Scouting 2014 Cardinal Draft Prospects

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I thought I would start a thread where all of us could chime in on prospects that we have seen a great deal of. For example, I would be very interested in Cbus' take on the various OSU prospects, particularly 34OLB Ryan Shazier (I really like what I've seen from this kid), RB Carlos Hyde, T Jack Mewhort, C Corey Linsley, CB Bradley Roby and S C.J. Barnett.

As for my Boston College Eagles whom you can see play Arizona next Tuesday at 12:30 EDT, here are my notes on their prospects who could be of interest to Steve Keim and the Cardinals' scouts.

1. RB Andre Williams (6-0, 220). Led the nation in rushing and although I do not have a confirmed stat on this I am reasonably sure Williams also led the nation in yards after contact. That's the thing with Williams---he is very tough to bring down on first contact. The other impressive thing is that he has a knack for running to daylight.

When you look at him run, he doesn't look as fluid as a runner like Matt Forte, for example. Williams runs like a duck---a very fast and powerful duck at that. However, what that does for him is that it creates tremendous balance and is the reason why he is able to deliver such big hits on tacklers and still keep his feet moving. He maintains such a textbook low center of gravity which prevents tacklers from getting clear shots at his legs.

When he sees daylight he exploded through it. I have never seen so many big chunk runs from a RB in one season---and at the biggest of times, like late in the 4th quarter in a tie game. And watch out for his stiff-arm. He knocks tacklers down with it.

Outstanding character. Consummate teammate. Very humble. Blue collar all the way.

2. LT Matt Patchan (6-6, 290). A 5th year eligible transfer from the U of Florida. One of the main reasons why Andre Williams led the nation in rushing. Talk about blue collar. Patchan has the combination of length and strength to open up big holes on the left side.

Doesn't have the niftiest of footwork in pass pro, but he sets up quickly and has such good hand position, that he delivers big jolts on the edge rushers, ones that knock them off their angles. From there Patchan works his way to finish off the block---he plays all the way to the whistle and rarely misses out on sustaining a block.

I think scouts will project him to RT...but the way he played versus the best edge rushers in the ACC (good days versus Clemson and Florida St. in particular versus their very good speed rushers), he proved to me, at least, that he could hold up very well on the left side.

This kid is a sleeper who might wind up soaring up draft boards, especially when teams start watching tape of Andre Williams.

3. G/C Ian White (6-5, 303). A real road grader inside. Plays with very good leverage and sustained effort. Solid in both the run and passing games.

4. OLB/SS Kevin Pierre-Louis (6-1, 220). He reminds me a lot of Adrian Wilson when Wilson played at NC State. All over the field. Tough. Fast. Sudden. Good in coverage. Excellent blitzer from all angles.

5. OLB/DE Kasim Edebali (6-3, 256). Born and raised in Hamburg, Germany, Edebali has had a huge senior season, racking up 62 tackles, 16 tackles for loss and 9.5 sacks. ACC Coaches voted him to the 2nd Team All ACC. Has the combination of quickness and strength you want for an edge rusher. Not blazing quick or fast, because he's a disciplined rusher who counters strength with quickness. He reminds me a lot of Matt Shaughnessy.

6. K Nate Freese (6-0, 185). Has made some All-America teams and was voted onto the 1st team All-ACC team by the media thanks to going a perfect 18/18 in FGs this year. Freese has very good accuracy. Has a good, solid leg and can make FGs outside the 50. He doubled as the team's punter, where is more of a directional type punter. But, placekicking is his forte.

7. QB Chase Rettig (6-3, 213). Four year starter who played under 4 different OCs. Was a top level recruit from California. He throws a tight spiral and has decent mobility. Can get a little frazzled and harried under pressure at times. I've heard some pundits say he will be a good backup in the NFL. With some grooming I could see that happening. Not sure if he will ever be a legit starter in the NFL, but then again I never thought Matt Hasselbeck would either. But, Hasselbeck was tougher, mentally and physically. Not necessarily a better thrower, however. Rettig is more like Matt's brother Tim Hasselbeck.

8. WR Alex Amidon (5-11, 186). Was All-ACC 1st Team in 2012 (78 catches for 1,210 yards---BC single season records). This year he was 3rd Team All-ACC, going 67/895/5 TDs, on a far more run-oriented offense this year. This kid is sneaky fast...and has very good hands. He's a slippery route runner---not a blazer, per se, but he always seems to find a way to get behind the defense a few times a game. Good on reverses and quick screens. Plays tough, but doesn't quite look the part, although when you see him make plays you sit up and take notice.

Can any break down the ASU Sun Devils' and AZ Wildcats' prospects?

Russ---Cal & Stanford?

Mark---South Carolina, SEC?

Johnh---Arkansas, SEC?

Jeff & Garth---Rutgers? Syracuse? Big East?

Who's got Alabama and LSU?
 
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LT Matt Patchan (6-6, 290), that 6-6 and 290 is enough for me to say no and compile that with the fact you think he might be more RT material to teams...no, do not want him one bit. I think for the monsters coming to kill our QB in the NFC West, he may be too small and does not even have the quicks for his size as an exchange for what he lacks in bulk. Again, I'm just going mainly off what you said about him, but that size makes me shy away unless he is super quick in his technique
 
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Well I will give you MIssouri.

LB - MIchael Sam first team SEC defense. Great season but had a bad game against Auburn in the SEC Championship season so I think he slips into the second round.

DB - EJ Gaines - solid pass defender thought not spectacular. He falls somewhere into the late second or early 3rd.

DE - Kony Ealy - first team SEC defense. Over shadowed by Michael Sam all year but very solid defensive end/Tackle. Seen some mock drafts where he slips into the late first round and early 2nd ahead of Sam.

Person to keep your eye on for 2015 is WR Doral Green-Beckham. Top 3 recruit for Missouri. 6'6" 240 and can run a 40 in the low 4's. Only a Sophmore but caught over 10 TD passes. If he improves from this year he will be a top pick in 2015 if he comes out.
 
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Andre Williams would be a great one two punch with Ellington, but that's probably not going to happen. I believe in the 1st we'll go QB, OT, OLB or possibly S if a really good one drops there. Patchan, Pierre-Lewis, White and Fresse sound like they should get long looks from our scouts.

I'll be watching the Central Fla. kid Blake Bortles in his Bowl game here in AZ. So will a lot of scouts. There is David Fales out of San Jose St. who will prob. go mid-late 1st Rd. as well, but was not as impressed with him this past yr.

Brandon Connette of Duke has had an intruiging year in releif of Renfro. His Duke team takes on Texas A & M next week. It should be a good game. Here is a backdrop.

http://www.heraldsun.com/sports/x13...te-returns-after-vigil-at-ill-mothers-bedside
 

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"6. K Nate Freese (6-0, 185). Has made some All-America teams and was voted onto the 1st team All-ACC team by the media thanks to going a perfect 18/18 in FGs this year. Freese has very good accuracy. Has a good, solid leg and can make FGs outside the 50. He doubled as the team's punter, where is more of a directional type punter. But, placekicking is his forte."
I like this guy as a late round pick (we are not the Raiders going kicker early haha) because Feeley cannot kick forever. I will take a clutch kick any day but Jay's freaking inability to kick the ball out of the end zone or close to it on kickoffs drives me nuts lol
 

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I like University of Texas running back Malcolm Brown if he declares for the draft, being selected around the 4th or 5th round
 

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Ya, Buddy! :D :newcards:

Is Grice more of what one would call a big or every down back, because that is what I think we are looking to fill if Mendy leaves. I think Taylor might be regarded higher than we think by the coaching staff though. Brown from UT fits the mold for what we need but he does have his share of nagging boo boos that seem to have kept him off the field at times lol
 

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Is Grice more of what one would call a big or every down back, because that is what I think we are looking to fill if Mendy leaves. I think Taylor might be regarded higher than we think by the coaching staff though. Brown from UT fits the mold for what we need but he does have his share of nagging boo boos that seem to have kept him off the field at times lol

Here is a better breakdown than I can give. I just know he can bring it from watching most of their season. 10-3 btw with two losses to Stanford and one to ND by 3 in Dallas. We need to look at some of those Stanford defenders as well, for sure.

http://www.heraldsun.com/sports/x13...te-returns-after-vigil-at-ill-mothers-bedside
 

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Cal I don't see much this year they never seemed to be on. But my guess is their best pro prospect is probably DT DeAndre Coleman who is one of those dreaded great talent questionable work ethic guys. Bigelow the RB is a sad story without the knee issues he'd be a terrific pro prospect but he's probably going to be late round or UDFA because of the knee.

San Jose State has David Fales at QB and a couple of other kids who may get picked. Fales will be interesting, when he's on he looks like a top NFL QB prospect, but it's hard to project him because they don't play elite talent every week.

Stanford, Yankey the OL is probably the highest rated kid, he's quite good he'll definitely play in the NFL. Fleming is a better athlete but not as good, also an OL.

Shayne Skov had a great year got back some of what he lost from the knee injury. Just a terrific hitter, most project him as an ILB so he wouldn't be on our radar. I like Jordan Richards he's got the size and talent to play SS in the NFL.

Then you have Ben Gardner and Trent Murphy who are 2 of their more productive guys but look like they're just not big or athletic enough to thrive in the NFL.

If I wanted to take a flyer on a kid from one of the 3 schools who unexpectedly makes it in the NFL I'd say Ryan Hewitt. he's a FB/TE, great blocker, can get yards in short yardage, plays special teams and is just a tough kid.
 
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LT Matt Patchan (6-6, 290), that 6-6 and 290 is enough for me to say no and compile that with the fact you think he might be more RT material to teams...no, do not want him one bit. I think for the monsters coming to kill our QB in the NFC West, he may be too small and does not even have the quicks for his size as an exchange for what he lacks in bulk. Again, I'm just going mainly off what you said about him, but that size makes me shy away unless he is super quick in his technique

I took Patchan's height and weight from Phil Steele's 2012 College Football Guide...because he was a late 5th year transfer pickup by BC.

Here's his page at BC.com:

http://www.bceagles.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/matt_patchan_853740.html

They have him listed at 6-7, 300.

Here's what Charlie Weis had to say about him at Florida: (it's 1 minute long)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cssvyAZBvE0

Check him out versus Arizona to see for yourself.

Patchan is under the radar right now, but it wouldn't surprise me if he started moving up draft boards.
 

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Is Grice more of what one would call a big or every down back, because that is what I think we are looking to fill if Mendy leaves. I think Taylor might be regarded higher than we think by the coaching staff though. Brown from UT fits the mold for what we need but he does have his share of nagging boo boos that seem to have kept him off the field at times lol


Grice was a great college player, but he is light years away from being an every down back in the NFL.
He could be a potentially interesting 3rd down type back. But, he's slow for a running back...
I would love to see him succeed in the NFL, however, I would not at all be surprised if he doesn't...


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Question about the draft. The teams in the play-offs go to the "end of the line" in the draft order even if some non play-off teams have a better record, right?
 

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I'm still hoping for either Jake Matthews or Johnny Football in the first round but the OT from Alabama Cyrus Kouandjio looks like he could be a good one. Anthony Barr also has looked good as a pass rusher.
 

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Question about the draft. The teams in the play-offs go to the "end of the line" in the draft order even if some non play-off teams have a better record, right?

That's right. The Cards should draft 20th if they don't make the playoffs.
 

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I'm still hoping for either Jake Matthews or Johnny Football in the first round but the OT from Alabama Cyrus Kouandjio looks like he could be a good one. Anthony Barr also has looked good as a pass rusher.

I'm biased but I don't think there's a more improved player in the country than Anthony Barr. Lotsa people saw less sacks this year and just assumed he wasn't as good but UCLA used him in coverage more, teams regularly doubled him or rolled the QB away from him, and UCLA had a VERY young secondary this year so quite frankly guys were getting open quicker which made sacks harder to come by.

Last year Barr was a pass rusher learning to play the position of LB, this year he's a legit LB, he can play the run, he can defend in space and he can rush the passer.

I think he's projected top 10 on most boards right now, scouts say he's simply got so much pass rush potential they're going to take him high even though he's only really played the position for 2 years. his position coach Jeff Ulbrich(ex 49er LB) says Barr will be a perennial all pro and has immense upside. Said if you like what you see now, you will love what you get later as he further learns to play the position.

I don't see any way we get Barr unless we trade up.
 

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About a dozen mocks that have the Cards at 20 have these names, what say you???

Cameron Erving
Antonio Richardson
Johnny Manziel
Taylor Lewan
Austin Seferian-Jenkins
Khalil Mack
 

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About a dozen mocks that have the Cards at 20 have these names, what say you???

Cameron Erving
Antonio Richardson
Johnny Manziel
Taylor Lewan
Austin Seferian-Jenkins
Khalil Mack

I like Mack, Manziel and Lewan. Have not watch Erving and Jenkins enough yet. Don't want any parts of Antonio Richardson. I have watched him enough to know I don't want him.
 

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The only positions I have really focused on scouting have been OT, OLB, S and QB. Here are my notes for players from each position that have a chance falling to the Cardinals in either the first or second round.

OT
Cameron Erving // FSU - From all of the mocks I have seen he is the player most commonly mocked to the Cardinals in the first round. He is one of the most athletic tackles in this year's class and is capable of pulling on blocks in the NFL (he does it a ton at FSU). The problems I see with him are poor hand placement and he tends to be overpowered at times. He isn't the strongest at his position but his athleticism should make up for that and it doesn't sometimes. He has to work on his technique overall and become stronger especially in the running game. The one big plus is he has quick feet. He's not another Levi:D

Cyrus Kouandjio // Alabama - He is imo the most well-rounded and safest OT aside from Jake Matthews (who has no chance of falling to us). He's just stronger than everyone else on the field. I love how he attacks the pass rusher in front of him. He's great in the run game and has held his own against several edge rushers. He does need to work on his technique because he does at times lose his balance.


OLB
Khalil Mack // Buffalo - He's my favorite prospect right now. He gives the Cardinals everything they need in a 3-4 OLB pass rusher. He's exceptional rushing off the edge and also coming in on inside blitzes. Mack is quick, explosive and ferocious. He is the perfect example of what the Cardinals D needs to be a Top 3 D. As good as they have been this year, adding Mack to this D would take them to whole other level. Currently he is projected as falling between the 8th-12th pick range but who knows if that will remain the same once April arrives.

Ryan Shazier // Ohio State - Shazier is always involved in every single play. He's just a guy that seems to always be around the ball. He's a playmaker that can get after the QB but also drop back into coverage and cover the flats. The areas of concern I have for him is that he can make a great play after one play but on the next he makes a stupid mistake and allows a huge TD run. He hits or misses on a lot of plays and his big plays don't always make up for the terrible ones. For that reason I like him better as a second round pick.

Kyle Van Noy // BYU - He is the most well-rounded OLB in this year's class. Van Noy isn't excellent at anything but he is great at everything. I love the way he plays football because he does it all. He can rush the QB, drop back into coverage, make a great tackle on the ball carrier across the field. He isn't the pure pass rusher the Cardinals need but he is another very good player that could really flourish around all of the talent we have. He is a second round prospect as of right now but a damn good one at that.


S
Ha Ha Clinton-Dix // Alabama - Clinton Dix is the only safety deserving of a first round pick. Plain and simple. Along with that he is the only ball-hawk of this year's class. At 6'1" 208 his size allows him to match up with just about every WR and his athleticism enables him to actually cover a TE which we need badly. From the mocks I have seen he goes from the 10-20 pick range. The Rams will hold around the 12th overall pick so it will come down to if they like him or not. If they pass on him there is a good shot he falls to the Cardinals and I wouldn't mind taking him with our first pick.


QB
Derek Carr // Fresno State - Carr has an absolute cannon of an arm. I forget what game it was but he threw a ball 70 yards down the field and his his reciever for a TD. It's one thing to have a big arm but to be able to use it accurately is where it counts and Carr has demonstrated that throughout the season. Along with this he has great athleticisim and does a great job avoiding the rush or making a play with his feet. His biggest area of concern is his footwork and happy feet in the pocket. Most of the time Carr stands tall drops back 3 steps and delievers a strike. But when his first read isn't there he can get flustered. I'm not saying he isn't capable of reading the defense, I think he is fine at that, I just believe he has a poor pocket poise at times. But Carr is the prototypical Bruce Arians QB. This is a guy BA would love to groom.
Some believe he is going to be a Top 5 pick but after a poor bowl game his draft stock has fallen a bit. With all of the teams in need of a QB though, I think it's a longshot that he falls to the Cardinals. But perhaps he can fall like Rodgers did or maybe we even trade up for him :D

Blake Bortles // UCF - A lot of people have fallen in love with Bortles. I think out of all players in the draft his stock has increased the most (at least up to this point). I think he has the best pocket presence out of all QBs in the draft (Bridgewater included) but he also is really great at evading pass rushers and has excellent athleticism. Rarely have I seen him take a sack because he does a great job reading the defense quickly and stepping up into the pocket to make a throw. There aren't many areas of concern for Bortles but I think he needs to work on his deep ball. I think he has an average arm but his accuracy isn't the greatest. When he does miss on a deep throw he underthrows it which really worries me. His spot in the draft is pretty much the same as Carr.
 
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