Rumors SWIRLING in Cleveland Tonight

[lou_skywalker]

yeah the Cavs offer is a bad one i rather take Sheed or Thomas if we are really dealing Amare.

 

[SunsTzu]

Wow that is a horrible deal. Not really suprising though since Cavs fans have been deluding themselves all year they could spin Szerbiak's expiring contract and scrubs for all star players.

 

[hafey]

Just like they're deluding themselves LBJ will stay in Cleveland.

 

[elindholm]

Wow that is a horrible deal. Not really suprising though since Cavs fans have been deluding themselves all year they could spin Szerbiak's expiring contract and scrubs for all star players.

It worked for the Lakers and Gasol. Hopefully the Suns aren't as foolish as the Grizzlies, but you never know.

 

[Iverson03]

what a crappy offer. we got a crap expirer, low draft pick and freaking hickson

thanks but no thanks.

 

[overseascardfan]

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/90890-bulls-cavs-leading-amare-race?eref=fromSI

Here is the latest rumor on SI, apparently CHI & CLE seem to be the two most active teams remaining.

CLE deal improved with Varejao being added, but I would still rather trade Shaq for that package than Amar'e.

CHI's deal is similiar in that we get 2 frontcourt guys and a swingman but still not enough. In fact with their 2 best players being Deng and Gordon and Hinrich making like $10M a year I do not see us giving up Amar'e for at least one of them but we would have to deal Nash or Barnes to accomodate Hinrich and Deng and Barbosa to accomodate Gordon.

I like what SAC can offer, not what they've been reported as offering(Bobby Jackson, Shelden Williams and another expiring contract). Jason Thompson would be my #1 target on that team, Miller's expiring contract and maybe either Beno or Salmons and I would pull the trigger.


Someone on the board mentioned trading Shaq and Nash in seperate deals and keep Amar'e with the young talent we get that would not be a bad idea. Bringing in Bayless & Aldridge with Josh Howard & Stackhouse from a proposed DAL deal for Shaq would give us a new young core to build around.

Bayless/Barbosa
Richardson/Stackhouse
Howard/Hill
Stoudamire/Amundson
Aldridge/Lopez

 

[lou_skywalker]

chicago should add lindsey hunter, a veteran point guard that could help us make the playoff run. hes probably gonna retire soon and hope that dragic would be ready by then.

 

[JS22]

Cavs fan here, just joined the forum to give everyone an update on what's been going on in Cleveland tonight. We've obviously been caught up in the Amare news storm just like everyone else it seems.

This afternoon on one of the Cavaliers forums from a poster named "Wine and Gold" discussed some recent news he's heard regarding Amare. W&G is a VERY well respected poster on the Cavaliers forum as he is connected to the organization and typically has very good information from the inner circles.

Unfortunately since I just joined I can't post any links, but the post to which I'm referring is at RealCavsFans (dot com) titled "Amare Watch '09", specifically post #1 and #830 by W&G.

For those not interested in googling to find the thread I can summarize quickly:
- W&G originally did not think the Cavs had much interest in Amare
- Today W&G received a call from JJ Hickson's representative asking if he had any info on a potential move involving JJ to the Suns
- As he hears it, the Cavs have been in discussions with several teams including the suns on multiple trade scenarios, including a deal for Amare that would likely be Wally Szczerbiak's expiring 12+ MM contract, JJ Hickson and a 1st rounder (all this info is from earlier in the thread posted above)

Tonight W&G provided more info on the deal as it appears the discussions around Amare to the Cavs are heating up
- There is currently no "handshake deal"
- Lebron and Amare have talked and there may be serious interest within the front office to bring the two together on the Cavs
- It's believed that Amare wouldn't want to come to Cleveland for a short term deal and would potentially want to hear from Lebron that it would be a long term gig (this has several implications, including potentially laying the groundwork for Lebron to sign an extension this off season which has been rumored in Cleveland)
- It's by no means a done deal, but it appears to be a very real discussion with interest from both sides

Anyways, just thought I'd pass along what we've heard tonight in Cleveland. If you're interested, I would encourage people to check out the thread. The posts by Wine and Gold are typically a pretty good read. By no means trying to imply that I'm breaking any news here, just filling everyone in PHX in on what some of the respected Cavs forum members are hearing.

Regards,
NYCCavsFan

What an AWFUL deal. That last thing I want to see is Wally bricking it up in a Suns uniform. The 1st round pick is going to be a terrible pick. The only thing that intrigues me is Hickson. But not NEARLY enough to dump Amare.

This would be a pure cost-cutting move IMO.

 

[lou_skywalker]

yeah the pick would be useless if the cavs dominate to the Finals with LBJ and Amare

 

[nowagimp]

yeah the pick would be useless if the cavs dominate to the Finals with LBJ and Amare

And Kerr would look like the chris wallace of 2009, with this "gasolic" type deal.

 

[joeshmo]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2009/02/13/20090213spt-allstarsuns.html

They may have changed the article becuase Cleveland is in fact in the quote that you yourself quoted in the link you gave.

"There is no denying that the Suns are exploring trade options with Stoudemire. That is particularly true now that the team is finding out how fleeting glory can be as it sits outside the playoff picture in the West and faces economic issues, such as paying luxury tax into 2010. Chicago, Houston and Cleveland are at the forefront of negotiations with the Suns, who would want the expiring contracts of Chicago's Drew Gooden, Houston's Ron Artest or Cleveland's Wally Szczerbiak included. A Bulls deal could include Tyrus Thomas and Thabo Sefolosha, players they coveted in past drafts."

 

[Gee!]

That deal sucks.. Guess Kerr is ok with getting robbed.. What a punk..

 

[jandaman]

I think if the Suns pick the Cavs deal... then the rest of the veterans would probably need to go aswell... whats the point of having them if the team is going to play a rookie at the 4?.... where the majority of fire power for other teams are...

 

[Amare2Cleveland]

rumor is false. the same guy who leaked the j-rich and shaq trade said yesterday that it was just between the bulls and a western conference contender and now azcentral just posted this saying its the rockets. Cleveland deal is dead.

Nice try buddy, I read the article. What it actually said was:

There is no denying that the Suns are exploring trade options with Stoudemire. That is particularly true now that the team is finding out how fleeting glory can be as it sits outside the playoff picture in the West and faces economic issues, such as paying luxury tax into 2010. Chicago, Houston and Cleveland are at the forefront of negotiations with the Suns, who would want the expiring contracts of Chicago's Drew Gooden, Houston's Ron Artest or Cleveland's Wally Szczerbiak included. A Bulls deal could include Tyrus Thomas and Thabo Sefolosha, players they coveted in past drafts.

That INCLUDES Cleveland...

 

[slinslin]

He won't go to Cleveland.

 

[AnotherHOMER]

Someone on the board mentioned trading Shaq and Nash in seperate deals and keep Amar'e with the young talent we get that would not be a bad idea. Bringing in Bayless & Aldridge with Josh Howard & Stackhouse from a proposed DAL deal for Shaq would give us a new young core to build around.

Bayless/Barbosa
Richardson/Stackhouse
Howard/Hill
Stoudamire/Amundson
Aldridge/Lopez

I am all about trading Nash, and firing Porter.

Trade Nash to the Blazers for young pg talent (bayless) and lets build around Amare, JRich, and Bayless.

If we are not going to be contenders, then Nash will turn it in. We HAVE WITNESSED this...

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[devilalum]

I am all about trading Nash, and firing Porter.

Trade Nash to the Blazers for young pg talent (bayless) and lets build around Amare, JRich, and Bayless.

If we are not going to be contenders, then Nash will turn it in. We HAVE WITNESSED this...

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Trade Shaq and Nash for a bunch of kids and we become the GS Warriors.

 

[AnotherHOMER]

Trade Shaq and Nash for a bunch of kids and we become the GS Warriors.

I would take my chance with Amare, JRich, and Bayless instead of Nash, Shaq, and picks.

Like I said, once the trade doesnt work, Nash will turn it in. Then what? I just don't see a future with Nash.

IMO.

Great run! Love Nash and what we did. Its over though. Breakups are hard to do.

Shake n bake..

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[devilalum]

I would take my chance with Amare, JRich, and Bayless instead of Nash, Shaq, and picks.

Like I said, once the trade doesnt work, Nash will turn it in. Then what? I just don't see a future with Nash.

IMO.

Great run! Love Nash and what we did. Its over though. Breakups are hard to do.

Shake n bake..

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The more I think about it the more I don't see the point of hanging on to Nash any longer unless Nash has said that he really doesn't want to play for any other team and they feel like they owe him. If Nash welcomed a trade or even asked for one the Suns would be stupid to pass. Nash's trade value is getting lower by the minute and the Suns have ZERO chance of winning a title with the curent roster.

 

[nashman]

No reason to trade Nash thats absurd who would be the PG? Amare we can trade and if we can get some role players this team can still be good. Amare demands the ball to much to score and lately is a TO waiting to happen he cannot drive without losing the ball 90% of the time its ridiculous.

 

[Covert Rain]

I think a trade with Cleveland is fantasy land. They don't have the pieces and one of the pieces I would want is Mo and they are not trading Mo.

 

[CardsFan88]

They only have lebron, and aren't giving him up.

 

[NYCCavsFan]

I think a trade with Cleveland is fantasy land. They don't have the pieces and one of the pieces I would want is Mo and they are not trading Mo.

I've seen you post this same idea in several other threads and I just have to ask...

What other rumored deal out there has the Suns trading Stoudemire for another All Star?

The best player I've heard discussed in trade talks seems to have been Rudy Gay and the grizzlies shot that down pretty fast. So while you may think the Cleveland trade is "fantasy land", perhaps you should evaluate what world you're living in if you think Stoudemire is going to return a current All Star in a trade.

 

[JS22]

I've seen you post this same idea in several other threads and I just have to ask...

What other rumored deal out there has the Suns trading Stoudemire for another All Star?

The best player I've heard discussed in trade talks seems to have been Rudy Gay and the grizzlies shot that down pretty fast. So while you may think the Cleveland trade is "fantasy land", perhaps you should evaluate what world you're living in if you think Stoudemire is going to return a current All Star in a trade.

Sorry, but all Cleveland would be able to offer is trash. We don't expect Amare to be traded for a top-notch all-star. But certainly more than an awful draft pick, that scrub Wally, and an unknown PF.

Maybe YOU should go back to your board and evaluate what world YOU'RE living in.

Find a way to send Williams and Varejao back and I'd consider it.

 

[Chaplin]

I've seen you post this same idea in several other threads and I just have to ask...

What other rumored deal out there has the Suns trading Stoudemire for another All Star?

The best player I've heard discussed in trade talks seems to have been Rudy Gay and the grizzlies shot that down pretty fast. So while you may think the Cleveland trade is "fantasy land", perhaps you should evaluate what world you're living in if you think Stoudemire is going to return a current All Star in a trade.

He's not saying that. He's saying that outside of Lebron James, Mo Williams is the only player on the Cavs that comes close to the value of Amare Stoudemire. The Cavs are a pretty good team, but you don't really have very good individual players outside of a few guys. Without Lebron, they'd be a lottery team.