Should Dennis Green coach this team next year?

[Totally_Red]

Retain him

Is it a slam dunk? no.

negatives.

He screwed up the offensive line big time, and I do hold him responsible for the Oliver Ross fiasco. His free agent acquisition record was about 50-50 this offseason, that's not good enuf on a team lacking in talent.

Some of his assistant coach hirings are very questionable, especially special teams and offensive line.

There doesn't seem to be enough instant correction when players are undisciplined and make stupid mistakes. See the Swinton penalty on KOR return and Huff's unnecesssary roughness penalty. Even Capers immediately confronted one of his players when he got a stupid penalty. I don't care if it's an assistant or Green himself, but somebody needs to get in these guy's faces when they make a stupid mistake, so they don't repeat it.

Admit mistakes. There is a reason three teams have cut Reggie Swinton loose. He is a marginal player. We can't afford marginal players who don't give full effort.

Positives

He's a superb talent evaluator, who has had two solid drafts.

Players seem more willing to come to Arizona than under previous regimes, see Warner, Okeafor, Griffin.

It's hard to fully evaluate this season, given all the injuries to key performers, specially on the OL and DL.

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2006 is make or break for him. Another 4-5 win season and he'll have very few defenders including me. It's playoffs or out next season IMO.

 

[Osbern61]

I voted yes. But I had to think about it alot more than the last time the question was posed.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think these same guys calling for Green's head didn't like the hiring in the first place.

I know for a fact, that over the years, two of the diehards calling for Green's head, get an idea in their head and never, ever let go of it.

I'll readily admit I didn't want Green before we hired him and I still don't want him.

Not sure why yesterday's debacle cheesed me off as much as it did.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Got to give him one more year

 

[clif]

yes

 

[Rats]

I read in the St. louis Post Dispatch that there was a rumor from a "reliable source" that Green wants the Rams job and wants a buyout of his contract. I think that is a little far fetched but DG needs to want to see this thing thru and this next season is going to be the most important in Franchise history. I want someone that is completely commited to winning and not going thru the motions. Time for DG to nut up and get positions fixed that need to be fixed. The revenue will be there for next season so spend and get top lineman here that will help turn things around. Fix the interior lines and this team is a top team with the offense and defense they have. DG see the job thru and get this thing fixed.

 

[Pariah]

Green wants the Rams job

I have to admit, that would be a good fit for him.

 

[Pariah]

I'd wet myself if we fired Green and hired Gary Kubiak. As we speak I'm chanting "kubs, Kubs, KUBS, KUBS!"

 

[Shane]

When?

Name the time and I will determine if it compares to this situation.

How about the Bears?

2002 4 wins

2003 6 wins

Lovie Smiths first year

2004 5 wins

See a trend here?

Lovie Smith 2nd year

10 wins and counting!

Another comparable situation. They are also a terrible offensive team.

Coaching speaks volumes..

 

[Duckjake]

How about the Bears?

See a trend here?

Lovie Smith 2nd year

10 wins and counting!

Another comparable situation. They are also a terrible offensive team.

Coaching speaks volumes..

You mean like in Denver where they are 31-15 with Plummer at QB while the "better off without him" Cardinals are 14-32 for the same time period.

 

[Shane]

You mean like in Denver where they are 31-15 with Plummer at QB while the "better off without him" Cardinals are 14-32 for the same time period.

Yea Im waiting to here KofC or Lvcardfreak to give me a list of reason why that one is different too.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

I'd wet myself if we fired Green and hired Gary Kubiak. As we speak I'm chanting "kubs, Kubs, KUBS, KUBS!"

The problem with this thinking is if he is so willing and able to be a HC in the NFL why hasnt he been. 5-6 years ago everyone wanted him, I havent heard anything about him since.

Not saying he cant do that job but is he willing? Seems like he would ratherstay in Denver.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

You mean like in Denver where they are 31-15 with Plummer at QB while the "better off without him" Cardinals are 14-32 for the same time period.

Are you suggesting that the Cardinals would be 31-15 had we kept PLummer? This has been rehasehd a hundred times. He didnt work here, we gave him 5 years.

He himself admitted he didnt workout in the off seaosn or take it seriously, didnt watch film, or study defensive tendencies. Of course he is gonna be better in Denver.

Blame Mac and Tobin for not getting him to do those things. And I guarantee you one thing, you wont see a player for this AZ Cardinals team wasting their off season like so many others did.

 

[Russ Smith]

You mean like in Denver where they are 31-15 with Plummer at QB while the "better off without him" Cardinals are 14-32 for the same time period.

The same guy that said 3 weeks ago ANY NFL QB would put up similar numbers in this system, all I have to do is not screw up?

I'll give him this, he's improved a lot, and he's also considerably luckier now than he was in arizona. In arizona even some of his good throws went bad. In Denver he throws a ball in the redzone into a crowd of 3 defensive players, they tip it STRAIGHT up in the air, and Rod Smith outjumps the CB and it's a TD. In ARizona that ball is picked, but in Denver, it's a TD. Better to be lucky than good.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

The same guy that said 3 weeks ago ANY NFL QB would put up similar numbers in this system, all I have to do is not screw up?

I'll give him this, he's improved a lot, and he's also considerably luckier now than he was in arizona. In arizona even some of his good throws went bad. In Denver he throws a ball in the redzone into a crowd of 3 defensive players, they tip it STRAIGHT up in the air, and Rod Smith outjumps the CB and it's a TD. In ARizona that ball is picked, but in Denver, it's a TD. Better to be lucky than good.

Not just picked, but returned 109 yards for a TD too.

 

[JeffGollin]

Depends on who you'd replace him with.

If we were to for once and for all bring in a big time GM (like a Bill Polian) and he in turn brought in a really qualified head coach, then we'd have a chance to build a winning organization the way it needs to be built.

But if we're just replacing still another head coach so we can can continue the cycle of firing, hiring, rebuilding, firing, hiring, rebuilding...I think we'd risk less by giving Dennis another year to get things straightened out.

I do think, however, that when you "zero base" everything and consider the first day of the off season the first day in the rest of the life of the franchise - there are changes that will need to be made to improve the team. This includes changes in some of the assistants, roster changes and other seemingly trivial stuff that could conceivably filter all the way down to the head chef. Nothing should be off the table. ANYTHING that will improve the football team should be considered.

 

[gamebird98]

A Caveman Could Do A Better Job!

 

[Russ Smith]

A Caveman Could Do A Better Job!

Dude that is so condescending to cavemen.

Sorry, I love that commercial.

 

[Pariah]

The problem with this thinking is if he is so willing and able to be a HC in the NFL why hasnt he been. 5-6 years ago everyone wanted him, I havent heard anything about him since.

Not saying he cant do that job but is he willing? Seems like he would ratherstay in Denver.

I have no idea if that's what he wants. I'm simply telling you what I want.

There's no "problem with this thinking;" if I'm the Cardinals I'd make some exploratory phone calls--if he's interested in fielding them, okay, we go from there; if he isn't, okay, we move on.

 

[cardsfan22]

No other coach in cards history has had so much commitment from his players in the offseason. People are in better shape when they are getting to training camp.

We are getting players in Free agency that we would not have gotten in past years. Chike Okafer signed here for the same $ they were giving in Seattle

Atleast when people come in here for Visits, it does not seem they are just trying to drive the price up from other teams

He has not lost the players.

LD said last week, a couple of years ago, a lot of the people on this team packed it in when they were this bad. He said he has not seen one player on this team pack it in yet

We have lost i think 4 games by less then a touchdown this year, and with the slew of injuries We have had this year. We Manage to stay in alot of games. People on this board will have you think that does not matter. They have lost 3 of there front seven and dockett has been playing hurt all year. They lost their first round pick for 3/4 of the year. I will agree with him screwing up the o-line but i think that will be much improved next year. He drafts very well and thats something we have never done here.

If D-Green gets fired you can forget about free agents coming here and taking this team seriously. The players will not be working as hard in the offseason because they know it does not matter who is the coach because they dont have to take anything he says seriously

You have to let the players know who is in charge and free agents know that we have a plan and we know its going to work. You can't do this every 2 years people.

 

[joko4]

2 years is just not enough time. The odds of you finding someone better is very
low,especially when you only want a two year time table. Go back in your list of winning coaches you want and eliminate the ones that were not divisonal winners in two years or less. Now choose, or do you have anybody on that list?
Take some Ridlin and write back in a year.

 

[CardinalChris]

Who's his replacement. Let's not pull a Kendall here

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

I have no idea if that's what he wants. I'm simply telling you what I want.

There's no "problem with this thinking;" if I'm the Cardinals I'd make some exploratory phone calls--if he's interested in fielding them, okay, we go from there; if he isn't, okay, we move on.

And you do all this AFTER you have let your HC go? I mean thats the plan we have been used to in the past. The idea that "Someone will want to coach the AZ Cardinals" when in fact we end up with the likes of Tobin and Mac.

I would have no problem doing that if it is before we fire our HC, not after.

 

[Duckjake]

Are you suggesting that the Cardinals would be 31-15 had we kept PLummer? This has been rehasehd a hundred times. He didnt work here, we gave him 5 years.

He himself admitted he didnt workout in the off seaosn or take it seriously, didnt watch film, or study defensive tendencies. Of course he is gonna be better in Denver.

Blame Mac and Tobin for not getting him to do those things. And I guarantee you one thing, you wont see a player for this AZ Cardinals team wasting their off season like so many others did.

No I was suggesting that coaching speaks volumes.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

I think these same guys calling for Green's head didn't like the hiring in the first place.

I know for a fact, that over the years, two of the diehards calling for Green's head, get an idea in their head and never, ever let go of it.

I liked the hiring of Green. I now want his head on a stake after he runs the draft next April