Second thoughts on firing Green?

[JC_AZ]

Sign DG to a 5-year extension!

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Please remove all sharp objects from your reach immediately and cease the medication...something has gone terribly wrong...and be sure to have another beer!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Sign DG to a 5-year extension!

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If he gets an extension, he gets no more than 1 more year. That would be 5 years to turn around a franchise. I am tired of the coaching turnstyle that we have had here. If this team plays like it has the past month. You make him a lame duck coach next year, or give him an extension for 1 more year. No more.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I think we need to not let the positive emotion of the last few weeks make the decision. You need to look overall.....

I would bump Denny to the FO. Bring in a new HC. Have him keep most of the assistants (Pendergast must stay) and see if that works. If not then next year get a GM and let the HC fire/hire his own assistants.

Do you actually think that a perspective head coach would accept these requirements? DG looking over his shoulder and his staff, for the most part, remaining in place.

Personally, I wouldn't want a coach, so desperate for a job, so short of confidence and self-respect - that he'd accept these conditions.

 

[az1965]

In general, the Cards have matched up pretty well against everybody they played, except for the downward spiral that traveled through Oakland and Green Bay.

Falcons game was a blowout.

 

[az1965]

My thought is Green has done very poorly for 3 1/2 years. A few good games does not a coach make. Some of his mistakes such has hiring assistants with no experience and firing so many assistance is almost unforgivable. I hope we win out but I hope he goes.

Not being able to put together a good OL for 2 and 1/2 years and taking half season to figure the right combination / position of current OL is also unforgivable.

 

[az1965]

Sorry but Green is a big part 1-8 start. He should have had the correct starting lineup in training camp or atleast benched the obvious crappy players like Step, ALONG time ago.

He has mishandled too many personel moves. He doesnt play to win, he plays not to lose. That is crap.

Right on...

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Not being able to put together a good OL for 2 and 1/2 years and taking half season to figure the right combination / position of current OL is also unforgivable.

I thought that was the O-line coach's job, who, in turn - reports to the O-coordinator.

You can blame Green for the hiring(s), but... figuring out the proper fit is not Green's job.

Our present O-line coach, who is experienced and well-regarded - said at the beginning of the year, that he'd be looking to get the best five on the field.

It took six combinations to get it right, it seems.

 

[az1965]

I thought that was the O-line coach's job, who, in turn - reports to the O-coordinator.

You can blame Green for the hiring(s), but... figuring out the proper fit is not Green's job.

Our present O-line coach, who is experienced and well-regarded - said at the beginning of the year, that he'd be looking to get the best five on the field.

It took six combinations to get it right, it seems.

I should have said "Green and his staff". He is the head coach and gets ultimate responsibility for everything.

As far as finding the right combinations, even you and I can do that. Keep trying different combinations, sooner or later one of them will start giving better results, if ever... what the heck training camp and pre-season is for then??? Why do we need experienced position coaches then?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I should have said "Green and his staff". He is the head coach and gets ultimate responsibility for everything.

As far as finding the right combinations, even you and I can do that. Keep trying different combinations, sooner or later one of them will start giving better results, if ever... what the heck training camp and pre-season is for then??? Why do we need experienced position coaches then?

Well, perhaps you can work out the combinations, and get it right in one or two moves. I can't say that I could, and evidently experienced position coaches couldn't either with the benefit of training camp, pre-season, etc.

It's frustrating, but I'm fairly certain that every position coach, coordinator and Green were certainly trying 10, 12, 14 hours a day, six days a week... to find the winning combinations.

They all should be judged at end of season on the results and that post-mortem, come January, will decide their futures.

 

[Goldfield]

I should have said "Green and his staff". He is the head coach and gets ultimate responsibility for everything.

As far as finding the right combinations, even you and I can do that. Keep trying different combinations, sooner or later one of them will start giving better results, if ever... what the heck training camp and pre-season is for then??? Why do we need experienced position coaches then?

Just about everyone here knew STep needed to be benched. We didnt even need to know how good Lecky was because it couldnt of gotten worse that Step.

Wells needed to either be a OT or C because he was flat out getting killed at OG.

Ross?

We had no idea that Lutui would play so well. But just benching Step alone made a diff in the negative plays. Then getting Wells out of the inside helped even more.

 

[Goldfield]

Well, perhaps you can work out the combinations, and get it right in one or two moves. I can't say that I could, and evidently experienced position coaches couldn't either with the benefit of training camp, pre-season, etc.

It's frustrating, but I'm fairly certain that every position coach, coordinator and Green were certainly trying 10, 12, 14 hours a day, six days a week... to find the winning combinations.

They all should be judged at end of season on the results and that post-mortem, come January, will decide their futures.

I disagree. Step was a blackhole out there by far our worst player and he continued to start for what 2 1/2 years? That alone makes Green a failure. He told us from the begginning the first thing he was gunna do was fix that LINE. It got worse!

 

[ajcardfan]

Bordow's take on Green:

Green’s firing not sure thing after all
By Scott Bordow, Tribune Columnist
December 11, 2006
The Cardinals will not make the playoffs. They will not change the perception that this has been a wasted season, full of regret and disappointment. But will they change the organization’s mind about coach Dennis Green?

That, all of a sudden, is one intriguing question.

Green’s firing was a fait accompli just a month ago. The Cardinals were 1-8. Quarterback Matt Leinart was talking about what a great NFL coach Pete Carroll would be. The rumor mill was busy cranking out potential candidates.

Then something crazy happened.

The Cardinals started winning.

They’re 3-1 in their past four games, and after their 27-21 victory over the Seattle Seahawks Sunday, a tidal wave of voices rose up in support of their beleaguered coach.

Adrian Wilson: “There are no ifs, ands or buts about it. Everyone wants him for next year. Put all of that on the record.”

Darnell Dockett: “Anytime your key players get in a groove, you don’t want to start breaking things up.”

Reggie Wells: “I think for a majority of the team if not everybody, we want to get something rolling where it changes somebody’s mind about Coach.”

In the midst of all the campaigning stood Cardinals vice president Michael Bidwill. He hired Green, and he’ll have a say in whether Green is fired.

Your thoughts, Michael?

“I think they’re playing the way everyone expected them to play,” Bidwill said. “It’s a positive thing. They’ve rebounded.”

Bidwill declined to specifically discuss Green’s status. But his comment about the Cardinals’ resilience is instructive.

Often, teams circling the drain will be only too happy to take their head coach with them, particularly a coach who flushed the toilet himself with questionable personnel moves and numerous staff changes.

But the players haven’t quit on Green. In fact, they’re playing harder — and better — than they have all season.

“Everybody likes Denny, man,” Dockett said. “I hope they take that into consideration.”

It’s funny. Dave McGinnis was considered the ultimate players’ coach, but the Cardinals quit on him in 2003, going 1-7 in their final eight games.

This team is far more talented, but even the best clubs can take a dive. Arizona hasn’t, and if we’re going to blame Green for getting the Cardinals into this mess, we have to compliment him on keeping the ship afloat.

“I just think the team is climbing pretty good,” Green said.

The Cardinals may not have reached their zenith, either. If they can beat an 8-4 Seattle team at home, why shouldn’t they take care of the Denver Broncos and rookie quarterback Jay Cutler Sunday?

Then it’s off to San Francisco for a winnable game before finishing the season in San Diego against a Chargers team that already may have locked up home field advantage in the AFC playoffs.

I know, I know.

Arizona is just as apt to lose its final three games as win them. But what if the Cardinals continue to play well?

What if Edgerrin James keeps churning out 100-yard games, and the defense comes up with big plays, and the offensive line gives Matt Leinart time to throw and when Jan. 1 rolls around Arizona has won five of its last seven games to finish 6-10 after a 1-8 start? Or, and doesn’t this sound silly, closes with six wins to go 7-9? Would that save Green’s job? I don’t know the answer to that question. I’m not even sure the Bidwills do. But isn’t it remarkable that we’re even talking about it?
Contact Scott Bordow by email, or phone (480) 898-6598

 

[slinslin]

If Warner doesn't blow the start of the season, there wouldn't even be talk about Green being fired.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Over the last 4 games, the Cards have played like a 12-4 team....

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Ok, so the players are all rallying to save Greens skin.

I propose we re-sign him for 5 years, with one stipulation:
He is fired with no compensation, if they were to lose any regular season game!

It's win-win really!!

 

[NEZCardsfan]

Ok, so the players are all rallying to save Greens skin.

I propose we re-sign him for 5 years, with one stipulation:
He is fired with no compensation, if they were to lose any regular season game!

It's win-win really!!

I think they have rallied to save their own hides. I think that the players are running that show right now. I'm sure Green has been informed he's a lame duck.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I think they have rallied to save their own hides. I think that the players are running that show right now. I'm sure Green has been informed he's a lame duck.

What evidence do you have?

You being sure, without proof, and 2-bucks will buy you a cup of coffee.

 

[NEZCardsfan]

What evidence do you have?

You being sure, without proof, and 2-bucks will buy you a cup of coffee.

Last week on NFL Live they did a segment....and the only coach Salisbury thought was out no matter what was Green. With Sals almost being hired here....I took the comment to be pretty credible. Plus, Green is acting, and made comments like he's wanted out.

There have been some quotes about "trying the best he could" and "talented players" that I thought were odd.

 

[JeffGollin]

There are 3 games to go, and the challenge is for the Cardinals to finish strong.

But - assuming we do - consider this:

At the 13 game mark - with the benefit of 20-20 hindsight and a few minor winks from the football gods - the older and wiser Cardinals (and coaches) would be 7 & 6 (with a shot at going 10 & 6) instead 4 & 9.

Wouldas and shouldas notwithstanding, if we legitimately wound up 10 & 6, DG's coaching status wouldn't even be an issue - that's how razor-thin the judgment call on his future will be based on. Do we whack the coach solely because of three gut-wrenching losses at the beginning of the year?

Also consider the downside of bringing in a new HC (and probably big changes to the existing program - one that Cardinal players are finally beginning to feel comfortable with).

But we're still getting ahead of ourselves. 3 games to go.

 

[RedStorm]

Do you actually think that a perspective head coach would accept these requirements? DG looking over his shoulder and his staff, for the most part, remaining in place.

Personally, I wouldn't want a coach, so desperate for a job, so short of confidence and self-respect - that he'd accept these conditions.

Unless you elevate someone there now to be the HC. Pendy? Kruc?

 

[lobo]

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It took six combinations to get it right, it seems.[/quote]

class...you have until kickoff on sunday to figure out how many combinations are possible with 10 objects to be placed in five squares....the answer will be posted then.


hint..........it is mant manty more than six...DG would have a lifeime + in trying all the comibinations.

 

[vinnymac]

the way i see it is if green can win out he needs to have another chance. i see schottenhemier retiring after he wins the superbowl this season and cam cameron taking over for san diego. i don't see any other coaches out there that can turn this organzation around.

 

[daves]

Chargers clinching HFA

Russ, I agree with you, but I heard yesterday that as of now SD has home field. Do they need to win out to keep that?

Depends on what the Colts do, they seem to be the only team chasing them up there for that.

Don't forget the Ravens, who are also just one game behind the Chargers and beat them head-to-head.

...dave

 

[CtCardinals78]

the way i see it is if green can win out he needs to have another chance.

You've gotta be kidding me. Becuase things are starting to right themselves doesn't mean the guy who screwed this all up in the first place should get another chance. If he stopped screwing with this line 2 months ago we would be in the playoff hunt. There is no way this team should be 4-9. He is an egomaniac who doesn't deserve another chance. Dennis Green is who I thought he was!!!!!And we're going to let him off the hook!!!!!

 

[Russ Smith]

You've gotta be kidding me. Becuase things are starting to right themselves doesn't mean the guy who screwed this all up in the first place should get another chance. If he stopped screwing with this line 2 months ago we would be in the playoff hunt. There is no way this team should be 4-9. He is an egomaniac who doesn't deserve another chance. Dennis Green is who I thought he was!!!!!And we're going to let him off the hook!!!!!

That would be like taking a QB who keeps burying us and occasionally pulling out wins and giving him a contract extension with an NFL record signing bonus.



Sorry having Jake bash withdrawals with him being benched now.