Send a Message - Trade Michael Floyd

[TJ]

Time to admit it TJ, you were coming from a place of frustration and anger after a crappy loss and now know benching or reducing MF's snaps is the better option.

Admit what? I don't respond like that to losses and I don't make proclamations like trading a player unless I mean it without backing it with facts, logic, and reasons. I haven't backed off my stance 48 hours later.

I was actually #TeamFloyd for his entire career and predicted we'd draft him even before the 2012 draft. I've defended the dude for close to five years, but watching the inconsistent play, lack of communication with the QB, poor effort, and impending departure from the team lead me to believe that his greatest value to the team at the moment is in trade compensation than a roster spot.

If you disagree with me and think that he can turn it on the rest of the season, that's fine and I'd like to see that happen, but his overall resume tells me that it's going to be the same up-and-down play and that he's already dead man walking. Hell, the same people who were praying for him to be traded before the season are arguing with me about this.

 

[TJ]

not sure those examples are the best to make this argument, especially considering Floyd is pretty much baked in as is as a player, while a guy like Richardson still could be seen as young and having potential after a solid rookie year and Roy Williams at least had shown Pro-Bowl level game. Floyd, in an era of exploding WR numbers has had one okay season (1041 yards and 5tds)... two years ago and that's about it. Maybe the Marshawn example is closer, but even Marshawn had back to back solid if not spectacular 1000 yard + seasons before a big dip in his third year.

I was asked to provide an example of players traded midseason who commanded a third round pick and I found two who commanded a first or more and one more who commanded two picks.

If you want another example, Braylon Edwards was traded after four games in 2009 to the Jets for a 3rd and 5th. Like Floyd, he was a player who caught for 1000 yards only once in his career whose stock was trending downwards at the time.

I'm all for people trying to tell me that Floyd can turn it on down the road, but IMO, his value based on contract status, current production, etc. is greater on the open market than on the active roster.

And yes, all it takes is one dumb team to get substantial compensation for a player, and trust me, there are plenty of dumb, desperate teams in the NFL.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I was asked to provide an example of players traded midseason who commanded a third round pick and I found two who commanded a first or more and one more who commanded two picks.

yeah, but your comparison was based on the fact that they were commensurate players to Floyd, while showing stats that were completely wrong and saying that one of them was "awful" when he had yet to become the washout the league saw after he was traded.

If you want another example, Braylon Edwards was traded after four games in 2009 to the Jets for a 3rd and 5th. Like Floyd, he was a player who caught for 1000 yards only once in his career whose stock was trending downwards at the time.

I guess that's closer, but again, you kind of ignore that Braylon put up a MONSTER 1300 yard 16 TD season and then an 870 yard season right before he was traded, as opposed to Floyd who barely scratched 1000 yards once and then the previous two years has been stuck at 850. When a guy has one of those MASSIVE seasons, his potential is going to be much more enticing then a guy who's had one solid season in an era where WR numbers have ballooned.

I'm all for people trying to tell me that Floyd can turn it on down the road, but IMO, his value based on contract status, current production, etc. is greater on the open market than on the active roster.


And yes, all it takes is one dumb team to get substantial compensation for a player, and trust me, there are plenty of dumb, desperate teams in the NFL.

okay... who are the desperate teams out there with dumb Jerry Jones-like front offices who you think could make this move?

 

[Darkside]

I've been a huge Floyd supporter. When he's on and focused, he's a really good player. Not great, nothing special certainly, but if he maintained that consistency when he's really on, at his best, then I could see him being a #1.

When he lined up wrong, consistently, I made excuses for him. Yet he continues to show mental stupidity that can't be excused. He's a vet now. It's not as if he's still learning, he's been in the same system with the same players and coaches his entire career. This is the absolute best he has to offer. This year and the next two are the best we'll ever get from him. I'm just not seeing enough.

 

[Veer]

He won't be a Cardinal in 2017. Great talent, but his inconsistency along with cap issues will force us to let him go. Based on talent alone he will collect a fat paycheck on a bad team. My hope is that he gets his act together as the season goes on, playing to boost his stock for free agency. I'd rather see the Cards spend on guys like Jaron Brown and Tony Jefferson, who will cost far less combined than Michael Floyd alone.

 

[Russ Smith]

Lynch was traded low due to off field issues. Everyone knew he could play but he'd been in trouble twice in a relatively short time frame and people were concerned that was going to be a continuing thing. Seattle took a chance and got a huge reward as Lynch stayed out of trouble and was a great player.

Floyd doesn't have the same off field problems but I think some of us suspect the reason he's not playing well is he's unhappy so maybe there are other teams out there that think he'd be happier there.

I agree you don't trade a starter out of spite and the John Brown situation is a huge issue, if he's not going to be himself this year it's a big deal and then you likely don't want to deal floyd.

I think the issue of trading him comes into if you're not going to keep him are you better getting something than nothing. If the logical move to motivate him is to bench him, you also take the risk of him just bagging it, which kills his trade value.

There's no easy answer other than Michael Floyd for the first time in his Cardinal career takes his job seriously enough to bother to line up correctly, run the right routes, and be a consistent player.

 

[gmabel830]

Anyone hear Doug pitch this on Doug and Wolf earlier this week? Wonder what his username is?

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[JeffGollin]

Who's the "message" meant for: The players or the fans? (I'm assuming it's for the fans).

If so - What message do you want send? Don't drop passes? Play harder? Practice better? Play smarter? (Maybe all of the above).

I'm not sure any message will register unless it's backed up with evidence, and the only way to do that is to put the right players on the field, dial up the right plays, win the freakin' game and then say to the players: "See what I mean! If you do what we just did, you'll win the game.."

Bottom line - Cutting players "to send a message" is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Best message is to prove your case on the field. (Kind of a boring strategy, but one that should work best).

 

[TJ]

okay... who are the desperate teams out there with dumb Jerry Jones-like front offices who you think could make this move?

You seem to think you know more about value in the NFL more than I. Ok.

So what would a team in need of a WR for the remainder of the season offer for Floyd if made available?

 

[THESMEL]

BA likes ridicules', I say the system doesn't fit Floyd nor most NFL WR, the plan is to tell NFL defenses we are gonna pass relentlessly until we embarrasses other teams or ourselves- come hail or high waters - the Cardinal offensive game plan is to outperform your $100 million defense in a one dimensional pass attack. We are Billy Jack and we are going to take our left foot and kick you on the right side of the face- and there is not a damn thing you can do about it!

Bill Belicheck and Rex and Rob Ryan laughs evilly!
they aint gonna fall for a Cardinal in a tailpipe!

 

[TJ]

Bump.

It was very apparent after the first three games that something wasn't right with Floyd, which is why I posted this at the time. It's easy to revisit and say that the team should've traded him before the deadline, but if you paid attention, the signs were there that he wasn't going to produce this season.

Shame. I liked Floyd before the season, but he fell off a cliff.

 

[AZ Native]

This is a moment in which this team needs to make a statement to get back on track and convey to the rest of the team that recurring mental errors and taking plays off will not be tolerated.

As much as I've defended Floyd throughout his career, and he has had some nice moments, it's time to trade him.

He's getting outplayed and out hustled by Jaron Brown, who at the moment should be the team's #2 WR.

Some team with injuries or lack of depth at WR would give up a midround pick for him, but this would be more about accountability than compensation.

Maybe you should consider a career change.

 

[TJ]

Maybe you should consider a career change.

Nah. I cant pull this off:

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