Should Ayton be Traded?

[95pro]

I disagree. Trading Ayton for role players, preferably at least one young role player, is the only chance this team has of winning a title. Ayton won't ever be consistent enough to be counted on. It's nearing the point of addition by subtraction with him. Time to cut our losses and move on. If we can get a role playing Center like Adams or Capela and another younger piece in need of a change of scenery that might thrive next to Booker and KD, then we need to do it.

I've seen you post more than once on Adams, he's unplayable in the playoffs. Capela, maybe if we can get a trade in our favor.

 

[Mainstreet]

I disagree. Trading Ayton for role players, preferably at least one young role player, is the only chance this team has of winning a title. Ayton won't ever be consistent enough to be counted on. It's nearing the point of addition by subtraction with him. Time to cut our losses and move on. If we can get a role playing Center like Adams or Capela and another younger piece in need of a change of scenery that might thrive next to Booker and KD, then we need to do it.

I look at the Suns roster with role players and it's not pretty. We saw it in game 6 against the playoff Nuggets.

We agree the Suns need is at least one young player in trade with the potential to be a PGOTF or a solid starter.

Otherwise, we are looking at the Suns window closing this coming season, if there ever was a window after the trade deadline.

I'd like to see the Suns getting some players in return who are not ancient in NBA years.

If Frank Vogel believes in developing young players, I think he does, let's stock the tail of the roster with young talent for the future.

I'd like to see Saban Lee on the Suns roster in some capacity. Other teams are finding young point guards on the rise.

 

[Hoop Head]

I look at the Suns roster with role players and it's not pretty. We saw it in game 6 against the playoff Nuggets.

We agree the Suns need is at least one young player in trade with the potential to be a PGOTF or a solid starter.

Otherwise, we are looking at the Suns window closing this coming season, if there ever was a window after the trade deadline.

I'd like to see the Suns getting some players in return who are not ancient in NBA years.

If Frank Vogel believes in developing young players, I think he does, let's stock the tail of the roster with young talent for the future.

I'd like to see Saban Lee on the Suns roster in some capacity. Other teams are finding young point guards on the rise.

You know we're talent starved when people hope the Suns retain Saban Lee. He's better than nothing and better than Ish. We really need to utilize our Two-Way contracts better this season. I'm hoping we hear something about acquiring a G-League affiliate sooner than later. Another season without isn't the end of the world but I'd hope we have a plan to have one by the 2024-25 season at the latest.

 

[Raindog]

You know we're talent starved when people hope the Suns retain Saban Lee. He's better than nothing and better than Ish. We really need to utilize our Two-Way contracts better this season. I'm hoping we hear something about acquiring a G-League affiliate sooner than later. Another season without isn't the end of the world but I'd hope we have a plan to have one by the 2024-25 season at the latest.

Agreed. And a lot of that has to be on Jones. I know the Suns were set back a lot by Sarver refusing to invest in scouting or player development. But Jones (so far) has seemed less than adept at identifying talent that could be developed.

 

[AzStevenCal]

You know we're talent starved when people hope the Suns retain Saban Lee. He's better than nothing and better than Ish. We really need to utilize our Two-Way contracts better this season. I'm hoping we hear something about acquiring a G-League affiliate sooner than later. Another season without isn't the end of the world but I'd hope we have a plan to have one by the 2024-25 season at the latest.

We didn't utilize our two way players well nor did we get much out of the bench players we brought in the past few years. Hopefully this year we'll learn who was at fault with that situation, the Head Coach or the GM.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Agreed. And a lot of that has to be on Jones. I know the Suns were set back a lot by Sarver refusing to invest in scouting or player development. But Jones (so far) has seemed less than adept at identifying talent that could be developed.

Maybe but did you see any reason to believe that Monty was going to play any of those guys anyway? It's possible that our bench weakness was all on JJ, and it's possible it's all on Monty. Unfortunately, we probably won't be that lucky and this year will show us that each of them deserved the blame. I hope that's not the case though as our short term future might well ride on JJ - and we have an awful lot riding on our short term future.

 

[Mainstreet]

You know we're talent starved when people hope the Suns retain Saban Lee. He's better than nothing and better than Ish. We really need to utilize our Two-Way contracts better this season. I'm hoping we hear something about acquiring a G-League affiliate sooner than later. Another season without isn't the end of the world but I'd hope we have a plan to have one by the 2024-25 season at the latest.

Exactly.

It's easy to see when the Suns only two active point guards in the playoffs were Chris Paul and Cam Payne. The injury issue was so glaringly obvious, even a casual observer had to see it.

Saban Lee would have been better than some of the players on the Suns active roster.

Yeah, I was hoping to hear the Suns had hired some additional scouts. It might take longer to get a G-League up and running. They should be scouting talent in every nook and cranny. Better believe the Heat have.

 

[Raindog]

Maybe but did you see any reason to believe that Monty was going to play any of those guys anyway? It's possible that our bench weakness was all on JJ, and it's possible it's all on Monty. Unfortunately, we probably won't be that lucky and this year will show us that each of them deserved the blame. I hope that's not the case though as our short term future might well ride on JJ - and we have an awful lot riding on our short term future.

I personally think it might be a six of one/half dozen of another kind of situation with how Monty and Jones handled the roster. I agree that Monty in all of his attendant stubbornness, refused to give younger/project type guys the minutes they needed to potentially develop.

But I also believe that Jones has seemed hung up on just bringing in a very specific type of low risk/low reward players... for whatever reason, I can only speculate. Maybe some of that was on both Sarver and Monty, trying to cater to the limitations of both of their requirements (Sarver being cheap, and Monty only liking players of a certain disposition).

As you say, we will likely learn more about Jones' capabilities next season.

 

[Hoop Head]

Maybe but did you see any reason to believe that Monty was going to play any of those guys anyway? It's possible that our bench weakness was all on JJ, and it's possible it's all on Monty. Unfortunately, we probably won't be that lucky and this year will show us that each of them deserved the blame. I hope that's not the case though as our short term future might well ride on JJ - and we have an awful lot riding on our short term future.

The reason I put more blame on JJ is his own philosophy of building a roster 5x3 and having 3 deep at each position. Can you name 3 PF's on our roster last season? How bout PG's? It goes back further than last season. Maybe Monty wouldn't have used them but JJ sat on his hands as the Crowder issue grew and I believe our first FA signing was Okogie. I get that we were in the hunt for KD but we missed out on a number of guys who could have helped more than Okogie, who was a shot in the dark.

 

[Carolinacacti]

You have to trade him at his max value. That might be right now. Taking up that much salary and not performing up to par is a detriment to the team. I was listening to Wolf the other day and he said he has played with guys like Ayton. He said it takes a toll in the locker room and on other guys.

Ayton sets some of the best picks in the league and never seems to get the ball. Works both ways.

 

[Sparky16]

Ayton sets some of the best picks in the league and never seems to get the ball. Works both ways.

Ayton is only the best at cashing checks, his screens are nothing special. He then proceeds to stand and watch from the arc as the play develops..... lazy and dont care

 

[Carolinacacti]

Ayton is only the best at cashing checks, his screens are nothing special. He then proceeds to stand and watch from the arc as the play develops..... lazy and dont care

Grass isn't always greener on the other side.

 

[CardNots]

Grass isn't always greener on the other side.

I always told my daughter by not going thru the door, you are removing the possibility of a better life

It might not work out but staying pat cheats yourself out of learning experiences which is the foundation one’s self

 

[Carolinacacti]

I always told my daughter to not go down a dark alley.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I always told my daughter to not go down a dark alley.

Yep. Look before you leap. Think before you act. Gather information then proceed. Measure twice before cutting. Making any old huge move simply because you might learn from a new situation is a bad call in life and in basketball. And that's not to suggest you let fear rule your life, but it's better than choosing ignorance as your guide.

 

[Dr dumas]

Ayton sets some of the best picks in the league and never seems to get the ball. Works both ways.

If he wants his team to give him the ball more, he should learn how to seal off his man. It sure did seem like his defender would reach around a poke the ball away 1-2 times a game.

 

[Mainstreet]

Reports are the trade market for Ayton is lean. It may be best to proceed with him, at least for now.

Suns Finding Deandre Ayton's Trade Market 'Lean', Preparing For Possibility He Stays

Suns Finding Deandre Aytons Trade Market Lean Preparing For Possibility He Stays - RealGM Wiretap

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[BirdGangThing]

Reports are the trade market for Ayton is lean. It may be best to proceed with him, at least for now.

Suns Finding Deandre Ayton's Trade Market 'Lean', Preparing For Possibility He Stays

Suns Finding Deandre Aytons Trade Market Lean Preparing For Possibility He Stays - RealGM Wiretap

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I wouldn't say the trade market is lean for Ayton

I'd say everybody watched the Suns in the playoffs the last couple years

I know yall don't like me saying this but we seriously might need to waive Ayton in the hopes someone else will pay him the money we owe him

Why pay $33 million a year for a vibe killing man child who literally disappears and refuses to play when it matters most?

We can do a lot better with that money in free agency and find player(s) who don't need heart transplants

You think Booker wants to go through that yet again? Two off seasons in a row now

 

[Mainstreet]

Maybe but did you see any reason to believe that Monty was going to play any of those guys anyway? It's possible that our bench weakness was all on JJ, and it's possible it's all on Monty. Unfortunately, we probably won't be that lucky and this year will show us that each of them deserved the blame. I hope that's not the case though as our short term future might well ride on JJ - and we have an awful lot riding on our short term future.

I will be surprised, James Jones lasts the season. A lot depends on how much his decisions were interlocked with Mat Ishbia.

Personally, I haven't agreed with Jones decision-making since the 2020 draft.

 

[Mainstreet]

I wouldn't say the trade market is lean for Ayton

I'd say everybody watched the Suns in the playoffs the last couple years

I know yall don't like me saying this but we seriously might need to waive Ayton in the hopes someone else will pay him the money we owe him

Why pay $33 million a year for a vibe killing man child who literally disappears and refuses to play when it matters most?

We can do a lot better with that money in free agency and find player(s) who don't need heart transplants

You think Booker wants to go through that yet again? Two off seasons in a row now

I want to see how Ayton performs under Frank Vogel before proceeding further.

IMO, waiving and stretching Chris Paul seems like the direction the Suns are headed unless they can find a trade.

Seriously, what did the Suns ownership and front office expect when the problems could be seen from miles away at the trade deadline last season.

It's like the Suns want to go on a shopping spree with no assets.

 

[Proximo]

I want to see how Ayton performs under Frank Vogel before proceeding further.

IMO, waiving and stretching Chris Paul seems like the direction the Suns are headed unless they can find a trade.

Seriously, what did the Suns ownership and front office expect when the problems could be seen from miles away at the trade deadline last season.

It's like the Suns want to go on a shopping spree with no assets.

Well for one they thought KD would have played like a superstar like he did in the Nets Millwaukee series.

If he had we would probably be the champs right now.

 

[Hoop Head]

I wouldn't say the trade market is lean for Ayton

I'd say everybody watched the Suns in the playoffs the last couple years

I know yall don't like me saying this but we seriously might need to waive Ayton in the hopes someone else will pay him the money we owe him

Why pay $33 million a year for a vibe killing man child who literally disappears and refuses to play when it matters most?

We can do a lot better with that money in free agency and find player(s) who don't need heart transplants

You think Booker wants to go through that yet again? Two off seasons in a row now

Suggesting we waive Ayton makes zero sense and is completely unprecedented. I don't know why you keep suggesting it. He sucks and has underperformed but waiving him would be idiotic because we'd still be paying him $35m a year for this year and the next 2. No team has the space to claim him off waivers. We'd be stuck eating that whole contract while we're paying the luxury tax. It doesn't create money to spend elsewhere, quite the opposite. You need to move on from that idea because it won't happen and nothing like it has ever happened.

 

[Mainstreet]

Well for one they thought KD would have played like a superstar like he did in the Nets Millwaukee series.

If he had we would probably be the champs right now.

There were at least a handful of posters, including myself, who couldn't help but see what a horrible trade this was for the Suns.

Even if Paul and Ayton stayed healthy, the Suns were only left with four starters and some minimum type players.

The Suns grossly overpaid for Durant and it will likely cost them for many years to come.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Suggesting we waive Ayton makes zero sense and is completely unprecedented. I don't know why you keep suggesting it. He sucks and has underperformed but waiving him would be idiotic because we'd still be paying him $35m a year for this year and the next 2. No team has the space to claim him off waivers. We'd be stuck eating that whole contract while we're paying the luxury tax. It doesn't create money to spend elsewhere, quite the opposite. You need to move on from that idea because it won't happen and nothing like it has ever happened.

No team is going to give up quality players AND pay $33 million a year for DeAndre Ayton. There's only 2 ways to get rid of DeAndre Ayton

1) let the contract run it's course and pay him $33 million dollars a year to sabotage any chance of us having any success in the playoffs

2) waive him and let some other schmuck pay him $33 million dollars a year to sabotage any chance of them having any success in the playoffs

Thing is... DeAndre Ayton is a bust... and everybody already knows it

 

[Mainstreet]

No team is going to give up quality players AND pay $33 million a year for DeAndre Ayton. There's only 2 ways to get rid of DeAndre Ayton

1) let the contract run it's course and pay him $33 million dollars a year to sabotage any chance of us having any success in the playoffs

2) waive him and let some other schmuck pay him $33 million dollars a year to sabotage any chance of them having any success in the playoffs

Thing is... DeAndre Ayton is a bust... and everybody already knows it

If the Suns waive Ayton and no team picks him up off waivers, the Suns are obligated to pay him his entire contract.