Ryan Roberts Done With D-Backs

[Dback Jon]

Absolutely

Even mentioning Roberts and Byrnes in the same thread is insulting to Ryan Roberts. If Justin Upton had half of Roberts drive and determination we'd have the greatest player in the world.

That being said it was definitely time for Roberts to move on.

Agreed on all counts.

Roberts played hard, didn't show off. He just is a utility player.

 

[kps0001]

Erubiel Durazo is missing from that list. I agree Womack shouldn't be on it.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Actually Eric Byrnes with his idiotic fake hustling and somersault throws drew more of a crowd and a $30 million contract unfortunately.

Alright I will concede Byrnes.

 

[DWKB]

Erubiel Durazo is missing from that list. I agree Womack shouldn't be on it.

Is this opposite day? Durazo was widely under rated by the AZ fan base and Womack was a useless SS who couldn't get on base that many seemed to love for some reason.

Seems like my list still applies here.

 

[BC867]

That's a tough list to crack:

Eric Byrnes
Shea Hillenbrand
Tony Womack
Alex Cintron
Junior Spivey
Danny Bautista
Robby Hammock
Matt Mantei
pretty much anyone BC867 was a fan of

I guess your wink acknowledges how outspoken I was about the two mental midgets -- Byrnes and Womack. You can add Chris Young and Justin Upton to them as well.

The others in the list may have ultimately come up short, but I never put them into the mental midget category. And actually, each one just about reached their potential as Major League ballplayers. I was a fan of both Alex Cintron (who began his career with the D'backs, averaging.279 with us) and Danny Bautista (who ended his career, averaging .296 with us.

Neither of them were underachievers. And Hammock produced much more than his natural skills offered.

 

[DWKB]

I guess your wink acknowledges how outspoken I was about the two mental midgets -- Byrnes and Womack. You can add Chris Young and Justin Upton to them as well.

The others in the list may have ultimately come up short, but I never put them into the mental midget category. And actually, each one just about reached their potential as Major League ballplayers. I was a fan of both Alex Cintron (who began his career with the D'backs, averaging.279 with us) and Danny Bautista (who ended his career, averaging .296 with us.

Neither of them were underachievers. And Hammock produced much more than his natural skills offered.

My wink was just a poke.

The subject was over rated, not under achievers. I'm not judging the players abilities or lack there-of, just the following/fanaticism vs actual performance of the player in question.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Womack having two of the three most important hits in team history alone should disqualify him from this list.

 

[BC867]

Womack having two of the three most important hits in team history alone should disqualify him from this list.

I was as happy as anyone when he came through.

But it doesn't eradicate his constantly popping up the ball in the leadoff position for the sake of 3 home runs per year. The fact is that he lost that spot to Craig Counsell, who had less natural ability for the position than Womack, who misused it.

 

[kps0001]

Is this opposite day? Durazo was widely under rated by the AZ fan base and Womack was a useless SS who couldn't get on base that many seemed to love for some reason.

Seems like my list still applies here.

Offensively he was horribly overrated by the fans, the organization, and the league in general. Looks like you overrated him as well.

Well while there might be something to defensive play at 1B providing extra strain on him, all of Ruby's injuries were on the offensive side of the ball, so I don't quite see how not playing 1B will quell those (or how playing 1B will worsen them).

Ruby was bad at 1B, he's Mo Vaughn bad, he's Andres Galarraga bad, he's Fred McGriff bad. But you know, all those guys play in the NL (or Big Cat did) and Ruby can out hit all of em.

Do you still stand by your statement that Ruby can out hit those 3?

 

[Gaddabout]

Aw c'mon. When was that written, kps? If it was in 2004, I totally get it. He was blowing up, one of his two legitimately outstanding years at the plate.

 

[kps0001]

Aw c'mon. When was that written, kps? If it was in 2004, I totally get it. He was blowing up, one of his two legitimately outstanding years at the plate.

It was after he was already gone. Just prior to those two years. Start of the his first season with the A's. April 2003. Beginning of his 5th season in the league where he posted his highest HR total of his career, to that point,the year prior with a whopping 12.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=78352&postcount=22

 

[82CardsGrad]

Most overrated? Gotta have Chris Young on that list... and, I'm finding it really hard not to put Upton at the very top of the list.

 

[DWKB]

Offensively he was horribly overrated by the fans, the organization, and the league in general. Looks like you overrated him as well.

I don't see how any of what you stated was obvious. He never got a chance to play full time in AZ, the fans didn't care for him at all because he played the same position as fan favorite Mark Grace, and he ended up on the team that's best described as the land of unwanted toys.

Do you still stand by your statement that Ruby can out hit those 3?

The context of what I wrote matters certainly, but in from 1999 to 2005 Durazo hit .285/.387/.497/.884 in 2100+ PAs and received MVP votes. He didn't have better careers than those players, but he was certainly hitting as well or better than them during that period. Durazo's peak was wasted by AZ.

 

[kps0001]

Spin it anyway you want. My intent was to prove a point regarding your snarky comment about "opposite day". I will still stand by you and plenty of others, including me, overrating him. I don't really care enough to go on and on about it though. Good day.

Back to the topic-I will miss Roberts. He seemed like a good guy, I like his tats, he hustled,and had a great year last year. but he just wasn't cutting it this year. I wish him luck.

 

[DWKB]

Spin it anyway you want. My intent was to prove a point regarding your snarky comment about "opposite day". I will still stand by you and plenty of others, including me, overrating him. I don't really care enough to go on and on about it though. Good day.

You take a quote by me 8 years ago without any context and throw it in my face and when I actually stand by it you call that "spin"? Loopy is what that comment is. I still don't know what point you've proven either.

 

[kps0001]

You take a quote by me 8 years ago without any context and throw it in my face and when I actually stand by it you call that "spin"? Loopy is what that comment is. I still don't know what point you've proven either.

*edited* I deleted because I really don't care to argue or explain how you proved with one sentence that he was overrated. Sorry you can't figure it out.

 

[DWKB]

*edited* I deleted because I really don't care to argue or explain how you proved with one sentence that he was overrated. Sorry you can't figure it out.

So you didn't want to post to argue with me, you just wanted to post to tell me that you're not arguing with me and make a backhanded attack that I'm not something enough to understand your concrete points.


Look, someone who suggests that while DBacks Tony Womack wasn't over rated and Erubiel Durazo was over rated either wasn't in touch with the fan base during their years on the team or is missing some understanding of what actually wins ballgames.

 

[kps0001]

So you didn't want to post to argue with me, you just wanted to post to tell me that you're not arguing with me and make a backhanded attack that I'm not something enough to understand your concrete points.


Look, someone who suggests that while DBacks Tony Womack wasn't over rated and Erubiel Durazo was over rated either wasn't in touch with the fan base during their years on the team or is missing some understanding of what actually wins ballgames.

 

[Dback Jon]

OK guys - enough

Just drop it between you two with the attacks.

If you want to discuss who is overrated rationally, have at it.

 

[kps0001]

no not really.

after that grand slam I don't think I miss Ryan Roberts anymore.

 

[splitsecond]

That's a tough list to crack:

Eric Byrnes
Shea Hillenbrand
Tony Womack
Alex Cintron
Junior Spivey
Danny Bautista
Robby Hammock
Matt Mantei
pretty much anyone BC867 was a fan of

Mantei get's my vote