Send a Message - Trade Michael Floyd

[BigRedRage]

I think Floyd still has value, especially down the stretch. If coaches see an issue, bench him for a game before you trade an asset like that. He CAN be big in big moments and is a GREAT blocker down field. He has value.

 

[kerouac9]

Some barrel-fire takes being delivered here. It's definitely a good idea to toss one of your top-four WRs over the edge when John Brown is a shadow of what he's capable of and J.J. Nelson is still injured. Definitely going to make the team better.

 

[TJ]

Some barrel-fire takes being delivered here. It's definitely a good idea to toss one of your top-four WRs over the edge when John Brown is a shadow of what he's capable of and J.J. Nelson is still injured. Definitely going to make the team better.

Unless Floyd figures out that he needs to put in a better effort if he wants "Dez Money", then he's pretty much expendable. Floyd and Palmer have been teammates for four seasons and there are still numerous routes in which Floyd goes one direction and Palmer the other. With the exception of the younger players, Palmer does not have that problem with anyone else, so that narrows down who the main culprit is.

 

[kerouac9]

Unless Floyd figures out that he needs to put in a better effort if he wants "Dez Money", then he's pretty much expendable. Floyd and Palmer have been teammates for four seasons and there are still numerous routes in which Floyd goes one direction and Palmer the other. With the exception of the younger players, Palmer does not have that problem with anyone else, so that narrows down who the main culprit is.

Do you have a citation that supports this position?

Think of keeping Floyd though the season as a 2017 third-round pick (his likely value as a compensatory selection if the Cards don't sign an offsetting player. Are you going to get a 3rd round pick for a 10-game rental of Floyd? Of course not.

Are you making your team better by tossing him over the side? Nope. You're making them weaker, particularly when John Brown isn't himself.

So, you're proposing that Keim and Arians throw a temper tantrum that hurts the team in the short- and long-term. Bravo. Well thought-out take here.

The whole Cardinals offense is out of synch. Floyd is a symptom, not the cause.

 

[TJ]

Do you have a citation that supports this position?

Think of keeping Floyd though the season as a 2017 third-round pick (his likely value as a compensatory selection if the Cards don't sign an offsetting player. Are you going to get a 3rd round pick for a 10-game rental of Floyd? Of course not.

Are you making your team better by tossing him over the side? Nope. You're making them weaker, particularly when John Brown isn't himself.

So, you're proposing that Keim and Arians throw a temper tantrum that hurts the team in the short- and long-term. Bravo. Well thought-out take here.

The whole Cardinals offense is out of synch. Floyd is a symptom, not the cause.

If you think Floyd is going to render a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2017, I have some ocean front property in Scottsdale I'd like to sell you for 150% of its market value.

 

[kerouac9]

If you think Floyd is going to render a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2017, I have some ocean front property in Scottsdale I'd like to sell you for 150% of its market value.

Why? If we all agree that Floyd is likely to get a huge contract somewhere else, and he'll have the opportunity to play and earn it, then that's how you earn a high compensatory pick.

 

[TJ]

Why? If we all agree that Floyd is likely to get a huge contract somewhere else, and he'll have the opportunity to play and earn it, then that's how you earn a high compensatory pick.

He has to play well to get that contract and a subsequent higher compensatory pick for 2017. If he picks it up the rest of the season, maybe. At the moment, he'll likely get us a 5th round pick unless he refocuses and gets his ish together.

 

[Cardiac]

He has to play well to get that contract and a subsequent higher compensatory pick for 2017. If he picks it up the rest of the season, maybe. At the moment, he'll likely get us a 5th round pick unless he refocuses and gets his ish together.

So what kind of pick or compensation to you expect to get for Floyd since many think he sucks and needs to be gone?

If you want to send a message then reduce his playing time and give more snaps to Jaron.

 

[THESMEL]

Floyd is not the problem, don't throw the chicks out with the birdbath water- We have speedsters not getting open either- we are one dimensional - we run effectively when we run, but we don't run enough- make it easy on defenses.

 

[bg7brd]

Do you have a citation that supports this position?

Think of keeping Floyd though the season as a 2017 third-round pick (his likely value as a compensatory selection if the Cards don't sign an offsetting player. Are you going to get a 3rd round pick for a 10-game rental of Floyd? Of course not.

Are you making your team better by tossing him over the side? Nope. You're making them weaker, particularly when John Brown isn't himself.

So, you're proposing that Keim and Arians throw a temper tantrum that hurts the team in the short- and long-term. Bravo. Well thought-out take here.

The whole Cardinals offense is out of synch. Floyd is a symptom, not the cause.

Right on the money!!!

 

[Cheesebeef]

So what kind of pick or compensation to you expect to get for Floyd since many think he sucks and needs to be gone?

If you want to send a message then reduce his playing time and give more snaps to Jaron.

agreed. If we're really serious about still making a run, trading him right now feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

[82CardsGrad]

agreed. If we're really serious about still making a run, trading him right now feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I might be alone... But IMHO, I think Jaron Brown can step in and provide better value than what we are getting from Floyd...

 

[kerouac9]

I might be alone... But IMHO, I think Jaron Brown can step in and provide better value than what we are getting from Floyd...

And what if Jaron Brown suffers a high ankle sprain?

 

[MadCardDisease]

Lets see what another team would be trading for:

• A player who is not playing well
• Will be a free agent next year
• Is making $7.32 Million this year

What team would want to trade for an inconsistent player who will be a free agent at the end of the year and will eat up a bunch of cap space this year? It makes zero sense for a team to trade for him.

 

[Chainthroer]

That first pass on Sunday hit him in a bad place - "the hands". The other drops should have been caught too. Bench him. Unless we can trade him for someone really good, let him sign during FA - elsewhere. Get the comp pick. Doubtful that we should realistically sign him!

 

[TJ]

Lets see what another team would be trading for:

• A player who is not playing well
• Will be a free agent next year
• Is making $7.32 Million this year

What team would want to trade for an inconsistent player who will be a free agent at the end of the year and will eat up a bunch of cap space this year? It makes zero sense for a team to trade for him.

• If made available, a team with depth issues or injuries at the WR position would look at him and see potential and make an offer. A player like Floyd would undoubtedly garner interest if made available
• Doesn't matter. One year rental for a team who's in contention might be worth it to them.
• Traded salaries are pro rated at this point, so he would cost less than that figure.

You might be right in that it wouldn't make sense for a team to trade for him; however, all it takes is one team to believe that Floyd can make an immediate impact for a deal to be made.

 

[TJ]

So what kind of pick or compensation to you expect to get for Floyd since many think he sucks and needs to be gone?

If you want to send a message then reduce his playing time and give more snaps to Jaron.

Depends on what a trade partner is willing to give up. I could see Floyd commanding value upwards to a third-round pick, which would be worth more than any compensatory pick he would get AZ at the end of the season. Remember, all compensatory picks are on the backend of their respective rounds.

A 3rd round compensatory pick is highly unlikely for Floyd at this moment, and if he were worth a 3rd round compensatory pick, we're not having this discussion and rather, enjoying a season in which Floyd realizes his potential and balls out like he's in line for a big pay raise in 2017.

 

[kerouac9]

Depends on what a trade partner is willing to give up. I could see Floyd commanding value upwards to a third-round pick, which would be worth more than any compensatory pick he would get AZ at the end of the season. Remember, all compensatory picks are on the backend of their respective rounds.

A 3rd round compensatory pick is highly unlikely for Floyd at this moment, and if he were worth a 3rd round compensatory pick, we're not having this discussion and rather, enjoying a season in which Floyd realizes his potential and balls out like he's in line for a big pay raise in 2017.

It makes no sense to think that a team would give up a 3rd rounder right now for 10 games of Floyd (after he takes a couple of weeks to get integrated into the offense), but that a team won't give up a big contract for him when he hits the open market at the end of the year.

What are the teams that are "contenders" that need a top WR so desperately?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Ridiculous, knee jerk thread. He shouldn't and won't get traded.

 

[82CardsGrad]

And what if Jaron Brown suffers a high ankle sprain?

Then I guess he becomes as productive as Floyd...

 

[Cardiac]

A 3rd round compensatory pick is highly unlikely for Floyd at this moment, and if he were worth a 3rd round compensatory pick, we're not having this discussion and rather, enjoying a season in which Floyd realizes his potential and balls out like he's in line for a big pay raise in 2017.

I need an example of an under performing player at any position who garnered a 3rd rd pick 3 or more games into a season.

It makes no sense to think that a team would give up a 3rd rounder right now for 10 games of Floyd (after he takes a couple of weeks to get integrated into the offense), but that a team won't give up a big contract for him when he hits the open market at the end of the year.

What are the teams that are "contenders" that need a top WR so desperately?

I agree with you K9 but to answer your question, the Eagles WR's are not good. They drop more than they should....oh wait........never mind.

 

[TJ]

I need an example of an under performing player at any position who garnered a 3rd rd pick 3 or more games into a season.

The number of games is irrelevant, but there are three trades that come to mind in which value was greatly elevated by perceived need and desperation within the season:

The Colts traded a first for Trent Richardson in 2013. Awful RB whose value was elevated based on potential and need.

In 2008, the Cowboys gave up a first, third and sixth for Roy Williams, who had never caught more than 38 passes in a season.

Not a third rounder, but in 2010, the Bills traded struggling Marshawn Lynch to Seattle for a 2011 fourth and a 2012 fifth.

It's hard to assess exactly value on the trade market, which is why I initially indicated that it depends on what a team is willing to give up. Obviously, Indy was so desperate for RB help that it valued Trent Richardson with its 2014 first round pick, and for whatever reason, Jerry Jones gave up a king's ransom for an underachieving WR. But to reject outright the notion that Floyd could be traded for a third-round pick is silly given how more curious moves have been made within the season.

 

[Jetstream Green]

The guy might have been playing with a concussion after the way his head slammed back on the turf on the one deep pass... I think he is going through concussion protocol right now

 

[Cheesebeef]

The number of games is irrelevant, but there are three trades that come to mind in which value was greatly elevated by perceived need and desperation within the season:

The Colts traded a first for Trent Richardson in 2013. Awful RB whose value was elevated based on potential and need.

Richardson was traded two games into the season and was coming off a rookie year where he rushed for 950 yards, 11 TDs, had 367 yards receiving and another TD. And he was on a rookie deal and still looked like he had a lot of potential. Not sure you can call a rookie who put up 1400 total yards, 12 TDs on the Browns no less "awful". He was definitely awful after, but not before.

In 2008, the Cowboys gave up a first, third and sixth for Roy Williams, who had never caught more than 38 passes in a season.

a) no team is as dumb as the Cowboys.

b) where are you getting that he never caught more then 38 passes in a season? From year one to four before he was traded, he caught 54, 45, 82 and 64 passes. And the two years before he was traded he put up 1300 yards and 7 tds and 838 and 5 TDs in 12 games (which would have put him on course for 1120 yard and 6 TDs).

Not a third rounder, but in 2010, the Bills traded struggling Marshawn Lynch to Seattle for a 2011 fourth and a 2012 fifth.

It's hard to assess exactly value on the trade market, which is why I initially indicated that it depends on what a team is willing to give up. Obviously, Indy was so desperate for RB help that it valued Trent Richardson with its 2014 first round pick, and for whatever reason, Jerry Jones gave up a king's ransom for an underachieving WR. But to reject outright the notion that Floyd could be traded for a third-round pick is silly given how more curious moves have been made within the season.

not sure those examples are the best to make this argument, especially considering Floyd is pretty much baked in as is as a player, while a guy like Richardson still could be seen as young and having potential after a solid rookie year and Roy Williams at least had shown Pro-Bowl level game. Floyd, in an era of exploding WR numbers has had one okay season (1041 yards and 5tds)... two years ago and that's about it. Maybe the Marshawn example is closer, but even Marshawn had back to back solid if not spectacular 1000 yard + seasons before a big dip in his third year.

 

[Cardiac]

Richardson was traded two games into the season and was coming off a rookie year where he rushed for 950 yards, 11 TDs, had 367 yards receiving and another TD. And he was on a rookie deal and still looked like he had a lot of potential. Not sure you can call a rookie who put up 1400 total yards, 12 TDs on the Browns no less "awful". He was definitely awful after, but not before.



a) no team is as dumb as the Cowboys.

b) where are you getting that he never caught more then 38 passes in a season? From year one to four before he was traded, he caught 54, 45, 82 and 64 passes. And the two years before he was traded he put up 1300 yards and 7 tds and 838 and 5 TDs in 12 games (which would have put him on course for 1120 yard and 6 TDs).



not sure those examples are the best to make this argument, especially considering Floyd is pretty much baked in as is as a player, while a guy like Richardson still could be seen as young and having potential after a solid rookie year and Roy Williams at least had shown Pro-Bowl level game. Floyd, in an era of exploding WR numbers has had one okay season (1041 yards and 5tds)... two years ago and that's about it. Maybe the Marshawn example is closer, but even Marshawn had back to back solid if not spectacular 1000 yard + seasons before a big dip in his third year.

Thanks, far better than I would have done in response!

Time to admit it TJ, you were coming from a place of frustration and anger after a crappy loss and now know benching or reducing MF's snaps is the better option.