Seattle gets another controversial win...

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Meh, technicality. Bottom line is that Cam made a great play to knock that ball out and though his teammate did bat the ball out it was clear that it was on it's way out anyways. I hate the Seahawks, but imagine how insanely ridiculous it would be to see your team lose a game to a dumb rule like that.

 

[jmt]

When it happened I thought "you can't do that" and wondered why the announcers didn't even mention it? It was pretty obvious to see in real time. So for conspiracy theorists, it runs deeper. This is crap that the Hags getting another bogus win on national television.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Sad to see a game in the NFL have something like this happen and it wasn't reviewed properly so as to make the correct decision.

Happens too many times and seems to happen to an underdog team that is close to winning.

 

[Osbern61]

Sucks for the Lions.
Anyone remember the 2007 opening week MNF game between the Cards and Niners, when a similar play happened with a Niner receiver fumbling into the end zone and another Niner recovering it? The Niners ended getting the ball back at the spot of the fumble, but alot of us(at least me anyway) were angry that Eric Green didn't just kick the ball out of bounds when he had the chance.
Well, I suppose that would have been illegal, so sorry, Eric.

 

[Cardsfanstl]

In the ref's defense it's not like he had a great angle or anything.

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If you watch it all the through he starts to reach into his pants for the flag but then stops. Makes no sense why flag was not thrown. The league must want Seattle in the Super Bowl again.

 

[Buckybird]

If you watch it all the through he starts to reach into his pants for the flag but then stops. Makes no sense why flag was not thrown. The league must want Seattle in the Super Bowl again.

Yes he did

 

[Dr. Jones]

"Chance favors the prepared mind." -- Sun Tzu

 

[BigRedRage]

so because he pushed it out it should be a TD? Nahhhh. If he fell on it its a touchback and he was the only player near the ball. IMO that should be a touchback but evidently its not.

Pissing and moaning can happen but your man just fumbled on the goal line. That is less screw than our forward progress had stopped nonsense IMO.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

so because he pushed it out it should be a TD? Nahhhh. If he fell on it its a touchback and he was the only player near the ball. IMO that should be a touchback but evidently its not.

Pissing and moaning can happen but your man just fumbled on the goal line. That is less screw than our forward progress had stopped nonsense IMO.

It's a dumb rule and the Seahawks would have been the team truly getting screwed if that flag was thrown. That being said it wouldn't have bothered me one bit if they did call that there.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yes we played like crap and likely didn't deserve this one. But man it's hard to not consider what likely would have been a three game lead on the entire division if the refs hadn't screwed up one call each in our game and the Seattle game. The difference between being 3 games up in everyone and 1 game up on two of our division opponents is canyonesque.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Wtf? They're not screwed if the rule was enforced. Who cares if their LB didn't know the rule??? Know the rules and play by them. What makes one rule dumb and another good? You know this is a game where ALL rules are made up, right? Like why is it a good rule that you have to have X number of players on the line? No such things as dumb rules. There are just rules.

 

[Iceman]

Just hope that the Bengals continue to be undefeated after next week!

 

[Shaggy]

so because he pushed it out it should be a TD? Nahhhh. If he fell on it its a touchback and he was the only player near the ball. IMO that should be a touchback but evidently its not.

Pissing and moaning can happen but your man just fumbled on the goal line. That is less screw than our forward progress had stopped nonsense IMO.

No it wouldn't have been a TD for Detroit. They would have got the ball back on the one yard line with 1st and Goal.

Its a rule that has been on the books for years and every Ref knows it. Yea its a stupid rule that I think shouldn't be on there but its a rule and it was broken and no flag was thrown. That's what people are complaining about.

 

[jbeecham]

So I'm confused... Lions fumble the ball on the 1 yard line, no one recovers the ball & it's hit out of bounds. Shouldn't it be the Lions ball at the 1 anyways? Or was it 4th down?

Either way, Seattle broke a rule right in front of referees & was rewarded for doing it & it won them the game. If KJ Wright jumps on the ball & downs it in the endzone then there's no discussion right now.

The Lions got screwed by the refs just like we did.

 

[CardLogic]

If you watch it all the through he starts to reach into his pants for the flag but then stops. Makes no sense why flag was not thrown. The league must want Seattle in the Super Bowl again.

Nah, the league just wants competitive division races - to drive up interest and revenue!

Not saying the games are "fixed", just certain teams favored in particular situations. . .

Really sucks!

Think the league wants a team to have a three game lead in the division four games into the season? No way.

 

[Rivercard]

his teammate did bat the ball out it was clear that it was on it's way out anyways.

Footballs bounce funny, it could have easily veered to the side on the next bounce. The illegal bat rule is there for a very good reason, and it was a blatant violation in this case. It's a shame for the Lions and also the NFC West teams that the ref was too much of a coward to throw the flag there.

 

[Rivercard]

Think the league wants a team to have a three game lead in the division four games into the season? No way.

There is the flipside though. Why would they prefer a less competitive NFC North?

 

[FArting]

Look, all this freaking talk about the so called "illegal" play that happened in Seattle is a bunch of b.s.! In the NFL, where the best of the best play, fundamentals and basics of the game are killers. A missed block leads to a huge loss on a critical down. Contrarily a missed tackle or coverage on a critical down leads to a score. The Detroit Lions' Calvin Johnson is considered one of the premier players in the league so of course on a critical play in a critical game on a critical drive the ball is going to him. It did. However 'ol Megatron made a basic mistake in football; he did not take care of the ball! BALL SECURITY is critical in the NFL! Had he just been more conscious of where he was and been more football smart on that play the Lions may have won. Kam Chancellor hits the ball, Megatron fumbled, the ball was then "illegally" knocked out of bounds and the Seahawks win another weird Monday Night game at home. So argue the rule all you want and cry about how the Lions were robbed. It's all moot. Had Megatron just been smarter with the football this day would be much different in the Honolulu Blue and Silver world.

From on the line with juan roque

 

[Rivercard]

Look, all this freaking talk about the so called "illegal" play that happened in Seattle is a bunch of b.s.! 'Ol Megatron made a basic mistake in football; he did not take care of the ball! BALL SECURITY is critical in the NFL! Had he just been more conscious of where he was and been more football smart on that play the Lions may have won.

Well, if Wilson wouldn't have carelessly coughed it up for a scoop and score a few minutes earlier then Seattle wouldn't have been in a position to lose either. Nanny nanny boo boo Juan!

 

[Rivercard]

Lost in all this batted ball stuff is that Seattle's offense doesn't look very good. It's basically just Russel Wilson night at the Improv. That O-line is a mess.

 

[splitsecond]

Lost in all this batted ball stuff is that Seattle's offense doesn't look very good. It's basically just Russel Wilson night at the Improv. That O-line is a mess.

Our D line is better than Detroits, and I watched them manhandling and geting pressure on Wilson rushing 4 all night. There is no reason we can't do the same or better with our guys.

 

[Darkside]

I really don't buy in to all the conspiracy theories. If I believed that I'd stop watching. I do agree some teams and players seem to get better calls. Not more calls necessarily, just better ones, the calls that matter.

But that doesn't make it a conspiracy to promote certain teams or players, in my opinion. It's no different to me than Jordan getting all the calls that mattered, and I loved watching that dude play from his rookie year until his retirement. They could call a foul against LeBron just about every single play, just like they could call offensive holding almost every play. Just like they could call PP for his sticky hands just about every play--that dude puts his hands on everyone.

It's human nature. These refs aren't immune to the press and highlights and hype.

This happens every single day at work, with normal dudes and dudettes, just doing the best they can--the highest performers, the ones who have a track record, they get the benefit of the doubt, basically 100% of the time.

There's no conspiracy, it's simply playing the percentages in their mind.

We live in a society now where everyone looks for an excuse, the easy way out, someone to blame other than where it belongs.

That forward progress call against us was crap and we all know it. But that didn't lose us that game, and getting that call doesn't mean we win it either. We probably kick the field goal like we had all day, and they get the ball back, so no one can say it cost the game. The Seattle call was bad, but what's worse is Megatron getting the ball knocked out by Optimus Prime on the goal line. That's a play that will lose you a game 99% of the time.

You have to build a winner to get these calls, that's really how simple it is, nothing more. Everyone loves a winner, and we all love the underdogs and the little guys who get hosed. The NFL is in a win-win, every single time.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I really don't buy in to all the conspiracy theories. If I believed that I'd stop watching. I do agree some teams and players seem to get better calls. Not more calls necessarily, just better ones, the calls that matter.

But that doesn't make it a conspiracy to promote certain teams or players, in my opinion. It's no different to me than Jordan getting all the calls that mattered, and I loved watching that dude play from his rookie year until his retirement. They could call a foul against LeBron just about every single play, just like they could call offensive holding almost every play. Just like they could call PP for his sticky hands just about every play--that dude puts his hands on everyone.

It's human nature. These refs aren't immune to the press and highlights and hype.

This happens every single day at work, with normal dudes and dudettes, just doing the best they can--the highest performers, the ones who have a track record, they get the benefit of the doubt, basically 100% of the time.

There's no conspiracy, it's simply playing the percentages in their mind.

We live in a society now where everyone looks for an excuse, the easy way out, someone to blame other than where it belongs.

That forward progress call against us was crap and we all know it. But that didn't lose us that game, and getting that call doesn't mean we win it either. We probably kick the field goal like we had all day, and they get the ball back, so no one can say it cost the game. The Seattle call was bad, but what's worse is Megatron getting the ball knocked out by Optimus Prime on the goal line. That's a play that will lose you a game 99% of the time.

You have to build a winner to get these calls, that's really how simple it is, nothing more. Everyone loves a winner, and we all love the underdogs and the little guys who get hosed. The NFL is in a win-win, every single time.

agreed.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I really don't buy in to all the conspiracy theories. If I believed that I'd stop watching. I do agree some teams and players seem to get better calls. Not more calls necessarily, just better ones, the calls that matter.

But that doesn't make it a conspiracy to promote certain teams or players, in my opinion. It's no different to me than Jordan getting all the calls that mattered, and I loved watching that dude play from his rookie year until his retirement. They could call a foul against LeBron just about every single play, just like they could call offensive holding almost every play. Just like they could call PP for his sticky hands just about every play--that dude puts his hands on everyone.

It's human nature. These refs aren't immune to the press and highlights and hype.

This happens every single day at work, with normal dudes and dudettes, just doing the best they can--the highest performers, the ones who have a track record, they get the benefit of the doubt, basically 100% of the time.

There's no conspiracy, it's simply playing the percentages in their mind.

We live in a society now where everyone looks for an excuse, the easy way out, someone to blame other than where it belongs.

That forward progress call against us was crap and we all know it. But that didn't lose us that game, and getting that call doesn't mean we win it either. We probably kick the field goal like we had all day, and they get the ball back, so no one can say it cost the game. The Seattle call was bad, but what's worse is Megatron getting the ball knocked out by Optimus Prime on the goal line. That's a play that will lose you a game 99% of the time.

You have to build a winner to get these calls, that's really how simple it is, nothing more. Everyone loves a winner, and we all love the underdogs and the little guys who get hosed. The NFL is in a win-win, every single time.

agreed.

Disagree. Giving people the benefit of the doubt isn't human nature. If it was, everyone would be either an optimist or pessimist. Jordan getting calls when he shouldn't have is/was a problem. It is the refs job to be impartial and call the game as the rule book dictates. If they can't do that, they should be penalized.

I get that refs are human and they cannot get every call right. That is the point of instant replay though. Calling forward momentum on a fumble when the runner is moving foward should be reviewable. Watching a guy hit the ball out of the end zone on purpose should be reviewable.

 

[jbeecham]

I really don't buy in to all the conspiracy theories. If I believed that I'd stop watching. I do agree some teams and players seem to get better calls. Not more calls necessarily, just better ones, the calls that matter.

But that doesn't make it a conspiracy to promote certain teams or players, in my opinion. It's no different to me than Jordan getting all the calls that mattered, and I loved watching that dude play from his rookie year until his retirement. They could call a foul against LeBron just about every single play, just like they could call offensive holding almost every play. Just like they could call PP for his sticky hands just about every play--that dude puts his hands on everyone.

It's human nature. These refs aren't immune to the press and highlights and hype.

This happens every single day at work, with normal dudes and dudettes, just doing the best they can--the highest performers, the ones who have a track record, they get the benefit of the doubt, basically 100% of the time.

There's no conspiracy, it's simply playing the percentages in their mind.

We live in a society now where everyone looks for an excuse, the easy way out, someone to blame other than where it belongs.

That forward progress call against us was crap and we all know it. But that didn't lose us that game, and getting that call doesn't mean we win it either. We probably kick the field goal like we had all day, and they get the ball back, so no one can say it cost the game. The Seattle call was bad, but what's worse is Megatron getting the ball knocked out by Optimus Prime on the goal line. That's a play that will lose you a game 99% of the time.

You have to build a winner to get these calls, that's really how simple it is, nothing more. Everyone loves a winner, and we all love the underdogs and the little guys who get hosed. The NFL is in a win-win, every single time.

Sorry, I just can't agree with anything you've said here.

People being "OK" with unfair officiating & team/player favoritism is what allows these professional sports leagues to keep getting away with it. It's disgusting & it needs to stop.

You don't know what would've happened if we were awarded that fumble like we should've been (either fumble). There's no point in speculating because we were never given the chance because referees decided against us without a review. It most certainly could have changed the outcome of the game, just like it most certainly changed the outcome of the Lions/Seahawks game.

Having to build a "Winner" to get these calls is BS... plain & simple BS. Every league is supposed to be a level playing field with the rules enforced. Just because it hasn't always been that way shouldn't make that "OK" & an accepted norm.