Ryan Williams

[Crazy Canuck]

Karlos Dansby. Never made the Pro Bowl; never an All-Pro, nevertheless the greatest LB in the NFL.

Don't believe me?

Ask him....

 

[Duckjake]

Really? They brought in Lenon in FA and drafted Washington. So while neither were expected to replace Hayes as a thumper both are ILBers.

Nothing is what we have done at RB this year, save a couple of FA's.

Washington was brought in to replace Dansby not as insurance for Hayes bad back.

To replace Hayes the Cards brought in a guy 3 years older in Paris Lenon. That Lenon is now a revered player in the mold of Wrong Gap Ron McKinnon is evidence that SILB in the 3-4 in the NFL is one of the easiest positions to play at a mediocre level and look good.

 

[Early]

I'm really excited to see Ryan play. I think he can add much more to the offense than Beanie.

 

[Cheesebeef]

after extensive research (5 minutes google searching) The closest I could find is Cadillac Williams

and therein lies the rub. Dude's been a shell of himself since the injury and it took him almost a full two seasons to even become the shell.

 

[52brandon]

and therein lies the rub. Dude's been a shell of himself since the injury and it took him almost a full two seasons to even become the shell.

I was under the impression that he made a decent comeback. Not back to who he was, but RBs age quickly anyways. His average didn't suffer all that much...

 

[oaken1]

while not the same specific tendon(not a tendon at all actually)... Willis McGahee tore his ACL, PCL, and MCL all in one injury....came back to debut in the NFL with an 1100 yd 13 TD season....followed by 1200 yards the next season.

Patellar is much bigger and supports more force in the knee...but I believe that McGahee's recovery shows an amazing advancement in medical prowess......hoping that Lil Sweetness will be an example of how much better they continue to get.

 

[82CardsGrad]

while not the same specific tendon(not a tendon at all actually)... Willis McGahee tore his ACL, PCL, and MCL all in one injury....came back to debut in the NFL with an 1100 yd 13 TD season....followed by 1200 yards the next season.

Patellar is much bigger and supports more force in the knee...but I believe that McGahee's recovery shows an amazing advancement in medical prowess......hoping that Lil Sweetness will be an example of how much better they continue to get.

Man... I was at that game and will never forget that play... happened right in front of me. Just grotesque... a leg/knee should never be bent that way.
Incredible that he came back as strong as he did and is still competing... Wow!

 

[187]

and therein lies the rub. Dude's been a shell of himself since the injury and it took him almost a full two seasons to even become the shell.

Love all these Cadillac Williams references that act like he was the second coming of Barry Sanders in his first two seasons. He was solid as a rookie (4.1 YPC, but it isn't all that impressive) and awful in his second season (3.5 ypc). If you average his first two seasons out and then look at his post injury stats he's putting up damn near the same YPC numbers (I remember crunching numbers a while back) and he's got better averages on his receptions.

And it took him two years to get back to full strength because he came back from the first surgery in week 12 of '08, only to blow out the patella in his other knee in the last game of the season.

 

[Russ Smith]

is this really the case with patellar tendon tears? i've yet to see someone come here with concrete evidence of one of these players coming back from that particular injury and being anything close to what they once were. I think most people hear "knee injury" and just assume they're kinda all the same. Patella injuries are MUCH more gruesome than ACLs and even with ACLs, it's usually not until year 2 coming back from it that players are really fully healthy and ready to make an impact.

I know I asked you this before but I forget the answer. Did we ever confirm if it was a complete tear or not?

 

[Russ Smith]

Love all these Cadillac Williams references that act like he was the second coming of Barry Sanders in his first two seasons. He was solid as a rookie (4.1 YPC, but it isn't all that impressive) and awful in his second season (3.5 ypc). If you average his first two seasons out and then look at his post injury stats he's putting up damn near the same YPC numbers (I remember crunching numbers a while back) and he's got better averages on his receptions.

And it took him two years to get back to full strength because he came back from the first surgery in week 12 of '08, only to blow out the patella in his other knee in the last game of the season.

Yeah I forget where I read it but Cadillac has the same problem I had, his kneecaps natural "angle" is incorrect and puts undue stress on his patellar tendon. I tore the one in my right knee at 15, partial tear probably fairly small but didn't have surgery until I was 30 so it kept tearing for 15 years.

The doc who did the surgery had the same injury himself and he said the problem I had was the angle of tilt on my kneecaps was wrong, very uncommon and "if you keep playing basketball I'll be doing the left knee eventually."

I have no clue if that's also true with Ryan Williams but I remember reading it was true with Cadillac.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Love all these Cadillac Williams references that act like he was the second coming of Barry Sanders in his first two seasons. He was solid as a rookie (4.1 YPC, but it isn't all that impressive) and awful in his second season (3.5 ypc). If you average his first two seasons out and then look at his post injury stats he's putting up damn near the same YPC numbers (I remember crunching numbers a while back) and he's got better averages on his receptions.

who's acting like he's Barry Sanders? He was mediocre before and pretty much NOTHING after.

 

[Garthshort]

It seems to me that the RB is no longer a high prioity, as teams have found that with a good passing game and a good OL, more and more guys have proven to be pretty capable RB's. I've found that to be true on my Fantasy Football team. When one (RB) gets hurt, and they do, you can usually find one that will put up decent numbers.

 

[kerouac9]

It seems to me that the RB is no longer a high prioity, as teams have found that with a good passing game and a good OL, more and more guys have proven to be pretty capable RB's. I've found that to be true on my Fantasy Football team. When one (RB) gets hurt, and they do, you can usually find one that will put up decent numbers.

Someone like Chester Taylor?

To the Willis McGahee point: He suffered that injury in early January 2003, and then had more or less a medical redshirt season his rookie year. He didn't play a down in the NFL until August or September 2004.

That's an 18 to 19 month recovery for an injury that's widely considered easier to come back from than what Ryan Williams suffered.

Again: don't expect much from Ryan Williams this year, and maybe ever. Good kid, bad draft pick.

 

[Duckjake]

Someone like Chester Taylor?

To the Willis McGahee point: He suffered that injury in early January 2003, and then had more or less a medical redshirt season his rookie year. He didn't play a down in the NFL until August or September 2004.

That's an 18 to 19 month recovery for an injury that's widely considered easier to come back from than what Ryan Williams suffered.

Again: don't expect much from Ryan Williams this year, and maybe ever. Good kid, bad draft pick.

Why are you knocking Chester Taylor? In his one start last year he did a very good impression of Tim Hightower. Except he didn't fumble so I guess that would count against him.

 

[kerouac9]

Why are you knocking Chester Taylor? In his one start last year he did a very good impression of Tim Hightower. Except he didn't fumble so I guess that would count against him.

8 Carries for 20 yards? Our memories of Tim Hightower's production don't match up.

It's staggering that the Skelton backers haven't started pointing to the Seattle game as evidence that we're maybe better off with the young guy. Kolb only needed to muster up 14 points to beat Seattle at home, and had 40 attempts to try and get 'em.

After Kolb's 2nd quarter touchdown to Fitz, we didn't cross into Seattle territory until the middle of the 4th quarter.

 

[Duckjake]

8 Carries for 20 yards? Our memories of Tim Hightower's production don't match up.

It's staggering that the Skelton backers haven't started pointing to the Seattle game as evidence that we're maybe better off with the young guy. Kolb only needed to muster up 14 points to beat Seattle at home, and had 40 attempts to try and get 'em.

After Kolb's 2nd quarter touchdown to Fitz, we didn't cross into Seattle territory until the middle of the 4th quarter.

Crazy isn't it that TH in 25 of his 48 games for Arizona failed to gain more than 3.00 yards per carry. Wells has 12 in 44 games including two where he went backwards.

The Cards sure have been studs at running the football consistently.

 

[john h]

Wow he could miss a quarter of the season! That's not real encouraging.

I hope we are not going to have another Garrison Hearst. A good players who shows up still injured and we give up on him.

 

[spanky1]

Someone like Chester Taylor?

To the Willis McGahee point: He suffered that injury in early January 2003, and then had more or less a medical redshirt season his rookie year. He didn't play a down in the NFL until August or September 2004.

That's an 18 to 19 month recovery for an injury that's widely considered easier to come back from than what Ryan Williams suffered.

Again: don't expect much from Ryan Williams this year, and maybe ever. Good kid, bad draft pick.

In my heart of hearts, I don't expect Williams to start until week five......and I agree, we'd be lucky to see him make a real contribution.

 

[Zeno]

In my heart of hearts, I don't expect Williams to start until week five......and I agree, we'd be lucky to see him make a real contribution.

I doubt he starts all season unless Beanie is hurt...if you mean you don't expect him to play until week 5 then that is probably a likely scenario based on history.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

It's staggering that the Skelton backers haven't started pointing to the Seattle game as evidence that we're maybe better off with the young guy. Kolb only needed to muster up 14 points to beat Seattle at home, and had 40 attempts to try and get 'em.

After Kolb's 2nd quarter touchdown to Fitz, we didn't cross into Seattle territory until the middle of the 4th quarter.

Watching it live was death by 1,000 cuts. Went with some friends that are big college fans but don't like the NFL despite my insistence on the talent gap.

Needless to say, they were less than impressed after that craptastic battle.

 

[Russ Smith]

Someone like Chester Taylor?

To the Willis McGahee point: He suffered that injury in early January 2003, and then had more or less a medical redshirt season his rookie year. He didn't play a down in the NFL until August or September 2004.

That's an 18 to 19 month recovery for an injury that's widely considered easier to come back from than what Ryan Williams suffered.

Again: don't expect much from Ryan Williams this year, and maybe ever. Good kid, bad draft pick.

I don't know the answer but is it considered easier to come back from or just more common? I was told patellar tendon tears aren't all that common ligament tears are much more common.

William Floyd did his blowout aroudn the time I had my first surgery, my doc was involved in his surgery. He blew out multiple ligaments which I think was the case with McGahee too. My doc said it was the worst knee injury(Floyd) he'd ever seen, but he said tearing more than one ligament wasn't uncommon, what made Floyd's so bad was they were almost positive there was vascular damage and he could get avascular necrosis.

again I don't know the answer but I suspect it's possible RW's injury is less common and that's why less have come back?

 

[1DS]

and therein lies the rub. Dude's been a shell of himself since the injury and it took him almost a full two seasons to even become the shell.

Didn't he blow out both knees? Not sure if they were both the same injury, but I'm pretty sure he hurt both knees.

I think the comparison is fair. I hope R Williams does not loose that impressive first step.

 

[Phrazbit]

I don't know the answer but is it considered easier to come back from or just more common? I was told patellar tendon tears aren't all that common ligament tears are much more common.

William Floyd did his blowout aroudn the time I had my first surgery, my doc was involved in his surgery. He blew out multiple ligaments which I think was the case with McGahee too. My doc said it was the worst knee injury(Floyd) he'd ever seen, but he said tearing more than one ligament wasn't uncommon, what made Floyd's so bad was they were almost positive there was vascular damage and he could get avascular necrosis.

again I don't know the answer but I suspect it's possible RW's injury is less common and that's why less have come back?

Its more about what the patella tendon does. Most of the tendons in your knee are there to provide stability and prevent it from moving laterally, while your patella holds your knee cap in place and is a big fat ligament that is not easy to tear, and its larger size makes for longer healing time. Also, you tear that and its not as though you can keep the rest of your leg strong while the tendon slowly repairs like you can with some tears on the interior of the knee.

Longer time frame for healing, less ability to keep the rest of the leg strong while it heals. Its not a fun recovery.

 

[Duckjake]

Another question is how rusty is RWilliams going to be? He's only had 120 touches over the last two years. Started 5 games in 2010 and of course none in 2011.

Well at least if his legs get well they'll be fresh.

 

[spanky1]

I doubt he starts all season unless Beanie is hurt...if you mean you don't expect him to play until week 5 then that is probably a likely scenario based on history.

I meant that he won't get any carry's until week five.....at least. We had better hope that Edge's nephew has a surprise camp and that Smith has a breakout year cuz LHS is not an all purpose answer. If Beanie can play healthy, we might be ok.....but this a big if.