Sarver is threatening to move the Suns to Seattle or Las Vegas

[1Sun]

Hope they resolve it quick. This BS certainly won't help attract players.

Seems like this threat is the exact opposite of what Sarver should have done, so I guess we should not be surprised. He will need public support for this project and this won't help.

Having said that, the fact the city is thinking of not renovating shows they are idiots. I'm sure a break down of the revenue generated by the arena will offset the cost of the remodel. The suns are only part of the equation. There are numerous events and other things to consider.

How about this for the ultimate F-you to Sarver from the City: Instead of renovating the arena for the Suns, convert it into a hockey arena to keep the Coyotes from relocating to Houston.

 

[AzStevenCal]

would be such a slap in the face to sarver if seattle came out and said they didn't want the suns, but an expansion team. bye bye leverage

People keep saying, wait for an expansion team but it's not going to happen. The league has an unbelievable TV deal right now that is making every owner stupid rich. Not a single one of them would agree to cutting that pie into one more piece so there will be no serious discussions about expansion until at least 2025 and it will take several years from then to make it actually happen. If we lose this franchise it will be a very long time until we get one. I don't know if Seattle would ever get another team if they turned down a franchise willing to move there.

 

[95pro]

This just went national. The vote postponement is on ESPN. I hope the narrative turns to Sarver and his destruction of one of the most successful franchises in pro sports.


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Its been all over NBA radio since early afternoon. The NBA is aware, now with ESPN more of the casual fans know now.

 

[BC867]

Considering this turn of events and Sarver bringing it to a head in his own clumsy way, I am dropping another letter in the mail to Jerry in response to his response.

Urging him to get involved behind the scenes.

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[Western Font]

Having said that, the fact the city is thinking of not renovating shows they are idiots. I'm sure a break down of the revenue generated by the arena will offset the cost of the remodel. The suns are only part of the equation. There are numerous events and other things to consider.

I would love to see that breakdown, because I’m inclined to be sure the other way. Or rather, sure that the cost to the city might be reimbursed over time, but the city won’t be a profit partner or share in the valuation of the franchise.

There aren’t THAT many other events at the arena, eapecially in peak tourist season during the NBA schedule. Forbes values the Suns at almost 1.3 billion. Why can’t the Suns finance it over time rather than the city? Rhetorical question, honestly. I just find it absurd how we’ve subsidized these things.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This just went national. The vote postponement is on ESPN. I hope the narrative turns to Sarver and his destruction of one of the most successful franchises in pro sports.


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I hope the crew tomorrow night on the TNT pre and postgame just ROAST his ass. And I hope one of the sideline reporters tries to get an on camera interview with Sarver to shame his ass.

 

[1Sun]

Considering this turn of events and Sarver bringing it to a head in his own clumsy way, I am dropping another letter in the mail to Jerry in response to his response.

Urging him to get involved behind the scenes.

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Nice sentiment, but I assure you Sarver's co-investors are not questioning his behavior at all.

 

[Bufalay]

Does anybody like Robert Sarver?.

Probably not

 

[Bufalay]

I am very politically conservative. I am very much anti-tax. But yes, it does need a renovation. Any arena after 25 years will need an update. Honestly, a $250 million renovation is getting off pretty cheap IMO. If you are a property owner, you have an obligation to keep that property in appropriate condition for its intended use. In another lifetime I was in the the commercial property business. The city of Phoenix has two alternatives. Update the facility (and a 50/50 partnership in the update would be a very good deal for the city) or sell the facility to someone who will update it.

This is in no way a defense of Sarver. He is a bad owner and threatening to move makes his position worse, not better. His timing is also horrible. They really need a better PR campaign for this.

Sarver should run some sort of campaign that says "I will put up $125 million" we are asking the city to match that. Right now he wants to cover 1/3 with the city covering 2/3. Most property owners know that when your tenant offers to go 50/50 on a cost effective upgrade, its a good deal.

Taxes are only good if they benefit rich people is not the “anti-conservative” position you think it is.

 

[BC867]

Nice sentiment, but I assure you Sarver's co-investors are not questioning his behavior at all.

Which is why I am hoping that Jerry will get involved behind the scenes, if he isn't already, especially since Sarver was his legacy.

 

[1Sun]

Which is why I am hoping that Jerry will get involved behind the scenes, if he isn't already, especially since Sarver was his legacy.

I was just referencing the point in your letter to Jerry Colangelo that you hear that Sarver's co-investors are beginning to question Sarver's behavior. I can confirm unequivocally that this isn't the case. IM me, and I'll tell you how, if you're interested.

 

[Superbone]

Who was saying all summer that Sarver is still a pain in the ass, meddles in the GMs role, and is keeping this team from having success?

I forget who that was

Everybody?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Everybody?

go back and read the McD fired thread again. You'll find a very vocal group of people saying saying Sarver's meddling in the GM role was obviously a thing of the past because he said so on the radio and anyone who didn't believe that were haters who had been conned by the cabal of evil ESPN journalists who were just haters as well.

 

[az jam]

I can live without a home town NBA basketball team, in fact I'm doing it now. Sarver is a nasty SOB. He has ruined the franchise. No way should Phoenix give him the $150 Million.

 

[JCSunsfan]

go back and read the McD fired thread again. You'll find a very vocal group of people saying saying Sarver's meddling in the GM role was obviously a thing of the past because he said so on the radio and anyone who didn't believe that were haters who had been conned by the cabal of evil ESPN journalists who were just haters as well.

We were hoping.

 

[Chaplin]

go back and read the McD fired thread again. You'll find a very vocal group of people saying saying Sarver's meddling in the GM role was obviously a thing of the past because he said so on the radio and anyone who didn't believe that were haters who had been conned by the cabal of evil ESPN journalists who were just haters as well.

Even with this latest debacle, which is about the arena and where the team plays, it doesn’t support the theory that Sarver and not McD has put us in our current on-court state.

 

[BC867]

Even with this latest debacle, which is about the arena and where the team plays, it doesn’t support the theory that Sarver and not McD has put us in our current on-court state.

This has been answered before. Sarver hires General Managers (and Managers) without the credentials to stand up to his micro-managing. Sarver calls the shots.

Highlighted by the revelation from another team's General Manager that he undermined McDonough by shouting instruction to him while they were on the phone. That is intimidation of his employees.

And that Sarver has overridden his GM on potential trades. He is reduced the GM position to Assistant, which exists even more with Jones, who has only a fill-in half title and no previous experience. Just what Sarver wants.

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

None of what has been said is outside of his role as owner/managing partner. I have no love lost for Sarver but the mentality in this thread is a little over the top. If your neighbors tried to bully you out of your home because they didn't like the way you cut your grass, while not outside the HOA requirements, would you just sell and leave? Or tell them to pound sand?

He is obviously ruining his own product, but that is not illegal. Perhaps we should instead crowd-fund a solid GM?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Even with this latest debacle, which is about the arena and where the team plays, it doesn’t support the theory that Sarver and not McD has put us in our current on-court state.

Willing to bet they both had their arms in it up to their shoulders.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Even with this latest debacle, which is about the arena and where the team plays, it doesn’t support the theory that Sarver and not McD has put us in our current on-court state.

Sarver killing the trade for SGA absolutely supports that theory and is probably exactly what happened.

 

[BC867]

Al: "Yeah, Robert, there goes the last plane load to Las Vegas.
Time for me to retire."

Robert: "Buh-bye, Al."

Al (under his breath): "I never did like that S.O.B,"

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[1tinsoldier]

None of what has been said is outside of his role as owner/managing partner. I have no love lost for Sarver but the mentality in this thread is a little over the top. If your neighbors tried to bully you out of your home because they didn't like the way you cut your grass, while not outside the HOA requirements, would you just sell and leave? Or tell them to pound sand?

He is obviously ruining his own product, but that is not illegal.

yes, but this is not only his "home" or his product. it is also the NBA's product and the city's/community's product
especially when the taxpayers subsidize the arena

i'm not saying we can change anything
but we can surely have our say

 

[azsouthendzone]

How long did Charlotte go without a team? How long has Seattle been without a team even though it has a bright shiny new arena just sitting there waiting? If this happens, I might as well just give up on the NBA because we are not getting a new team before I die. Any of you over 45 or so would be in the same boat. Maybe in 20 years we get a team, but by that time who in this market would even care about the NBA anymore?

Start watching other teams. Pick another

And again, with approval from the leagues Governors. It would be a PR nightmare for the NBA if they voted to allow the team to move. I wouldn't see that as even a possibility until Jerry Colangelo passes away.

PR nightmare? I think you are overvaluing the importance of the Phoenix Suns to the NBA landscape. You act as if this is the Lakers, Bulls, or Knicks. Its the Suns. The team with zero rings. They mean a lot to old time Phoenix residents but not to the average NBA fan, or even the transplant Arizona NBA fan. It especially doesn't matter to NBA owners who know they will make a killing in Las Vegas and Seattle.

 

[sdscard4]

From 1969 to 2010 we were what 5th in Wins?

 

[AZ Native]

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I'm not sure that answers my question. Maybe I am missing something.