Season Tickets Available

[TJ]

Just got an e-mail from the Cardinals regarding season tickets. They are claiming there are a limited amount of tickets available.

So I followed up to see if I could get a block of two tickets for the season. The only tickets available are the Season Club Sideline and Season Club Goaline. Both are well over $2500 a ticket.

I cannot afford those kind of tickets, so Im hoping that they will sell out so the blackout will be lifted, which is my biggest fear going into the season.

 

[CardLogic]

Someone in here will know for certain...

But I don't think the Club seats are included in "sellout" ticket numbers to lift the blackouts!

 

[Mrospi]

I spoke to the ticket office today, they did have some single seat $25 tickets available earlier today and some $40 tickets available.....they said nothing lower bowl available..... I added 2 tickets together in the $40 section about row 8... not sure what else was available....

 

[Darth Llama]

I managed to get the seat I wanted this year with the rest of my friends, but it wasn't easy. From talking to the Cardinals, it sounds like they are VERY close to a total sell out. They don't of course say at this point rather or not it will sell out completely, but I fully expect that it will. There is a very limited selection of seats left, so it sounds like they are just about completely booked. I think you'll be ok as far as TV coverage goes.

If however, you still want season seats, sometimes people sell their entire season package on StubHub, you might want to try looking there. I almost did that last year when I didn't have mine yet. Some of the prices were just a little bit above face value, so you might be able to score a deal. Good luck man!

 

[TJ]

I managed to get the seat I wanted this year with the rest of my friends, but it wasn't easy. From talking to the Cardinals, it sounds like they are VERY close to a total sell out. They don't of course say at this point rather or not it will sell out completely, but I fully expect that it will. There is a very limited selection of seats left, so it sounds like they are just about completely booked. I think you'll be ok as far as TV coverage goes.

If however, you still want season seats, sometimes people sell their entire season package on StubHub, you might want to try looking there. I almost did that last year when I didn't have mine yet. Some of the prices were just a little bit above face value, so you might be able to score a deal. Good luck man!

I just got a nice couch with a chaise lounge to accompany my HDTV in preparation for the NFL season, so I was budgeting on not buying season tickets this season. Usually what I do is I buy two single game tickets a season, just to say I went to at least one game that season, and if my friends or my Uncle offer me a ticket and I'm in the mood, I'll go since I live 2.5 mi away from the stadium.

One thing I take in to consideration is that my job requires that I take clients to D-Backs and Suns games with season tickets so I am constantly at sporting events, and quite frankly it gets old after a while. However, nothing gets in the way of my love for the Cards so if I had to buy some decent priced tickets just to watch, so be it.

 

[CardLogic]

One thing I take in to consideration is that my job requires that I take clients to D-Backs and Suns games with season tickets so I am constantly at sporting events, and quite frankly it gets old after a while.

Wow, tough gig!

 

[football karma]

I wanted to add some seats-- when I talked to the ticket office monday, the only thing they had left were upper deck -- between the 30s it was row 15 or higher (out of 20 I beleive) and then stuff in the corners

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

I posted this in the "For Sale" board a few months back but I have club level season tickets that I was willing to split with someone. At this point I am willing to just sell them outright as I am not going to be able to make games this year.

If anyone is still interested, I will hook you up with a good deal. Keep in mind they are Club Level so they are not cheap.

 

[Durango]

I knew the sellouts wouldn't last. The bulk of the fans live out here in the east valley. Who the heck wants to drive way out there to glendale with these insane gas prices to watch another season of could'a should'a but didn't cards football?

 

[Durango]

The only thing you are going to score is a gay cowboy at Charlie's.
huh DooRag?

Never been to no Charlie's, never even heard of it. Maybe you can give the rest of us a review? You obviously been there at least a time or 2. Who's your favorite bartender there?

 

[joeshmo]

I knew the sellouts wouldn't last. The bulk of the fans live out here in the east valley. Who the heck wants to drive way out there to glendale with these insane gas prices to watch another season of could'a should'a but didn't cards football?

Um, you do know it is only June right. There is still a waiting list according to the ticket office and the only seats left are a few uber expensive ones, single seats here and there, and a few nose bleeds that the people on the waiting list dont want and are waiting for other seats. There is still 3 months to go and the single games tickets to be sold in a few weeks. There will be a sellout for every game this season without question, it isn't even a question.

The Bulk of the fans do not live in the east valley. If they were fans they would have done more to get the stadium build over there. Plus if their worst case scenario 10 Mile per gallon gas guzzler cant pay the extra $15 in gas it would take extra to go from Tempe to Glendale 8 weeks out of the year then they shouldn't be spending their limited resources on football game tickets in the first place.

Smack talk only works when you have your facts in order.

 

[Darth Llama]

Um, you do know it is only June right. There is still a waiting list according to the ticket office and the only seats left are a few uber expensive ones, single seats here and there, and a few nose bleeds that the people on the waiting list dont want and are waiting for other seats. There is still 3 months to go and the single games tickets to be sold in a few weeks. There will be a sellout for every game this season without question, it isn't even a question.

The Bulk of the fans do not live in the east valley. If they were fans they would have done more to get the stadium build over there. Plus if their worst case scenario 10 Mile per gallon gas guzzler cant pay the extra $15 in gas it would take extra to go from Tempe to Glendale 8 weeks out of the year then they shouldn't be spending their limited resources on football game tickets in the first place.

Smack talk only works when you have your facts in order.

Great post, every word of it completely true.

 

[cardsloco]

Um, you do know it is only June right. There is still a waiting list according to the ticket office and the only seats left are a few uber expensive ones, single seats here and there, and a few nose bleeds that the people on the waiting list dont want and are waiting for other seats. There is still 3 months to go and the single games tickets to be sold in a few weeks. There will be a sellout for every game this season without question, it isn't even a question.

The Bulk of the fans do not live in the east valley. If they were fans they would have done more to get the stadium build over there. Plus if their worst case scenario 10 Mile per gallon gas guzzler cant pay the extra $15 in gas it would take extra to go from Tempe to Glendale 8 weeks out of the year then they shouldn't be spending their limited resources on football game tickets in the first place.

Smack talk only works when you have your facts in order.

I don't support durango at all but, the majority of season ticket holders do reside on the eastside. I'm a fan and I still have my prop 302 sign and handed out flyers, did you? After Phoenix sabotaged the Tempe site, there was little that could be done. The voters in mesa are the the only Eastsiders who can be called stupid as they turned down the opportunity to get the stadium in their backyard. Tempe was the first city to step up, and beat out every other site fairly. You mention we could have done more to get the stadium built here, and what exactly could us fans over here have done? Not only did fans of Glendale do nothing to get the stadium, when the council voted behind closed doors, your biggest developer sued. The crack about limited resources is funny as the wealth base has long been in the east valley. All that being said, I have no problem driving to the westside in my gas guzzler to support the Cards. I also think that ultimately the stadium is best in Glendale as there was far more land. The area is becoming an entertainment site, and must see for tourists. The only knock on the site is the limited freeways but, it gives me time to eat and drink some more before we come home.I don't know why westside fans are always trying to bash the eastside. The truth is Glendale lucked into the stadium and should thank the Cardinals everyday for turning a dusty city into a must visit destination. As for everything else you wrote, I agree and think the economy and the newness of the stadium wearing off is to blame for slower ticket sales.

 

[joeshmo]

the majority of season ticket holders do reside on the eastside

What is your point to begin with, I didnt even bring that up as an issue. But considering west of Phoenix is the fastest growing area in the state that wont be the case any time soon.

I'm a fan and I still have my prop 302 sign and handed out flyers, did you?

Not exactly sure what that proves so what ever. Being a pack rat makes you better for some reason I guess?

After Phoenix sabotaged the Tempe site, there was little that could be done. The voters in mesa are the the only Eastsiders who can be called stupid as they turned down the opportunity to get the stadium in their backyard. Tempe was the first city to step up, and beat out every other site fairly. You mention we could have done more to get the stadium built here, and what exactly could us fans over here have done?

I guess you never heard of grass roots efforts. There wasnt a single group of people that fought for it near as much as that one single lady did in Mesa. If you dont think you or anyone else can do anything in the political process then you have already lost. It is like the people who dont vote because they dont think there vote counts.

Not only did fans of Glendale do nothing to get the stadium, when the council voted behind closed doors, your biggest developer sued.

Fans did nothing? They voted for the future thinking and growth idealistic politicians that were behind those closed doors and didnt try sueing the city to get it put on a ballot instead of that closed door meetings. We voted for those Politians specifically for the ideals that they hold dear that made it possible. Also want to note that it was the Developer that sued, not the residence of Glendale. They let the process happen not fight it.

The crack about limited resources is funny as the wealth base has long been in the east valley.

How exactly was that a crack? It wasnt a slam in anyway shape or form. It is a reality for where ever you are from, East, West, North, South, Mars, it doesnt matter. If you are so strapped for cash that you cant spend an extra $120 a year at worst then why are you buying football tickets in the first place? If you cant come up with $120 more dollars a year then you have bigger problems then a football game. Would have said the same for the west siders if the stadium was down at Apache Junction.

Now on to your incorrect perception that is not reality or supported by facts that the wealth base has long been in the East Valley. That may have been true 10 years ago but is no longer the case since the housing boom in the early 2000's. Here are the latest Median Income reports per city.

Prominent East side towns
tempe $46,159
mesa $48,106
scottsdale $65,262
gilbert $80,457
chandler $66,400

Prominent West side towns
glendale $49,189
peoria $61,489
surprise $55,571
avondale $59,102
goodyear $66,919
Litchfield park $77,799

http://realestate.yahoo.com/Arizona...SxuWxol4?p=goodyear,+AZ&search=Search&redir=1

Being in the residential houseing industry I can say for a fact that the only city in the area that is noticable much more well off then any other and that is Paradise Valley (Double the income of the next highest median income). Every where else and its pretty even and the numbers show as such. Trust me, the wealth of this state is very much so spread out and pretty even and is no longer located in one part or another anymore.

I don't know why westside fans are always trying to bash the eastside.

Not sure how you got that from my post, when that was not what I wrote or my intention what so ever. I went to ASU and lived there and liked it so much that I lived there another 5 years after graduating, I have no reason to bash the East side.

 

[BigRedRage]

sorry guys but the west side is full of immagrants and horrible demographics, it will never compare and is the reason I moved east 8 years ago after growing up in the west for 20.

 

[joeshmo]

sorry guys but the west side is full of immagrants and horrible demographics, it will never compare and is the reason I moved east 8 years ago after growing up in the west for 20.

Another case of perception not being the reality. It isnt even close to being what you call it today compared to 8 years ago.

Demographics of race is almost identical when comparing the 2006 census reports comparing Glendale to Tempe. Off by 1 or 2% in each category.

Since the housing boom early in the 2000's 8 years ago is a whole different world. I havent noticed any real noticable difference having been able to work across the whole maricopa county area being in the residential housing industry. I get to build house from Prescott to Tucson and the landscape has drastically change from 8 years ago to today and both Economical and Demographics are very much so much more even and spread then what it used to be.

 

[cardsloco]

What is your point to begin with, I didnt even bring that up as an issue. But considering west of Phoenix is the fastest growing area in the state that wont be the case any time soon.

Your previous post "The Bulk of the fans do not live in the east valley."

Not exactly sure what that proves so what ever. Being a pack rat makes you better for some reason I guess?

Your previous post "If they were fans they would have done more to get the stadium build over there."
What it proves is when something can be done the fans out here have responded. How do you respond, with name calling. I held on to the sign because I think it represents a big part of Cardinal history.

I guess you never heard of grass roots efforts. There wasnt a single group of people that fought for it near as much as that one single lady did in Mesa. If you dont think you or anyone else can do anything in the political process then you have already lost. It is like the people who dont vote because they dont think there vote counts.

There was a ruling by avaition safety board. Wasn't something that could be voted on. If the political process was an option the stadium would have been here.

Fans did nothing? They voted for the future thinking and growth idealistic politicians that were behind those closed doors and didnt try sueing the city to get it put on a ballot instead of that closed door meetings. We voted for those Politians specifically for the ideals that they hold dear that made it possible. Also want to note that it was the Developer that sued, not the residence of Glendale. They let the process happen not fight it.

Are you trying to sell me that all the Cards fans on the westside voted for the members of that counsel? This is very idealistic, fiction but, idealistic non the less.

How exactly was that a crack? It wasnt a slam in anyway shape or form. It is a reality for where ever you are from, East, West, North, South, Mars, it doesnt matter. If you are so strapped for cash that you cant spend an extra $120 a year at worst then why are you buying football tickets in the first place? If you cant come up with $120 more dollars a year then you have bigger problems then a football game. Would have said the same for the west siders if the stadium was down at Apache Junction.

Your previous post "Plus if their worst case scenario 10 Mile per gallon gas guzzler cant pay the extra $15 in gas it would take extra to go from Tempe to Glendale 8 weeks out of the year then they shouldn't be spending their limited resources on football game tickets in the first place."
If that doesn't sound like a crack to you I suggest you put yourself in the situation and rethink it. I think durango was saying to him it was like throwing money away. I go for different reasons and never leave a game early, so while I want them to win, I enjoy the entire day regardless. Someone like him may make plenty of money but won't spend a nickel he doesn't feel is being spent well.

Now on to your incorrect perception that is not reality or supported by facts that the wealth base has long been in the East Valley. That may have been true 10 years ago but is no longer the case since the housing boom in the early 2000's. Here are the latest Median Income reports per city.

Prominent East side towns
tempe $46,159
mesa $48,106
scottsdale $65,262
gilbert $80,457
chandler $66,400

Prominent West side towns
glendale $49,189
peoria $61,489
surprise $55,571
avondale $59,102
goodyear $66,919
Litchfield park $77,799

http://realestate.yahoo.com/Arizona...SxuWxol4?p=goodyear,+AZ&search=Search&redir=1

Being in the residential houseing industry I can say for a fact that the only city in the area that is noticable much more well off then any other and that is Paradise Valley (Double the income of the next highest median income). Every where else and its pretty even and the numbers show as such. Trust me, the wealth of this state is very much so spread out and pretty even and is no longer located in one part or another anymore.

PV, Queencreek, Awatukee are left off your list. I will say that is shifting as the growth heads west and will most likely even out. It just isn't even at this point and in your heart of hearts you know it is true.

Not sure how you got that from my post, when that was not what I wrote or my intention what so ever. I went to ASU and lived there and liked it so much that I lived there another 5 years after graduating, I have no reason to bash the East side.

Like I replied only the last part of your post came out as bashing the eastside. As I posted I am happy with the stadium where it is at and how the area is being developed. I was not looking for an argument, or supporting the dumb things durango was saying. I have supported this team since they came and take great pride in it. Peace

 

[BigRedRage]

Another case of perception not being the reality. It isnt even close to being what you call it today compared to 8 years ago.

Demographics of race is almost identical when comparing the 2006 census reports comparing Glendale to Tempe. Off by 1 or 2% in each category.

Since the housing boom early in the 2000's 8 years ago is a whole different world. I havent noticed any real noticable difference having been able to work across the whole maricopa county area being in the residential housing industry. I get to build house from Prescott to Tucson and the landscape has drastically change from 8 years ago to today and both Economical and Demographics are very much so much more even and spread then what it used to be.

The census is nowhere near accurate when it comes to illegals.

Im not comparing 8 years ago, I go west all the time. It still looks like hell, is full of spanish and no nightlife unless you like bars full of men. I'm not looking for a fight nor care, my preference is mine and yours is yours. I am out west all the time and all it does is piss me off and I retreat back to my crime free quiet east valley neighborhood where I feel my kids are safe.

Lease up in a few months, heading back to ahwatukee, nothing is better!

 

[TJ]

The census is nowhere near accurate when it comes to illegals.

Im not comparing 8 years ago, I go west all the time. It still looks like hell, is full of spanish and no nightlife unless you like bars full of men. I'm not looking for a fight nor care, my preference is mine and yours is yours. I am out west all the time and all it does is piss me off and I retreat back to my crime free quiet east valley neighborhood where I feel my kids are safe.

Lease up in a few months, heading back to ahwatukee, nothing is better!

Gotta go further west, my friend. Maryvale area still sucks. I live in the Avondale/Litchfield Park area. Been there for a year and a half and I grew up in Scottsdale/Fountain Hills. Sure that part is more illustrious, but it is not as impoverished as people on this forum seem to think. Goodyear/Litchfield/North Avondale are some of the fastest up and coming and nice areas in the Phoenix/Metro area.

 

[joeshmo]

Your previous post "The Bulk of the fans do not live in the east valley."

I did and made a mistake.

Your previous post "If they were fans they would have done more to get the stadium build over there."
What it proves is when something can be done the fans out here have responded. How do you respond, with name calling. I held on to the sign because I think it represents a big part of Cardinal history.

Pack rat is name calling? I am gald you kept it, just not sure how that makes you better then anyone else like your post tried to imply.

There was a ruling by avaition safety board. Wasn't something that could be voted on. If the political process was an option the stadium would have been here.

There were other locations other then that spot they could have fought for and didnt.

Are you trying to sell me that all the Cards fans on the westside voted for the members of that counsel? This is very idealistic, fiction but, idealistic non the less.

Well considering they got voted in on popular vote a majority of residents and fans did vote for them. Not sure why it has to be an all or nothing issue, it isnt black and white. A majority did vote for them and thats all that matters. Fiction or idealistic nope, I just live in a world that isnt so black and white.

Your previous post "Plus if their worst case scenario 10 Mile per gallon gas guzzler cant pay the extra $15 in gas it would take extra to go from Tempe to Glendale 8 weeks out of the year then they shouldn't be spending their limited resources on football game tickets in the first place."
If that doesn't sound like a crack to you I suggest you put yourself in the situation and rethink it. I think durango was saying to him it was like throwing money away.

It was a scenerio about any single individual having to drive, nothing more. It wasnt directed towards any geographic person, it was directed at any fan that has to drive, since they used to play in Tempe I thought Tempe would be a good example in the dollar figure, didnt know it would hit such a nerve for no good reason. Still not sure why you are trying to read to much into it.

PV, Queencreek, Awatukee are left off your list. I will say that is shifting as the growth heads west and will most likely even out. It just isn't even at this point and in your heart of hearts you know it is true.

Considering I work and drive all accross each area every single week for my job I dont know its true, in fact I see it every day and know it to be false. It isnt a heart issue it is what I see with my own eyeballs in the residential housemarket. I did mention PV in case you missed it, "the only city in the area that is noticable much more well off then any other and that is Paradise Valley (Double the income of the next highest median income)". Statisticlly speaking when an area is such askew of the median it is seen as a aberration and not consdidered the norm. PV is $150,000 median income and about 70K higher then the 2nd ranked city in the area. Using Queencreek and Awatukee only goes to show even more just how much wealth across the area is spread out, 77K and 45K respectivly. The extreme difference between the two add to the original still makes the two lists look almost identical, so I didnt add them considering it would still make the same point.

Just goes to show how perception is not reality. Example, everyone see's Scottsdale as this ritzy place where all the rich people live when in reality that is only a small portion of Scottsdale and their median Income isnt even in the top 5 of Median Incomes in Phoenix and the surrounding area's. The rich people go there to party and shop but for the most part they do not live there but that isnt the perception. Or the perception that the west side is nothing but hispanics and farm land. When in reality the demographics only show a 2% difference in hispanic population from most cities east of phoenix to most cities west of phoenix. El Mirage makes up for that extra 2% on the west side probably. And the Farm land thing is only true for the extreme west side near the 303, which is also true for the extreme east side there is also a lot of farm land, but those are extremes and not norm for most of the west or east side.

 

[BigRedRage]

Gotta go further west, my friend. Maryvale area still sucks. I live in the Avondale/Litchfield Park area. Been there for a year and a half and I grew up in Scottsdale/Fountain Hills. Sure that part is more illustrious, but it is not as impoverished as people on this forum seem to think. Goodyear/Litchfield/North Avondale are some of the fastest up and coming and nice areas in the Phoenix/Metro area.

I know that nice areas do exist, the nightlife however is still non existant. When I speak of the west side I think of 16th street to 99th avenue between van buren and dunlap.

Avondale is a steaming pile of dung also.

I lived in wildflower ranch in goodyear, those areas are still decent.

Those areas remind me of previews of east valley life surrounded by ghetttttto

I am not a racist whatsoever, grew up in phoenix as a majority. My siblings are 13-15 and all white minorities. insane the amount of change over the last 10-15 years.

 

[BigRedRage]

Just goes to show how perception is not reality. Example, everyone see's Scottsdale as this ritzy place where all the rich people live when in reality that is only a small portion of Scottsdale and their median Income isnt even in the top 5 of Median Incomes in Phoenix and the surrounding area's. The rich people go there to party and shop but for the most part they do not live there but that isnt the perception. Or the perception that the west side is nothing but hispanics and farm land. When in reality the demographics only show a 2% difference in hispanic population from most cities east of phoenix to most cities west of phoenix. El Mirage makes up for that extra 2% on the west side probably. And the Farm land thing is only true for the extreme west side near the 303, which is also true for the extreme east side there is also a lot of farm land, but those are extremes and not norm for most of the west or east side.

I hate scottsdale! so overrated.

Personally, the small little town of ahwatukee is the best ive ever found. Away from nightlife enough to raise a family but close enough to sneak out one night.

 

[cardsloco]

I did and made a mistake.



Pack rat is name calling? I am gald you kept it, just not sure how that makes you better then anyone else like your post tried to imply.



There were other locations other then that spot they could have fought for and didnt.



Well considering they got voted in on popular vote a majority of residents and fans did vote for them. Not sure why it has to be an all or nothing issue, it isnt black and white. A majority did vote for them and thats all that matters. Fiction or idealistic nope, I just live in a world that isnt so black and white.



It was a scenerio about any single individual having to drive, nothing more. It wasnt directed towards any geographic person, it was directed at any fan that has to drive, since they used to play in Tempe I thought Tempe would be a good example in the dollar figure, didnt know it would hit such a nerve for no good reason. Still not sure why you are trying to read to much into it.



Considering I work and drive all accross each area every single week for my job I dont know its true, in fact I see it every day and know it to be false. It isnt a heart issue it is what I see with my own eyeballs in the residential housemarket. I did mention PV in case you missed it, "the only city in the area that is noticable much more well off then any other and that is Paradise Valley (Double the income of the next highest median income)". Statisticlly speaking when an area is such askew of the median it is seen as a aberration and not consdidered the norm. PV is $150,000 median income and about 70K higher then the 2nd ranked city in the area. Using Queencreek and Awatukee only goes to show even more just how much wealth across the area is spread out, 77K and 45K respectivly. The extreme difference between the two add to the original still makes the two lists look almost identical, so I didnt add them considering it would still make the same point.

Just goes to show how perception is not reality. Example, everyone see's Scottsdale as this ritzy place where all the rich people live when in reality that is only a small portion of Scottsdale and their median Income isnt even in the top 5 of Median Incomes in Phoenix and the surrounding area's. The rich people go there to party and shop but for the most part they do not live there but that isnt the perception. Or the perception that the west side is nothing but hispanics and farm land. When in reality the demographics only show a 2% difference in hispanic population from most cities east of phoenix to most cities west of phoenix. El Mirage makes up for that extra 2% on the west side probably. And the Farm land thing is only true for the extreme west side near the 303, which is also true for the extreme east side there is also a lot of farm land, but those are extremes and not norm for most of the west or east side.

Cool, I know the westside is changing and the center of town is moving west. The other locations in Tempe were awful so if not by the town lake, it is far better in Glendale. I only brought up my sign and mentioned passing flyers out to illustrate that when it came to the Cards I did get involved in the political process, not to claim to be better then others. Now the reason PV is so much higher is very little if any poor people live in the city. The median in Tempe is bought down by all the collage students with little or no income. In fact if you were to elminate all people that make less then 45 thousand from your numbers you would see the wealthy still congregate in much the same areas. Eventually the upper class will find their havens on the westside probably in Laveen, but at this point it still isn't true. I would look into the number of people making 100,000 or more a year in each city as a better barometer of where the well to do live. Also Im hispanic and while we are generally in the lower income brackets, I don't think having hispanics in your area is a bad thing. ( There is a difference in illegal immigrants and hispanics).

 

[TJ]

I know that nice areas do exist, the nightlife however is still non existant. When I speak of the west side I think of 16th street to 99th avenue between van buren and dunlap.

Avondale is a steaming pile of dung also.

I lived in wildflower ranch in goodyear, those areas are still decent.

Those areas remind me of previews of east valley life surrounded by ghetttttto

I am not a racist whatsoever, grew up in phoenix as a majority. My siblings are 13-15 and all white minorities. insane the amount of change over the last 10-15 years.

I agree that Avondale, for the most part, is not the most appealing town. I live on El Mirage and Indian School in the Rio Crossings area. If you go across the street on El Mirage, you are in Litchfield Park. I should change my Location to LP, but since all my mail has Avondale on it, I guess thats where I live.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

northern avondale is pretty nice and they are going to spend millions on old town avondale - not to mention the future development off avondale blvd - there are some rough areas however

also college students usually don't factor in as residents or deriving an income from a census perspective ....... many still have their true legal residence at their parents home

finally, there is some serious wealth in the west valley - if you look at some of the places in palm valley, verrado, estrella mountain ranch and some of the cusom home sites you can see that it's not a bunch of poor people running around