Should Whiz be fired?

[Brian in Mesa]

Should Whiz be fired?

 

[clif]

Nope. No way do you let his ass off the hook that easy.

 

[Jay Cardinal]

Certainly do not fire Wisenhunt in the middle of the year. I think the Cards may be backed into a corner, forced to choose between Horton and Whiz at the end of the season.

 

[dogpoo32]

Yes, but I'm a big fan of change in general. And knee jerks.

 

[Dr. Jones]

In the offseason. I vote yes. The consistency of his teams and their quality of play over the last 3 to 4 years make me forget about his wonderful playoff and Super Bowl run.

Losing streaks like this are infectious. Fool us once.... I'll give him a pass. Fool us twice.... Ok, I see a trend. Now we are repeating it again for a third time??? They talk about not allowing that happen again, and it does. And this time it might be the worst yet. If we don't beat the Rams we might lose 12 straight.

Personnel decisions can be questioned ruthlessly (as gmabel pointed out in another thread) and worst of all, he has changed the other coaches on his staff (save for his butt buddy) and the overall results haven't improved. once Haley was gone, 3 D-coordinators, multiple positional coaches promoted from within, but the results have been consistent since the loss to the Saints in New Orleans.

 

[Rats]

Yes, at seasons end they should terminate him. He has had ample time to fix the offense. 3 years running losing 6+ in a row should get most coaches fired. I do not think they should fire him midseason. He deserves to finish the season. This team needs a new direction and focus. Whiz and his coaches have not got it done. The players Whiz brought here have not got it done. If he is kept, it will be more of the same.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I voted no but only because I couldn't find the "maybe" option. If he's been making most of the personnel decisions, he either needs to cede that control or be replaced.

Steve

 

[Buckybird]

1 more year, can Grimm & Miller

 

[O]

There should be another option.
If he doesn't agree to make wholesale changes on the offensive coaching staff, starting with Grimm and bringing in a qualified OC, he should be fired.
If he agrees to the changes he gets another year.

 

[LarryStalling]

I voted yes because he has never led an offense that was productive. Outside of Warner led years this offense has been repulsive and he is supposed to be an offensive coach.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I just don't know how he could get away with canning his staff again. Wasn't our O-Coordinator the scapegoat last year? And Bill Davis on Defense?

How bout the buck stopping with the guy on top of the mountain. Rod should go also.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I voted yes because he has never led an offense that was productive. Outside of Warner led years this offense has been repulsive and he is supposed to be an offensive coach.

Well, not really. I know what you mean but he is supposed to be a Head Coach. I don't see how you take away the Warner years and take away the defense from the guy. But, I agree the offense has been repulsive and he's at least partially responsible for this mess we're in. If I knew just how responsible he was I'd be a lot more confident in calling for his head.

Steve

 

[Duckjake]

No we have had far too many Head coaches in Arizona. If CKW gets fired the new guy will eventually run off Whisenhunt's guys and bring in his and we'll go through another 3-4 years of adjusting to the new system and new players and 5-11 until the Bidwills get impatient and the new guy gets canned and the process will start all over.

 

[Buckybird]

I voted yes because he has never led an offense that was productive. Outside of Warner led years this offense has been repulsive and he is supposed to be an offensive coach.

He did...during the Warner years, you just said it. Oh I forgot, Kurt did it all by himself

So youre saying Wiz couldn't run an offense if he had Brees, Manning, Brady or Rodgers as his QB?

 

[Buckybird]

No we have had far too many Head coaches in Arizona. If CKW gets fired the new guy will eventually run off Whisenhunt's guys and bring in his and we'll go through another 3-4 years of adjusting to the new system and new players and 5-11 until the Bidwills get impatient and the new guy gets canned and the process will start all over.

Thank you Duck!!! People don't get this

 

[az jam]

Fire Rod Graves and bring in a football guy to run the organization. Keep Whiz for 2013 and let the new GM decide on his future after 2013.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I'm getting really close. If he doesn't fire Grimm by the end of the year, my vote might be yes.

 

[Red Dawn]

No we have had far too many Head coaches in Arizona. If CKW gets fired the new guy will eventually run off Whisenhunt's guys and bring in his and we'll go through another 3-4 years of adjusting to the new system and new players and 5-11 until the Bidwills get impatient and the new guy gets canned and the process will start all over.

So we go 2 more years of 5 and 11 then CKW gets fired, then the new guy will eventually run off Whisenhunt's guys and bring in his and we'll go through another 3-4 years of adjusting to the new system and new players and 5-11 until the Bidwills get impatient and the new guy gets canned and the process will start all over.

 

[MrYeahBut]

I don't think he should be fired because he just can't be responsible for the entire organizational fail. Something's gotta give though.

 

[machgman]

If Whiz had not been so lucky to agonizingly and barely select Warner to start over Leinart, and Warner and Todd Haley had not ganged up on Whiz to bring in some innovative plays and offensive attacks, Whiz would be 25 games under .500 and fired long time ago.

Even now knowing what an excellent QB Warner turned out to be, Whiz and those kind of football guys would have given up and yanked them out of the lineup to forever stay on the bench until they were cut. Remember, Whiz is the head coach who was fooled by Max Hall and his book knowledge of the playbook and his great play in practices (just like he says Lindley is doing). These things only show that Whiz is clueless about how to develop and bring along QBs as well as manage a football team into winning. His barely under .500 record is an illusion courtesy of heroics by Warner, Q, A-Dub, and Fitz.

 

[Dayman]

I'm leaning toward yes. Ideally I'd like to keep him around with a new OC, a new offensive line coach and and a different offensive philosophy, but nothing I know about Whis makes me think he would be that amenable to change.

These long losing streaks are simply unacceptable. It's not just the QB situation, either. This is the first time the Cards have lost six in a row in three consecutive seasons since the late '50s. Think of how many horrible QBs we've seen since then. I mean, the Cards had their punter start at QB for 13 games in the late '80s/early '90s, and we still didn't see this kind of prolonged losing. Not to mention we haven't been in true playoff contention beyond November in the past three years. Most teams don't stand for that kind of futility.

To be fair, I don't blame all of Whis' problems on Whis himself. It seems the organization gave him too much power, and that power appears to be leading him to self-destruction.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

There should be another option.
If he doesn't agree to make wholesale changes on the offensive coaching staff, starting with Grimm and bringing in a qualified OC, he should be fired.
If he agrees to the changes he gets another year.

This.

 

[Catfish]

I don't think he should be fired because he just can't be responsible for the entire organizational fail. Something's gotta give though.

I see-----I believe you are correct about not being responsible for the ENTIRE organizational fail. He IS responsible, (almost entirely), for our QB dilemma, the offensive line's lack of improvement from the day he took over, and the play calling and offensive scheme. He also had final say on the draft boards, and much influence on who we brought in during free agency. The coaching staff now is entirely his selections. I believe that is enough influence to be at least given some ultimatums, if not actually fired.

 

[Cheesebeef]

if we lose out, then yes. It's time for regime change, if for no other reason than this team can't possibly afford to whiff on a top five pick and the draft that comes after it, not to mention, he'd be going into next season as a lame-duck coach with likely the same team coming back seeing as there aren't many options in FA or the draft at QB.

Three years with 6 game losing streaks, a year three that ends with a 12 game losing streak says one thing to me... things are going the WRONG way.

if we lose 11 of our last 12, I say can his ass as well.

 

[Stout]

After the season, without a doubt. Three seasons in a row with a 6-game losing street. Three seasons. In a row. No other team would stick with a guy that does that.