a fair amount about. I've been informed that neither Scherzer, Parker nor Conor Jackson will be included in any deal for Mark.
Thoughts on this?
Thoughts on this?
Rumored Deal: Owings, Parra, D'Antona and Tracy for Teixeria
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I don't know much about Parra, but Tracy being moved would help them for next year (when Byrnes comes back and has to be played), Owings is not particularly good, and D'Antona is blocked from really ever being an everyday player here.
I'd consider this one, and even if they don't resign him, at least they get a pair of draft picks as compensation.
I'd consider this one, and even if they don't resign him, at least they get a pair of draft picks as compensation.
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Owings is a Georgia boy, he'd love it. Tracy wouldn't mind, either, he would be a 4-hour drive up I-85 from his hometown of Charlotte. As much as I'd like to see Teixiera play for the D-backs, it'll only be temporary and giving up on those four players may be a steep price to pay for a rental player. There's plenty of potential for a Quentin/Hairston/Uggla 
why'd-we-do-that? situation. I look ahead, not behing. And as Adam says, nice compensatory draft picks that would come this way and the D-backs need to reload the ammo on the farm. With the way Tracy is hitting now, this may be the best chance to get something for him, too. If the D-backs win the division, it could be a whale of a move come October.
why'd-we-do-that? situation. I look ahead, not behing. And as Adam says, nice compensatory draft picks that would come this way and the D-backs need to reload the ammo on the farm. With the way Tracy is hitting now, this may be the best chance to get something for him, too. If the D-backs win the division, it could be a whale of a move come October.
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Diamondback Jay
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To chime in with my own opinion on this rumor I've heard:
The only player in this deal I'd be really hard pressed to see go is Parra. However, the average age of the current crop of OF for Arizona is 25, which is bumped up because Byrnes is going to be 33 soon. Parra's hardly un-replacable in a deal like this. If, by slight chance, Arizona is able to re-sign Tex, they could move Conor to the OF and have a pretty nice lineup for the future.
I'm not at all in favor of trading top grain prospects for a possible rental. However, none of these guys are top grain prospects, not ones that can't be replaced anyhow.
The only player in this deal I'd be really hard pressed to see go is Parra. However, the average age of the current crop of OF for Arizona is 25, which is bumped up because Byrnes is going to be 33 soon. Parra's hardly un-replacable in a deal like this. If, by slight chance, Arizona is able to re-sign Tex, they could move Conor to the OF and have a pretty nice lineup for the future.
I'm not at all in favor of trading top grain prospects for a possible rental. However, none of these guys are top grain prospects, not ones that can't be replaced anyhow.
Exactly why id pull through with the trade.
we hardly lose prospects.. and get a proven AL/NL hitter who can put us over the top.
Theres a slight chance of resigning him (since the FO likes him so much) but i dont think we'd be giving that much to try and land him, losing just Parra and Owings. Tracy and Dantona are very expandable.
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I agree...in fact, I think if Tex was here the Dbacks would do everything they could to resign him and let Hudson go. A power/hitting for average 1st baseman is more important than a hitting for average 2nd baseman, IMO. The Dbacks could find a good defensive 2nd baseman to replace Hudson. I like Hudson ALOT, but he would be more replaceable than Tex, if they landed Tex.
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where would cojack play?...LF, where would Byrnes go when he's back, it's VERY unlikely they sit him and his HUGE contract
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Fascinating. You'd give up 4 guys we've invested time and effort in, for 3 months of a 'proven' overrated guy we can't possibly afford, who may conceivably help get us into the second round playoffs (because we won't be going further with or w/o him), but who is just as likely not to matter or to get hurt --- and you like this because we'll get a few totally unknown extra draft picks down the road?
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Why not agree to an extension during the trade?
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Hey when is the trade deadline again?
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We can't afford him.
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You mean we don't to pay that type of money, right?
I know it is semantics, but there isn't a salary cap or anything like that permitting us from doing the extension. Stupid RJ deal.
*Note* I don't know much about how baseball does its finances vs. salary cap and the like.
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I would do this trade and heres why. Do you guys realize the World Series is on the line here? Let's not count our chickens before they are hatched but with Tex in the middle of this lineup - all of a sudden guys like CoJack, Drew, and Young get a lot more to hit making our offense rather potent.
With the two guys we run out there every 5 days, a strong bullpen with the addition of Rauch and high ceiling young players who are going to make or break us in the post season in Upton and Sherzer we have all the parts of a contender once we get into the dramatically different setup that is the post season. I say the time to make this deal is now. Even if we can't resign Tex it gives us something like 9 of the first 70 picks.
With people like AZZenny being so pessimistic I wonder if anyone realizes we were in the NLCS last year with no Haren and a less effective bullpen. There is no one in the NL that scares me if we get Tex and isn't what this is all about? Going for rings?
None of those guys is a sure fire stud and we keep our core. I can't understand why you wouldn't make this deal. We have the best 1 - 2 and baseball and its no sure bet that those guys will continue to have years like this year in and year out.
I say we strike while the iron is hot and jump in.
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With the two guys we run out there every 5 days, a strong bullpen with the addition of Rauch and high ceiling young players who are going to make or break us in the post season in Upton and Sherzer we have all the parts of a contender once we get into the dramatically different setup that is the post season. I say the time to make this deal is now. Even if we can't resign Tex it gives us something like 9 of the first 70 picks.
With people like AZZenny being so pessimistic I wonder if anyone realizes we were in the NLCS last year with no Haren and a less effective bullpen. There is no one in the NL that scares me if we get Tex and isn't what this is all about? Going for rings?
None of those guys is a sure fire stud and we keep our core. I can't understand why you wouldn't make this deal. We have the best 1 - 2 and baseball and its no sure bet that those guys will continue to have years like this year in and year out.
I say we strike while the iron is hot and jump in.
:injerrymaguirevoice: Who's coming with me?
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If the DBacks sign Tex and lose Hudson, I think Drew is your new 2nd baseman. Upton moves to SS, and Byrnes moves to RF. Jackson stays in left. If this is the case, I'm OK with the trade.
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Upton isn't moving to SS anytime soon and Drew is staying at SS. He's a fantastic young shortstop and I don't want to see the D-Backs move more people around then I have to.
AS for the trade, I think its stupid trading 4 for 1 and a guy who we most likely will only have for a couple of months. I don't even think he will help all that much. If this goes through I will be intrigued, but I wont be happy about it in the long run.
AS for the trade, I think its stupid trading 4 for 1 and a guy who we most likely will only have for a couple of months. I don't even think he will help all that much. If this goes through I will be intrigued, but I wont be happy about it in the long run.
I'm am 100% behind you. We may be giving away some good talent, but for a few of these guys, there's just no room for them to play and we'll have plenty of time to restock our farm system until that time when we will need players. This is a better team than many are giving them credit for and Teix will put us right at the top of the NL with a serious chance at a championship. Teixeira isn't a superstar, but he's a power hitter who hits for a good average. With him in the line-up, we won't go through big offensive slumps and a dangerous offense combined with the Webb/Haren duo is a contender.
And with Owings out, it gives many of you what you want. Scherzer will be able to stay in the starting rotation.
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I think Petit will continue to get his chance as the #5 starter. His 2.55 ERA and 0.85 WHIP is very impressive. Give him 3-4 starts, let him go 6 innings each time, and see what he can do.
Though Scherzer is intriguing.
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Can we afford Webb's upcoming 25 million per and Tex's 20 million per?
I do this trade in a heartbeat and don't think twice about it.
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I think you are exaggerating to prove a point, but in case your not - Johan Santana doesn't even earn $17M this year - Brandon Webb isn't that good. I think the going rate for a #1 that is in Cy Young contention is about $15M per. I sure hope the D-Backs keep him for the next 5 years.
How is Teixeira worth $20M per? I don't see it
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BTW, I would make the deal. You have to give up something to get something - and this year (no dominant power team) it seems to be wide open. WS is not out of the question with a strong #1 & 2.
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