Who was saying all summer that Sarver is still a pain in the ass, meddles in the GMs role, and is keeping this team from having success?
I forget who that was
I forget who that was
Sarver is threatening to move the Suns to Seattle or Las Vegas
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Does anybody like Robert Sarver owning the Suns? I think not.
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Very, very few.
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There’s nothing that I would want more for Christmas than to watch this happen.
I actually wouldn’t want anything ever for Christmas if I got the opportunity to watch this live.
Matt Barnes would’ve become an Arizona hero for doing this.
Is the arena really that bad? It's only 25 years old!
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Several of us. I believe you’re referencing the McD firing thread, in which several posters characterized Sarver as having improved as an owner. Those feelings didn’t last long.
with a major reno 15 years ago
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Sarver needs to be forced to sell. NBA needs to fabricate something if they must to get this guy out of ownership. He’s an embarrassment not just to the city of Phoenix and state of Arizona but also to the league!
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Even some Sonics fans would rather not have a team than have a team that’s owned by Robert Sarver.
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How long did Charlotte go without a team? How long has Seattle been without a team even though it has a bright shiny new arena just sitting there waiting? If this happens, I might as well just give up on the NBA because we are not getting a new team before I die. Any of you over 45 or so would be in the same boat. Maybe in 20 years we get a team, but by that time who in this market would even care about the NBA anymore?
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I have a questions. Are the renovations just benefiting the Suns (they play there 40 something times a year) or will it also benefit the other events held there?
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I am very politically conservative. I am very much anti-tax. But yes, it does need a renovation. Any arena after 25 years will need an update. Honestly, a $250 million renovation is getting off pretty cheap IMO. If you are a property owner, you have an obligation to keep that property in appropriate condition for its intended use. In another lifetime I was in the the commercial property business. The city of Phoenix has two alternatives. Update the facility (and a 50/50 partnership in the update would be a very good deal for the city) or sell the facility to someone who will update it.
This is in no way a defense of Sarver. He is a bad owner and threatening to move makes his position worse, not better. His timing is also horrible. They really need a better PR campaign for this.
Sarver should run some sort of campaign that says "I will put up $125 million" we are asking the city to match that. Right now he wants to cover 1/3 with the city covering 2/3. Most property owners know that when your tenant offers to go 50/50 on a cost effective upgrade, its a good deal.
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Even if it is a negotiating tactic, it is sacrilegious for him to make moving the Suns an issue, especially naming specific cities.
Even worse, Sarver has now backed himself into a corner and, to save face, might have to pursue a move now that he has threatened it.
A person should never make an idle threat they are not prepared to back up. This adds "terrible negotiator" to the other skills he lacks.
How many times have I posted that he would resort to this? He just can't see beyond the end of his nose.
Personally, I am glad Sarver has gone this far. Adam Silver needs to not just step in, he needs to influence his removal as Managing General Partner.
Robert Sarver has been *, and is, an embarrassment to the Suns and the NBA.
* I am looking forward to Sarver being a has-been.
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Gambo just said that if people would vote for an upgrade if Sarver was not part of the team.
If someone can actually make that case to the board of Governors, maybe BC's pipe dream would have some legs. I wonder if the City Counsel could do that. We approve the upgrade with the condition that Robert Sarver is replaced as the Managing General Partner. He can remain an owner, he just cannot remain the managing owner. If it does go to a referendum, the proposition would have a lot more chance of passing.
If someone can actually make that case to the board of Governors, maybe BC's pipe dream would have some legs. I wonder if the City Counsel could do that. We approve the upgrade with the condition that Robert Sarver is replaced as the Managing General Partner. He can remain an owner, he just cannot remain the managing owner. If it does go to a referendum, the proposition would have a lot more chance of passing.
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Except the arena had renovations done just 15 years ago
http://www.nba.com/suns/news/azcentral_031027.html
So no, it hasn’t been 25 years.
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A few of us, Chris. A few of us.
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Have you been there recently? It is one of the worst venues in the league right now. The fact that it was renovated after ten years, and now its been 15 is further proof that it is outdated in many ways.
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Sarver is an ass.
He's trying to be slick as getting this through right after an election with a lame duck mayor is his best shot - however, worth light being shed it may not get done
He doesn't have the clout to get a deal in another city.
The danger for the local market isn't Sarver moving the team, it's in him selling the team.
If a guy like Chris Hansen buys it, the team would be gone.
That script exists.
I don't think Sarver would push aside his ego enough to sell. However, he also does have the temperament to throw a fit - he's clearly not a liked member of the club and could just want to cash out if he doesn't get his way
There needs to be a smarter way to handle these items.
Just to clear up some misconception on the situation in Seattle, the building wasn't unsafe. Not even close.
The arena was closed for over a year as a $90m+ remodel took place - including over $70m in public funds
Stern praised the building in '95 & '96 as being state of the art and a fantastic venue
Only problem was, right after that more arenas were built/upgraded with a focus on suites, hospitality, etc.
Schultz wanted that and he also wanted more favorable split on the money from suites, which was shared with the city.
Around 7-8 years after the public gave over $70m to the sonics and right after funding for two arenas for the Mariners and Seahawks/Sounders/expo center there was push back and fatigue to schultz demanding an additional $220m in public funds
He wasn't a liked owner, had moved popular players and didn't get along with the players, other owners or his own staff.
He was used to demanding things and getting them and the city was willing to offer something realistic and not his plan
He just burned out of it all and sold the team 5 years after buying it. 10 years after the remodel the team was as good as gone
He's trying to be slick as getting this through right after an election with a lame duck mayor is his best shot - however, worth light being shed it may not get done
He doesn't have the clout to get a deal in another city.
The danger for the local market isn't Sarver moving the team, it's in him selling the team.
If a guy like Chris Hansen buys it, the team would be gone.
That script exists.
I don't think Sarver would push aside his ego enough to sell. However, he also does have the temperament to throw a fit - he's clearly not a liked member of the club and could just want to cash out if he doesn't get his way
There needs to be a smarter way to handle these items.
Just to clear up some misconception on the situation in Seattle, the building wasn't unsafe. Not even close.
The arena was closed for over a year as a $90m+ remodel took place - including over $70m in public funds
Stern praised the building in '95 & '96 as being state of the art and a fantastic venue
Only problem was, right after that more arenas were built/upgraded with a focus on suites, hospitality, etc.
Schultz wanted that and he also wanted more favorable split on the money from suites, which was shared with the city.
Around 7-8 years after the public gave over $70m to the sonics and right after funding for two arenas for the Mariners and Seahawks/Sounders/expo center there was push back and fatigue to schultz demanding an additional $220m in public funds
He wasn't a liked owner, had moved popular players and didn't get along with the players, other owners or his own staff.
He was used to demanding things and getting them and the city was willing to offer something realistic and not his plan
He just burned out of it all and sold the team 5 years after buying it. 10 years after the remodel the team was as good as gone
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Well this is one way to make national news.
https://deadspin.com/suns-owner-robert-sarver-threatens-to-move-the-team-if-1831051834
https://deadspin.com/suns-owner-robert-sarver-threatens-to-move-the-team-if-1831051834
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Goran Dragic and Steve Nash are pretty big names.
Not saying they are right, just saying he hasn't had nothing but detractors.
next game is tomorrow night, on national television on TNT. i hope they do this, and i hope the TV mics pick it up. then i hope the announcers let the sound of that roll for a solid 15 seconds and reply with "enough said."
