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[Card Trader]

Originally posted by sundevilfan99
The Cards did this to themselves. I was for a time, a Cardinals fan. Then they became a team of passing interest as I rooted for former Sun Devils. Now I hate the Bidwills. Please tell me exactly what they've done to earn your 'fandom' besides showing up?

NED (sdf99)

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[AZ Shocker]

According to the box score on the D'Backs web page there weren't 41,000 at Tuesday's game.

Interesting...Well according to the announced attendance it was 40,7?? something. Looked that way too! Oh well, whatever it was, it's still more than we get for our Cardinals!

 

[sundevilfan99]

What that I posted is BS? Simply told you my feelings over time.

NED (sdf99)

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by sundevilfan99
The Cards did this to themselves. I was for a time, a Cardinals fan. Then they became a team of passing interest as I rooted for former Sun Devils. Now I hate the Bidwills. Please tell me exactly what they've done to earn your 'fandom' besides showing up?

NED (sdf99)

So hate them. Do you think I care if you like them? Nope. Do I need to somehow justify why I like them to you or anyone? Again, nope.

The post you made over on Broncosfreak is just pathetic though. What a wasted use of your ASU education...I assume you went there although I think they have pretty stringent admissions standards so judging by your post you may not have.

I never understand anyone (not just you but anyone) who hates a team so much that they waste their time talking or posting about them.

 

[sundevilfan99]

Originally posted by AZCB34
So hate them. Do you think I care if you like them? Nope. Do I need to somehow justify why I like them to you or anyone? Again, nope.

The post you made over on Broncosfreak is just pathetic though. What a wasted use of your ASU education...I assume you went there although I think they have pretty stringent admissions standards so judging by your post you may not have.

I never understand anyone (not just you but anyone) who hates a team so much that they waste their time talking or posting about them.

If I simply hated the Bidwills, you would be absolutely correct in your assessment.

But the fact is that they are directly endeavoring to bankrupt ASU's athletic department, probably in an effort to both gain cash and to cripple the ability of ASU to be a significant competitor to their franchise. Consider that ASU had just over 60K people in the stands last Saturday. The Cards will have between 22K and 25K. Do you believe that Bidwill isn't bitter about that?

To summarize, I post about them because they are endeavoring to destroy a team I love. Getting more information out there works against their ends and so I post about them and about how I feel about them.

FWIW - I graduated in '99 from the College of Engineering and Applied Sciences, now the Ira A. Fulton College of Engineering.

NED (sdf99)

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by sundevilfan99
But the fact is that they are directly endeavoring to bankrupt ASU's athletic department, probably in an effort to both gain cash and to cripple the ability of ASU to be a significant competitor to their franchise.

Maybe you should have taken a few electives in the Social Sciences building.

Of course that building's been condemned (no doubt due to Bidwill's draft day trade) but you could probably pick up some self-help info from one of the kiosks if you reach through the "No Trespassing" tape.



Speaking of ASU's complete idiocy in managing itself and ignorant fools, such as yourself, that would put blame for ASU's financial short comings on a somebody paying rent to ASU (take a peek at some of those logic and sound reasoning classes if you decide to go back), chew on this.

All that has to be done to turn ASU into a top notch school and keep the legislature from having to worry about how much money to give ASU, etc. is to offer ASU to the public. Someone will purchase ASU. That money would go to the state, lowering taxes (if you use your vote correctly). Then, the owner of ASU would have an incentive to make ASU a better school to compete with other schools. The buildings that have been condemned (such as the social sciences building) would be fixed and bad teachers would be fired.

The problem now is that the money is so micromanaged within the budget and there is so much red tape to cut through to reallocate money that the budget is necessarily bloated and misallocated. Get the government out of schools.

Surely a conservative fellow like yourself can relate? Or are you simply going to whine and point fingers without looking in the mirror?


Your thoughts?






Budweiser salutes you, Mr. I'm a Big Ignorant Jackass Guy

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Budweiser salutes you, Mr. I'm a Big Ignorant Jackass Guy

I'm sorry, but this should go into some sort of posting Hall of Fame. Freaking hilarious.

 

[Card Trader]

Originally posted by SECTION 11

Budweiser salutes you, Mr. I'm a Big Ignorant Jackass Guy

Holy Crap......when I read that I about spit Dr. Pepper all over my screen. My coworkers are looking at me funny.

Good stuff S11.

 

[WizardOfAz]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Of course that building's been condemned (no doubt due to Bidwill's draft day trade) but you could probably pick up some self-help info from one of the kiosks if you reach through the "No Trespassing" tape.

With this as a close second.

 

[sundevilfan99]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Speaking of ASU's complete idiocy in managing itself and ignorant fools, such as yourself, that would put blame for ASU's financial short comings on a somebody paying rent to ASU (take a peek at some of those logic and sound reasoning classes if you decide to go back), chew on this.

All that has to be done to turn ASU into a top notch school and keep the legislature from having to worry about how much money to give ASU, etc. is to offer ASU to the public. Someone will purchase ASU. That money would go to the state, lowering taxes (if you use your vote correctly). Then, the owner of ASU would have an incentive to make ASU a better school to compete with other schools. The buildings that have been condemned (such as the social sciences building) would be fixed and bad teachers would be fired.

The problem now is that the money is so micromanaged within the budget and there is so much red tape to cut through to reallocate money that the budget is necessarily bloated and misallocated. Get the government out of schools.

Surely a conservative fellow like yourself can relate? Or are you simply going to whine and point fingers without looking in the mirror?

Your thoughts?

If you're going to argue the conservative political platform, I don't necessarily have a problem with that. It's still my alma mater and public or private wouldn't bother me.

FWIW, in the past year the new president has secured $200 Million in private donations to various schools on campus, so ASU is not completely dependent on state funding. Similarly, much of ASU's salaries, etc. are paid with federal gov't research grants.

That doesn't change the fact that what Bidwill is doing is unethical and immoral. The fact that he pays rent there is beside the point as it does not cover costs. ASU athletics is losing money on Cards games.

NED (sdf99)

 

[WizardOfAz]

Originally posted by sundevilfan99
NED

That rather missed the mark, didn't it?

 

[SECTION 11]

I had no idea it was possible to type in monotone.

 

[football karma]

Ned – ASU has only itself to blame for losing money on the rent –

Most places would have charged a rent plus game day expenses and been happy with that –

But ASU decided to retain the bulk of concessions, parking, etc and also cover all the expenses associated with the game—meaning—they were assuming the risk of attendance levels and the stadium’s profitability. Why you would want to assume that risk on something you cant control is beyond me. This is why they made the comment that the wish the Cardinals would win some games…..and draw some more fans.

Finally – there is lots of blame for shoddy behavior on both sides of this dispute.

 

[cardsunsfan]

The funny thing is in essense the people who didn't buy Cards games this year due to the ASU/Cards dispute are hurting ASU in the process. Don't you love Irony?

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by SunCardfan
Don't you love Irony?

Well I like irony, but I still feel the need to see duality and metaphor. I hope irony understands.


Ok I'm done. Somebody cut me off, or ban me, or something...

 

[sundevilfan99]

Originally posted by en fuego
Ned – ASU has only itself to blame for losing money on the rent –

Most places would have charged a rent plus game day expenses and been happy with that –

But ASU decided to retain the bulk of concessions, parking, etc and also cover all the expenses associated with the game—meaning—they were assuming the risk of attendance levels and the stadium’s profitability. Why you would want to assume that risk on something you cant control is beyond me. This is why they made the comment that the wish the Cardinals would win some games…..and draw some more fans.

Finally – there is lots of blame for shoddy behavior on both sides of this dispute.

You are probably right on why ASU is losing money on the rent - and I was not privy to those negotiations so I don't know if ASU or the Cards even went that direction.

As for shoddy behavior on both sides of this specific dispute, I completely disagree. The Bidwills had opportunities to confront ASU about the signage but chose not to. Furthermore, they benefitted from the improvements paid for by the added signage. ASU asked the Cards to respond and the Cards never did, so ASU went ahead. The only thing ASU did 'wrong', was to interpret a contract the way it was originally intended, and to write the contract in such a manner that it could be deemed ambiguous. That the Cards would exploit that is the unconscionable action.

NED (sdf99)

 

[BW52]

SD99 what is the purpose of you even posting on this board?To piss off and antagonize people.If you don`t like the Cards why don`t you just go to the ASU board and kiss their asses over there and stay the hell of a CARDS board.You are a ass and a troll.

 

[sundevilfan99]

Originally posted by BW52
You are a (sic) ass...

Guilty.

Originally posted by BW52
and a troll.

Not guilty.

As for my purpose. There was actually some legit discussion going on there. The political angle could have gotten interesting, although this is not a politics board.

Plus, I'm curious about what people say about roster moves, Cards chances, Cards attendance, etc. Read lots, respond to few.

NED (sdf99)

 

[BW52]

Why do you bother if the you hate the Cards so much.To me it seems like the only e=reason you are here is to tick people off.You serve no useful purpose or offer anything constructive to this board.All you do is slam Bidwill and the Cards.Go back and smooch SD ass elsewhere.

 

[sundevilfan99]

Originally posted by BW52
Why do you bother if the you hate the Cards so much.To me it seems like the only e=reason you are here is to tick people off.You serve no useful purpose or offer anything constructive to this board.All you do is slam Bidwill and the Cards.Go back and smooch SD ass elsewhere.

I am the voice in the wilderness.

I am the burning bush.

I am the prophet.

I remind you of the quality of character your ownership possesses.

I remind you of their stadium decisions.

I remind you of their personnel decisions.

I remind you of their salary decisions.

NED (sdf99)

 

[Card Trader]

Originally posted by sundevilfan99
I belong in the wilderness.

I am an idiot.

I am a moron.

I remind you of nails scratching a black board.

I remind you that there really is someone more annoying than the fat guy that makes wierd noises in the cubicle next to yours.

I remind you of Gilbert Gottfried.

I remind you that sometimes earplugs are a necessity.

NED (sdf99)

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by sundevilfan99
I am the voice in the wilderness.

I am the burning bush.

I am the prophet.

I remind you of the quality of character your ownership possesses.

I remind you of their stadium decisions.

I remind you of their personnel decisions.

I remind you of their salary decisions.

NED (sdf99)

This post is as gay as the day is long.

 

[maddogkf]

Originally posted by Renz
If I had a photo of a guy flogging a dead horse I would post it now.

Close....

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[maddogkf]

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[sundevilfan99]

Ah, Card Trader... the truth hurts doesn't it.

You bought into Blake - and he had a great game while losing to Detroit.

The Cards have the most cap room in the NFL - by far.

The Cards have the 'class' to sue a non-profit, state funded institution on a technicality, and then 'run-up' their damages claims.

The Cards, until this year, couldn't even fork over the dough to insure thier first round picks.

The Cards traded down for two picks so that they would have an easier time signing them, picked guys who were a reach considering where they picked them (I guess 5 years from now we might say it was a good move, but to date.... ????) and still didn't get them signed too quickly.

And you're a fan of this team? Congratulations on your loyalty.

NED (sdf99)