Sarver changes mind on luxury tax

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Success changes Sarver's mind on luxury tax

Paul Coro
The Arizona Republic
Oct. 21, 2006 12:00 AM


The Boris Diaw contract negotiations were so amicable that both sides think they won.

But in keeping Diaw for $45 million over five years, was it a Pyrrhic victory now that Suns salaries will be piling high above the luxury-tax threshold for the 2007-08 season?

The Suns' 2007-08 payroll projects to be nearly $78 million with the 10 current players whose deals are guaranteed for that season and three 2007 first-round picks to potentially add. That would be $9 million to $11 million above the luxury-tax threshold, depending on who is projecting.

The Suns would have to pay that excess as a tax and lose the money that every team - with the likely exceptions of the Suns and Dallas - would receive as a luxury-tax payout.

"As long as we're creating success and we're winning and we keep improving and the fans keep supporting us, there's no hard and fast line that says how much you have to spend or what you can't spend or will you spend the tax or will you not spend the tax?" Suns Managing Partner Robert Sarver said. "To me, it's more about the success we're creating and about doing it the right way with good contracts. I don't have any preconceived notion now that says we have to do this or we have to do that. We'll see how the season goes."

In summer 2005, the Suns made it clear that a high-priced player - maybe Shawn Marion - would have been dealt if they had given Joe Johnson a five-year, $70 million deal. There is none of that talk this time, even with extensions for Leandro Barbosa (five years, $33 million) and Diaw changing their combined salary-cap number from about $3.5 million this season to more than $14 million next season.

Marion, Amaré Stoudemire, Steve Nash, Kurt Thomas and Diaw will make about $58 million next season. But at least Howard Eisley finally comes off the books in the summer.

Because the Suns' business side with sponsorships and ticket sales has been so strong, the front office no longer flinches at the price tag.

"Our situation moving forward is one that's going to be dictated by our results and success," Suns Vice President of Basketball Operations David Griffin said.

The luxury threshold is not taxed until the February trade deadline. If Phoenix needed to move a player, it would not have to do so for another 16 months. Thomas already surfaced in trade talks. He - with an $8 million salary - would be a candidate due to a contract that expires next year.

Dealing with the idea of Johnson's contract, front-loaded with a $20 million payment last November, is certainly different from the current scenario. It seems like a championship, or at least an NBA Finals trip, would cure all.

"We're in a solid state financially," Sarver said. "I think we've made some good moves. Most importantly, we've put our money in people that we have a lot of confidence in. We have good contracts. To me, it hasn't been so much about the total amount of money we spend. It's, 'Are we spending it in the right place, do we have the right contracts, do we have some flexibility and do we have the ingredients that together can win us a championship?'
 

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Wow. Sarver is starting to make it hard to rip on him. This is music to every true basketball fan's ears.

Spend your salary cap wisely.
Don't get into bad contracts.
Be willing to dip into the lux tax pool if it makes sense.
Maintain trade flexibility.

Can't argue with that.
 

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On second thought, this is just Sarver lying to us again. He doesn't really mean it. Every move he makes is to save money. He should just drop the "r" from his name. He's just saying this to get us to buy tickets, then he'll trade everyone for picks at mid-season, put a teamful of rookies on the floor and laugh all the way to the bank.
 

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On second thought, this is just Sarver lying to us again. He doesn't really mean it. Every move he makes is to save money. He should just drop the "r" from his name. He's just saying this to get us to buy tickets, then he'll trade everyone for picks at mid-season, put a teamful of rookies on the floor and laugh all the way to the bank.

not sure if I get this. Are you trying to start a fight here with people who were skeptical of Sarver in the past? Most of those people have asked for their servings of crow and now fully back Sarver and believe in him.

the above just seems ripe to start a flame war.
 

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not sure if I get this. Are you trying to start a fight here with people who were skeptical of Sarver in the past? Most of those people have asked for their servings of crow and now fully back Sarver and believe in him.

the above just seems ripe to start a flame war.

Just a lame attempt at humor, especially over the "they lied to us about Amare" stuff. I am certainly not attempting to start a war of any kind. I don't post enough to keep up with it if I did.
 

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not sure if I get this. Are you trying to start a fight here with people who were skeptical of Sarver in the past? Most of those people have asked for their servings of crow and now fully back Sarver and believe in him.

the above just seems ripe to start a flame war.

i thought it was sarcasm
 

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I also saw in one article -- maybe it was NASH's blog transcription? --where Sarver said one difference in dealing with Diaw was that he (Sarver) is now 'starting to get the hang of this business.' I think that's an extremely positive and surprisingly self-revealing comment coming from someone like Sarver.
 

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Now lets all go out and buy some Suns merchandise so he can use the money to keep the team together.:thumbup:
 

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I'll take Sarver's comments at face value. He seems to have the Suns on the right course and learned from the JJ situation. I hate to think how many mistakes JC made running the Suns and I'm a JC fan.

IMO, Sarver is saying... there is a learning curve... and he has learned. Based on the extensions for Barbosa and Diaw, I'd say he is a quick learner. The Suns not only have a good team on the court now but possibly 3 first round draft picks next year to use in the NBA Draft (if they desire to keep them all).

I think the future looks pretty bright under Sarver thus far and I have openly expressed skepticism in earlier days. I think his comments were sincere about going into LT land if the rewards are there. What more can a fan ask of an owner?
 

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I'll take Sarver's comments at face value. He seems to have the Suns on the right course and learned from the JJ situation. I hate to think how many mistakes JC made running the Suns and I'm a JC fan.

IMO, Sarver is saying... there is a learning curve... and he has learned. Based on the extensions for Barbosa and Diaw, I'd say he is a quick learner. The Suns not only have a good team on the court now but possibly 3 first round draft picks next year to use in the NBA Draft (if they desire to keep them all).

I think the future looks pretty bright under Sarver thus far and I have openly expressed skepticism in earlier days. I think his comments were sincere about going into LT land if the rewards are there. What more can a fan ask of an owner?

absolutely nothing. the guy has given DA and the Suns Brass everything they need both now and in the future if changes need to be made. I give Sarver HUGE kudos for getting accomplished what he got accomplished this summer... namely, getting me to admit that I WAS WRONG. Y'all know that could be the hardest thing anyone in the world can do!
 

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I don't see any reason not to take Sarver at face value since his recent actions fit squarely with his words. Besides, he isn't claiming he doesn't want to make money from the franchise. A successful franchise increases in value so owners can make money from that even if they go into the red on operations.
 

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I think JCSunsfan meant Obet Sarve--that last 'r' makes a considerable difference. Now we can see he's a Saudi oil billionaire who should not worry a bit about a luxury tax.
 

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For me, the key part of that article was almost an aside.

Because the Suns' business side with sponsorships and ticket sales has been so strong, the front office no longer flinches at the price tag.

Two years ago, I don't think Sarver realized just how much money could be made through sponsorship deals if the team was a championship contender. If he looked at the books for the previous dozen years, the Suns were not a super hot commodity. But now he's seeing how to make money with a contender.
 

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Paying a little bit of tax is one thing, but paying Kurt Thomas $16.2 million next season to play 20 minutes per game is something else. I'd be planning to shop him too, but it will probably take two draft picks to do it.
 

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http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_a...to_shop_thomas/

Funny how one day after this, some Florida paper says we will shop Kurt Thomas because we don't want to pay tax.

Hmm. You wonder if somehow this quote is connected to this

Magic point guard Travis Diener, who has had a great pre-season, definitely can be had for a decent big man. Diener definitely is an NBA keeper, but he isn’t going to play ahead of Jameer Nelson and Carlos Arroyo, so Magicians are anxious to fill a need. They can use depth up front, so look for them to deal him for a big. San Antonio Express-News / October 20



Word out of Orlando is that the Magic want to trade Diener for a big man. Then word out of Orlando is that they think the Suns are going to deal KT.

My answer to them. Keep dreaming. We are all about right now, and while Diener would be a nice piece of insurance, KT is more important to us at the moment.
 

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Why would we trade Kurt Thomas for an unproven PG when we are relatively thin in the frontcourt as well but already have 3 small guards.
 

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Some sports writers have far too much time on their hands. :bang:

It's not clear there is any practical way for the Suns to unload KT and still be a championship contender. Amare remains a long way from being very good at defending the low post and Boris is far too small for that role. None of the Suns offseason moves came even close to making KT expendible.

Things would be different if the Suns had picked up Wilcox, Gooden or Ely (though I'm not that impressed with Ely). Right now, the Suns have a lot of mid sized guys and some beep bench bigs, but no one ofther than KT that can defend the low post without help every play.
 

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