Should Ayton be Traded?

[Mainstreet]

I don't think DOMInAYTON's confidence is the problem if the way he talks about himself all season is an indicator. You can't fix low basketball IQ or lack of focus IMO. My guess is, if we keep Ayton, you will see temporary spurts of Vogel's influence and see it disappear as the season goes on. Ayton appears to be a creature of habit.

Ayton has had his moments. He is too young to give up upon unless the right trade came along.

I'm frustrated with the Suns giving up on talent too soon.

The Pacers have stuck with Myles Turner.

 

[Covert Rain]

Ayton has had his moments. He is too young to give up upon unless the right trade came along.

I'm frustrated with the Suns giving up on talent too soon.

The Pacers have stuck with Myles Turner.

How long do you wait? It’s also a detriment to a team to keep a player that doesn’t live up to his draft position but has the salary of said position.

 

[Mainstreet]

How long do you wait? It’s also a detriment to a team to keep a player that doesn’t live up to his draft position but has the salary of said position.

I think, keep waiting for the right trade no matter how long it takes, as long as Ayton is not a detriment to the team.

 

[Covert Rain]

I think, keep waiting for the right trade no matter how long it takes, as long as Ayton is not a detriment to the team.

You have to trade him at his max value. That might be right now. Taking up that much salary and not performing up to par is a detriment to the team. I was listening to Wolf the other day and he said he has played with guys like Ayton. He said it takes a toll in the locker room and on other guys.

 

[Mainstreet]

You have to trade him at his max value. That might be right now. Taking up that much salary and not performing up to par is a detriment to the team. I was listening to Wolf the other day and he said he has played with guys like Ayton. He said it takes a toll in the locker room and on other guys.

I guess if Wolf said, then it has to be true. Doesn't he cover football?

I think the GM and Frank Vogel should decide when enough is enough.

 

[AzStevenCal]

You have to trade him at his max value. That might be right now. Taking up that much salary and not performing up to par is a detriment to the team. I was listening to Wolf the other day and he said he has played with guys like Ayton. He said it takes a toll in the locker room and on other guys.

Agreed but I'm not sure time machines have been invented yet.

 

[Covert Rain]

Agreed but I'm not sure time machines have been invented yet.

That applies to every move you are ever going to make. I am sure though teams can gauge that when 20 teams call verses 2.

 

[Covert Rain]

I guess if Wolf said, then it has to be true. Doesn't he cover football?

I think the GM and Frank Vogel should decide when enough is enough.

Pretty sure that playing with someone who doesn't appear to be living up to their potential is pretty universal in any sport. You don't have to play for all sports or even be a athlete to understand that. I have had many people who have worked for me completely squander their skills. It weighs down the entire team.

 

[Phrazbit]

Ayton isn’t worth his contract but he still provides value to the Suns and unless someone makes an offer that exceeds that value then we shouldn’t trade him.

A couple role players doesn’t cut it.

 

[AzStevenCal]

That applies to every move you are ever going to make. I am sure though teams can gauge that when 20 teams call verses 2.

No, my point was that his value has already fallen off a cliff. Yes, it can go even lower but it's dropped so low already that I'm not sure it makes sense to trade him. IMO, at this point, it's not much of a gamble to keep him and try to repair his image.

If I were the GM of another team I would expect to receive multiple picks to absorb his contract. But yeah, if I'm wrong and if someone really wants DA and is willing to give us real value, then bye-bye DA.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Pretty sure that playing with someone who doesn't appear to be living up to their potential is pretty universal in any sport. You don't have to play for all sports or even be a athlete to understand that. I have had many people who have worked for me completely squander their skills. It weighs down the entire team.

Yeah you always hear about player accountability and the problems that occur when one player is not holding up their end. And it's even worse if he's drawing a big check. I'm not sure if that's become an issue between DA and his teammates yet but if so, that's a real problem.

 

[Mainstreet]

Pretty sure that playing with someone who doesn't appear to be living up to their potential is pretty universal in any sport. You don't have to play for all sports or even be a athlete to understand that. I have had many people who have worked for me completely squander their skills. It weighs down the entire team.

I was just joking with you.

 

[Mainstreet]

Ayton is still an 18 point, 10 rebound player. The Suns shouldn't throw that away for role players.

 

[Covert Rain]

No, my point was that his value has already fallen off a cliff. Yes, it can go even lower but it's dropped so low already that I'm not sure it makes sense to trade him. IMO, at this point, it's not much of a gamble to keep him and try to repair his image.

If I were the GM of another team I would expect to receive multiple picks to absorb his contract. But yeah, if I'm wrong and if someone really wants DA and is willing to give us real value, then bye-bye DA.

I don't think so. After reading a couple articles and national guys talk there seems to be a perception the Suns didn't utilize him correctly. Personally I think that is complete garbage and the Suns have given him ample opportunity.

 

[Hoop Head]

Ayton is still an 18 point, 10 rebound player. The Suns shouldn't throw that away for role players.

The Suns are so thin in the frontcourt that virtually any competent Center could post similar stats. We saw McGee do that 2 seasons back at the tail end of his career.

Ayton disappears when it matters most and his stats this season were artificially inflated by Booker missing a big chunk of games. He averaged 13 & 8 in the playoffs. He was 15 & 9 after the KD trade also, which should have opened things up for him but didn't.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Suns are so thin in the frontcourt that virtually any competent Center could post similar stats. We saw McGee do that 2 seasons back at the tail end of his career.

Ayton disappears when it matters most and his stats this season were artificially inflated by Booker missing a big chunk of games. He averaged 13 & 8 in the playoffs. He was 15 & 9 after the KD trade also, which should have opened things up for him but didn't.

Trading Ayton for role players is a recipe for disaster, but we didn't put the Suns on a timer. The GM and owner did.

If Vogel thinks he can get the old Ayton back, I say keep him and add a quality player with the MLE. This gives the Suns at least a fighting chance on paper to be a contender.

Hopefully, James Jones is a better judge of role players this season. I want some point guards on those two-way contracts.

 

[Yuma]

I had forgot, Vogel will be Ayton's THIRD head coach. Just throwing that out there.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I had forgot, Vogel will be Ayton's THIRD head coach. Just throwing that out there.

Yeah but it's a Phoenix thing. Vogel will be Booker's SIXTH Head Coach (counting the interim) and Devin is less than two years older than DA. Just throwing that out there.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Ayton is still an 18 point, 10 rebound player. The Suns shouldn't throw that away for role players.

Not in the playoffs

 

[95pro]

I voted no, see what new coach can do. I still feel that way.

First JJ and Ish didn’t give him a pf to work with. JJ pre Ish. Ish post Ish. Second Monty did Monty things near the end of the season and playoffs with very questionable rotations. Third his value is still low, that we will be on the bad end of any trade. We are stuck with him.

 

[Absolute Zero]

Not in the playoffs

Pretty close

Deandre Ayton Playoff Stats | StatMuse

Deandre Ayton has averaged 15.9 points, 10.5 rebounds and 1.3 assists in 45 games in the playoffs in his career.

www.statmuse.com

 

[Hoop Head]

Pretty close

Deandre Ayton Playoff Stats | StatMuse

Deandre Ayton has averaged 15.9 points, 10.5 rebounds and 1.3 assists in 45 games in the playoffs in his career.

www.statmuse.com

It's been trending down each season. He averaged 13 & 8 this year.

 

[Hoop Head]

Trading Ayton for role players is a recipe for disaster, but we didn't put the Suns on a timer. The GM and owner did.

If Vogel thinks he can get the old Ayton back, I say keep him and add a quality player with the MLE. This gives the Suns at least a fighting chance on paper to be a contender.

Hopefully, James Jones is a better judge of role players this season. I want some point guards on those two-way contracts.

I disagree. Trading Ayton for role players, preferably at least one young role player, is the only chance this team has of winning a title. Ayton won't ever be consistent enough to be counted on. It's nearing the point of addition by subtraction with him. Time to cut our losses and move on. If we can get a role playing Center like Adams or Capela and another younger piece in need of a change of scenery that might thrive next to Booker and KD, then we need to do it.

 

[Phrazbit]

It's been trending down each season. He averaged 13 & 8 this year.

I saw a break down of how poorly we were using him. It was during the Clippers series, play after play of Ayton actually doing what we'd want, sealing out a smaller guy, right under the hoop, begging for the ball, but we were busy playing hot potato on the perimeter and settling for awful shots.

I think his numbers and engagement this year did have quite a bit to do with Monty essentially only using him to set screens and otherwise having no real role in the offense.

Hopefully that changes under Vogel.

 

[Sparky16]

Ayton is still an 18 point, 10 rebound player. The Suns shouldn't throw that away for role players.

With a +/- of -7