Seattle Way Overrated

[Darkside]

How can anyone claim Seattle is over-rated or lucky?

They've had better success than we have. Consistently. We've been better under BA than ever before, and Seattle has still had more success.

Luck is nothing more or less than consistently putting your team in positions to win. They're in every game. Imagine having a chance to win every game for five straight years. They lose their share of close games, we just don't notice how it happened here in AZ because we're glad they lost.

All those close games, wins and losses, means they're battle tested, nobody can argue that.

So they don't wilt, they don't shrink from the spotlight, and with all those close games, percentages dictate they'll get some calls.

And as for the non-call on Sherman: that was a great play by Sherman. Julio slaps him (non-called penalty) as they burst off the line of scrimmage, knocking Sherman completely off balance and putting him in a trailing position. Sherman's ability to run down the field stride for stride with Julio, in a trailing position, in that circumstance, shows his athletic ability and talent. Whether they call a penalty or not, Sherman has to make that play. If Peterson did all that, starting with the headslap, recovering, trailing, jumping, grabbing the arm... If PP manages all that I call it a vet move.

Calling it luck is a losers mentality.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

Be it physicality or talent, this game is a even match up and will come down to what team wants it more or where the ball bounces right. It might be a close game or a blow out but it does not change the fact that on any given day it could be the other team with the victory... this is the elite match up of the division

+1

 

[NashDishesDimes]

How can anyone claim Seattle is over-rated or lucky?

They've had better success than we have. Consistently. We've been better under BA than ever before, and Seattle has still had more success.

Luck is nothing more or less than consistently putting your team in positions to win. They're in every game. Imagine having a chance to win every game for five straight years. They lose their share of close games, we just don't notice how it happened here in AZ because we're glad they lost.

All those close games, wins and losses, means they're battle tested, nobody can argue that.

So they don't wilt, they don't shrink from the spotlight, and with all those close games, percentages dictate they'll get some calls.

And as for the non-call on Sherman: that was a great play by Sherman. Julio slaps him (non-called penalty) as they burst off the line of scrimmage, knocking Sherman completely off balance and putting him in a trailing position. Sherman's ability to run down the field stride for stride with Julio, in a trailing position, in that circumstance, shows his athletic ability and talent. Whether they call a penalty or not, Sherman has to make that play. If Peterson did all that, starting with the headslap, recovering, trailing, jumping, grabbing the arm... If PP manages all that I call it a vet move.

Calling it luck is a losers mentality.

Dude we are not talking about seattles past, talking about the presant.

 

[Darkside]

Dude we are not talking about seattles past, talking about the presant.

Are you? Here is your initial post, I bolded the parts about the past...

Maybe I am being biass but I dont think so. Seattle is just one of those teams that the analysts just assume are good. They had struggles last year and yet all they did was lose people this offseason i.e. Okung, Carpenter, Bruce Irvin, Micheal Bennett, and others I believe as well. Their line was bad last year, and all they have done was lose the couple good pieces they have. Marshawn is gone, Rawls is out, Christine Michael is filling in admirably but they lost a lot at the RB position.

I look at their weapons and they are mediocre at best with Graham and Baldwin.

The defense seems to still be strong but i just dont know how people can sit there year over year and pick them over the Cards.

Cards went to NFC championship last year and won the division, Seattle did not. All Seattle did was lose people and they opened up the season as favorites in the division. There is no other explanation than the medias infatuation with the Sea****

See their depth chart below, doesnt scare me at all:

http://m.espn.com/nfl/depthChart?teamId=26

 

[jbeecham]

We have lost pretty decisively the last 3 (and all of the BA regime) home games to Seattle, we give up about 35 points everytime. We have a better roster than the Rams, but they have yet again beat us at home. If the best predictor of future behavior is the past, then the Seahawks will score 37 points - I hope we can keep up.

Date Team Opponent H/A Stadium Result
01/03/2016 Arizona Cardinals Seattle Seahawks H University of Phoenix Stadium (Glendale, AZ) L 36-6
12/21/2014 Arizona Cardinals Seattle Seahawks H University of Phoenix Stadium (Glendale, AZ) L 35-6
10/17/2013 Arizona Cardinals Seattle Seahawks H University of Phoenix Stadium (Glendale, AZ) L 34-22

When you look deeper into those games though, those wins for Seattle aren't as impressive.

2013 - Arians 1st yr, Offense still learning the system
2014 - Ryan Lindley was the QB
2015 - Week 17 with seeding basically locked up & nothing to play for. There was an outside chance at the #1 seed if Carolina lost to a horrible team.

 

[jbeecham]

How can anyone claim Seattle is over-rated or lucky?

Calling it luck is a losers mentality.

I don't agree with this at all. When was the last time Seattle lost a game on a bad call by the refs? How many games have they won as the direct result of a bad call or non-call by the refs (at least 1 game/year for the last 3 years). Sure, maybe Atlanta would've missed the game winning FG last week if that call is made.... or maybe they would've scored a TD & won by 5 pts. I've seen people say the ref was out of position on the backside, but there's other refs on the other side of the field that could've made that call. Basically the entire sports world has said it was a horribly blown call that cost Atlanta a great chance at winning the game. I guess the entire world has a loser's mentality except you.

 

[Darkside]

Maybe I am being biass but I dont think so. Seattle is just one of those teams that the analysts just assume are good. They had struggles last year and yet all they did was lose people this offseason i.e. Okung, Carpenter, Bruce Irvin, Micheal Bennett, and others I believe as well. Their line was bad last year, and all they have done was lose the couple good pieces they have. Marshawn is gone, Rawls is out, Christine Michael is filling in admirably but they lost a lot at the RB position.

I look at their weapons and they are mediocre at best with Graham and Baldwin.

The defense seems to still be strong but i just dont know how people can sit there year over year and pick them over the Cards.

Cards went to NFC championship last year and won the division, Seattle did not. All Seattle did was lose people and they opened up the season as favorites in the division. There is no other explanation than the medias infatuation with the Sea****

See their depth chart below, doesnt scare me at all:

http://m.espn.com/nfl/depthChart?teamId=26

I don't agree with this at all. When was the last time Seattle lost a game on a bad call by the refs? How many games have they won as the direct result of a bad call or non-call by the refs (at least 1 game/year for the last 3 years). Sure, maybe Atlanta would've missed the game winning FG last week if that call is made.... or maybe they would've scored a TD & won by 5 pts. I've seen people say the ref was out of position on the backside, but there's other refs on the other side of the field that could've made that call. Basically the entire sports world has said it was a horribly blown call that cost Atlanta a great chance at winning the game. I guess the entire world has a loser's mentality except you.

No. It was a penalty, I don't know why they didn't call it. I'm saying Sherman has to make that play or it's 7 points. Ya'll are criticizing him, but I think he did a phenomenal job recovering and stopping that play. That's his freaking job. He didn't get down and call for flags after getting punked early in that play, he recovered and caught up and was an NFL professional and did his job by breaking up that--for sure--TD pass. In an alternate universe Sherman never recovers and Julio catches it and scores. But not in this one.

If PP makes that play I'm impressed. It's not like PP hasn't done worse things and gotten away with them on crucial 3rd downs or scoring drives. I don't hear many gripes when PP handles his WR's. And he does it...every. single. game.

 

[unseenaz]

Ok I had to log in because WTF are you guys talking about? Ignorance is bliss I suppose but youll see the deepest roster in Seahawks history this sunday night. And I think one of the major flaws when evaluating the offensive depth chart is to go by fantasy football expectations. Although some of the guys, as mentioned about, ie Baldwin and Graham can put up numbers the truth is that as always, the Hawks use a variety of players and spread the ball around. All of our receivers have excellent hands and all are either quick (baldwin) tough (kearse) or flat spead demons (everyone else). CJ Spiller adds an extra element in the screen game that would concern me if I were an opposing fan. The problem has been and will be for some time that Seattle can beat you in so many ways and its hard to stop everything. Still havent lost by more than 10 points since 2011.

Look, I love the optimism you guys have. And you deserve to be stoked (outside of QB future) as you have some incredible young talent (Johnson, oh man) and a veteran stud (Fitz) that just gets better year after year. The gap between the two teams doesnt seem to be much at all and I can see the division going down to the wire IF you win both games against Seattle.

Seattle is 4-1 (ya i heard they havent played anyone, save it K) and has, as you say, lost Lynch, was without Jimmy, Rawls, Kam and that doesnt include the banged up Wilson.

Good Luck..

you guys started 2-4 last season.

why do seattle fans get so offended and defensive over their team? is it the "we're finally good, everyone better agree that we are good!"? I don't get it, looking at seahawks.net for 5 minutes was a major mistake, lots of bitterness and nastiness over there. you think a team with recent success would be less defensive about any criticism of their team.


your profile says you're 38, i find this doubtful.

 

[DVontel]

I posted this in K9's thread, but this one seems more active atm

I think this is the best front 7 we have had matched up against Seattle since 2013.

The ILBs aren't as good, but the OLBs are way better. They are the main factors in this game, IMO.

Not to mention, we don't need to blitz to get pressure anymore.

I know Russ has destroyed us in our home the past few years, & although I don't feel too well with our offense(atm) going against their defense, I feel very confident about our defense against their offense.

 

[Bert]

you guys started 2-4 last season.

why do seattle fans get so offended and defensive over their team? is it the "we're finally good, everyone better agree that we are good!"? I don't get it, looking at seahawks.net for 5 minutes was a major mistake, lots of bitterness and nastiness over there. you think a team with recent success would be less defensive about any criticism of their team.


your profile says you're 38, i find this doubtful.

I dont know why that is but I've noticed it too. Seattle fans are the most defensive fans in all the land. You say something even remotely critical of any facet of their team and it's like you've just insulted their wife, daughters and mother all in one shot.

I hate Seattle week because the Seattle media is the biggest bunch of unoriginal clowns. I'm so glad this week is almost over so I can move on from the "Old people" jokes. I also love how the Seattle radio douche that's with Brock Hugetard always claims that they "take over the stadium"

Seattles fan presence in our stadium has drastically increased since they won the SB, but they are still far from "taking over" the worst it's ever been was maybe 1/3. I guess they are as bad at counting as they are at coming up with their own traditions.

Calling Seattle overrated is ridiculous tho. Besides, even if they are, what does that mean to this team who couldn't beat the Rams, the Bills or the Pats second string? At this point, the only overrated team is the Cardinals in this scenario. We need to win this game to prove that preseason expectations were legit, not the other way around. I'm not sure how anyone who is a Cardinal fan could call Seattle overrated right now. Baffling

 

[DeAnna]

Overrated? Nah, they've won the last 3 games at UofP stadium, and they are 4-1 this year. It is what it is.

 

[Buckybird]

How can anyone claim Seattle is over-rated or lucky?

Yeah I don't get it either. I hate them & hate losing to them but they have a great team.

Oh & btw they've got the X-factor that gives Big Red nightmare matchup problems...Russell Wilson!! Neither LB on our roster can contain him & the Hawks have torched our D for years now. Reality is Palmer has to recover this week with a splash of #31 & were prolly gonna have to win a shootout!

Let's go Big Red

 

[cardsfanmd]

No. It was a penalty, I don't know why they didn't call it. I'm saying Sherman has to make that play or it's 7 points. Ya'll are criticizing him, but I think he did a phenomenal job recovering and stopping that play. That's his freaking job. He didn't get down and call for flags after getting punked early in that play, he recovered and caught up and was an NFL professional and did his job by breaking up that--for sure--TD pass. In an alternate universe Sherman never recovers and Julio catches it and scores. But not in this one.

If PP makes that play I'm impressed. It's not like PP hasn't done worse things and gotten away with them on crucial 3rd downs or scoring drives. I don't hear many gripes when PP handles his WR's. And he does it...every. single. game.

I've agreed with your sentiments in this thread but you might want to watch the replay again. I have no clue how you're calling that a touchdown if he catches it.

 

[football karma]

my wife grew up in Seattle

while she moved here long enough ago that she is a full fledged Cardinal fan -- her family and friends back in the PNW are all die hards ( and understandably so)

it was what i thought was a friendly rivalry with the inlaws/ friends up there -- good natured with little back and forth

Then the Cardinals won the division last year

At that point, it became decidedly unfriendly from their perspective.

The number of gloating and petty texts my wife and i got from the PNW crowd post NFC champ game was shocking --

especially given the week prior not a word was exchanged over the Seahawks elimination -- other than noting that people wouldnt be staying with us for an all NFC West NFC champ game



what is it about some sports success that turns otherwise decent people into total jerks?

 

[82CardsGrad]

Their D is just not as good without Chancellor.

Also, just a matter of time before Russell gets hurt behind that line.

They do have IT when the game is on the line, I will give them that. Cards need to pick up that instinct.

Their defense is 2nd in the NFC in points allowed... Their #1 in the NFL in yards per game. Their #3 in the NFL in rush yards per game and #3 in yards per carry at 3.3. They have only allowed 8 TD's so far this season...
In short, their defense is legit and when playing in AZ, they tend to play at another level above their season averages.
Their offense has been less than spectacular so far, however, Graham has had back to back solid games. Our defense will - as always, be seriously challenged to contain Graham.
If Palmer is hobbled and becomes more of a statue in the pocket than he already is, the game could get ugly. But hopefully, we can somehow run the ball well enough to keep the Seahags honest and allow Carson to work some play-action. The Jets were solid against the run and we beat them down... Seattle is an entirely separate beast though... especially in our house...

 

[AZ Native]

Yeah they beat us with our 3rd string qb and in Arian's first year but we won a couple up there, where virtually no one does. If anything we were beasts to beat them up there. They are good but so are we. I look at the big picture and I like our chances, IF Carson is playing we should win, if not, well, probably another loss.

 

[Hollywood]

I am really looking forward to seeing our pass rush against their OL...especially without Lynch.

 

[Shaggy]

you guys started 2-4 last season.

why do seattle fans get so offended and defensive over their team? is it the "we're finally good, everyone better agree that we are good!"? I don't get it, looking at seahawks.net for 5 minutes was a major mistake, lots of bitterness and nastiness over there. you think a team with recent success would be less defensive about any criticism of their team.


your profile says you're 38, i find this doubtful.

True, and this is exactly how alot of Patriot fans are to. Not sure why they act this way.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I agree, saying SEA is overrated would be calling the kettle black for ARZ who was picked by many publications to be in the SB. SEA are the NFC West champs until they are champs no more. I always dread playing SEA because their defense usually manhandles our offense.

We were the champs last year, so they are no more. Other then that I agree with what you said. Now lets go out and show them where the championship banner rests, and where it will stay.

 

[WisconsinCard]

my wife grew up in Seattle

while she moved here long enough ago that she is a full fledged Cardinal fan -- her family and friends back in the PNW are all die hards ( and understandably so)

it was what i thought was a friendly rivalry with the inlaws/ friends up there -- good natured with little back and forth

Then the Cardinals won the division last year

At that point, it became decidedly unfriendly from their perspective.

The number of gloating and petty texts my wife and i got from the PNW crowd post NFC champ game was shocking --

especially given the week prior not a word was exchanged over the Seahawks elimination -- other than noting that people wouldnt be staying with us for an all NFC West NFC champ game



what is it about some sports success that turns otherwise decent people into total jerks?

Sounds like Green Bay fans, they like to root against my team even if it hurts theirs. I just don't get it. Misery loves company, I guess.

 

[Hollywood]

my wife grew up in Seattle

while she moved here long enough ago that she is a full fledged Cardinal fan -- her family and friends back in the PNW are all die hards ( and understandably so)

it was what i thought was a friendly rivalry with the inlaws/ friends up there -- good natured with little back and forth

Then the Cardinals won the division last year

At that point, it became decidedly unfriendly from their perspective.

The number of gloating and petty texts my wife and i got from the PNW crowd post NFC champ game was shocking --

especially given the week prior not a word was exchanged over the Seahawks elimination -- other than noting that people wouldnt be staying with us for an all NFC West NFC champ game



what is it about some sports success that turns otherwise decent people into total jerks?

It's easy to be a good sport when you are the winner.

 

[Bert]

my wife grew up in Seattle

while she moved here long enough ago that she is a full fledged Cardinal fan -- her family and friends back in the PNW are all die hards ( and understandably so)

it was what i thought was a friendly rivalry with the inlaws/ friends up there -- good natured with little back and forth

Then the Cardinals won the division last year

At that point, it became decidedly unfriendly from their perspective.

The number of gloating and petty texts my wife and i got from the PNW crowd post NFC champ game was shocking --

especially given the week prior not a word was exchanged over the Seahawks elimination -- other than noting that people wouldnt be staying with us for an all NFC West NFC champ game



what is it about some sports success that turns otherwise decent people into total jerks?

So right on! I dont get it at all either.

However, some light has been shed on the subject for me personally in the past 24 hours. Apparently it's not a Seahawks thing, it's a PNW thing. Recently my niece married a Seattle native Seahawks fan and the kid is a super nice, polite kid until the conversation turns to football and then he is a total ****. Like not even in a friendly trash talk kindof way, like it's personal. It's not funny. I was like woah dude bipolar much? He was so angry and I was like well we won the divison last year so... before I could even finish he's like; "36-6!!!! 36-6!!!" I'm like yeah, ok, in a meaningless game. He about lost his mind. lol

So anyways I was talking to my sister about it and she said his whole family is like that like even with California. She said that when they come down and visit they do NOTHING but bitch and complain the whole trip about how horrible Califorina is and how much better the PNW is. Apparently this is pretty standard behavior for people from that area, many of them are super impressed by their hometown and everyone else comes from the gutter, lol.

He actually talked so much crap that I made a bet with him which I now regret but the loser has to post a video on facebook saying "The (Victorious team) are the best in the west"

 

[WisconsinCard]

The PNW is beautiful, been there many times riding motorcycles. Been all around Washington and Canada, but if it's so great why did they leave?

 

[football karma]

The PNW is beautiful, been there many times riding motorcycles. Been all around Washington and Canada, but if it's so great why did they leave?

What I've been told: lots of Californians moved/moving to the PNW -- about the only place to come from where housing is cheaper by comparison.

This makes the PNW even more expensive, so PNW natives people -- especially more rural PNW-- leave there and come here. More than 6 weeks a year of sunshine doesn't hurt either.